And if I were to compare a weeks groceries and bills for the average American, would you have the same costs as them?
Can you travel around without a car? A lot of Americans can’t, while living in so called “food deserts”. This is an area of high population but little to no cheap nutritious food anywhere. All you can get is overpriced delivery or hop on down to some gas station for a bag of extremely unhealthy fatty snacks and a drink which is 30% sugar.
Imagine thinking that you can live in a first world country while paying as much as living in the developing world.
You’re falling for a common tactic of the people oppressing both you and the poor in America, making them fight against each other instead of the ones actually causing it. If a homeless person makes more than people in your country by begging, them making less or straight up dying does nothing to help your country either.
The rich profiting from both those under hard times in America while at the same time raping your country, those are the ones who deserve your ire.
I have and it’s fucking easy, because deserts are nature and in nature you can just pick shit you need. You can’t do that in a food desert, because some overly enthusiastic wannabe fascist will boot you down for shoplifting and throw you to jail for some forced labour so the US economy doesn’t fall.
I didn’t design their economy nor do I live in it. I’m very capable of surviving in the wild where I live. I just don’t need to. I would much rather do that. And build my own house. Unfortunately we have something called “building regulations” so I’m not allowed to construct weird stick-tents like you, so you know, I’ll actually have to pay a person for the materials.
According to the USDA’s most recent report on food access, as of 2017, approximately 39.5 million people - 12.9% of the US population - lived in low-income and low food access
As a result, people of low Socio economic status (SES) ultimately spend up to 37% more on their food purchases.[33]
a study on urban food environments, participants described the lack of supermarkets as a “practical impediment to healthful food purchase and a symbol of their neighborhoods’ social and economic struggles”.[41]
Health outcomes
edit
There are diet and health implications for those who live in areas where nutritious food is not readily available; some claims, such as linking food deserts with obesity in children, are disputed.[21][22][42]
A summary report by The Colorado Health Foundation concluded that individuals with access to supermarkets tend to have healthier diets and a lower risk of chronic disease such as diabetes.[43] Food deserts are correlated with many poor health outcomes. Other studies find a link between better access to supermarkets and lowered risk of obesity. As well, better access to convenience stores is associated with a higher risk of obesity.[17]
It’s not my fault you don’t have basic education, ese
Why would you assume I assume only Mexicans use it?
You’re speaking English, but probably because you know we have that language in common.
You don’t even know my skin colour. I can tell you that my hair and skin is such that is sometimes has caused people to ask me where I’ve emigrated from. When my name is essentially the Finnish equivalent of Jack Johnson or the like.
Voin mäki ruveta omalla kiellellä perseilee mut en ymmärrä et miten luulet et se auttaa mitää?
So now you’re just cursing Trump? While he’s definitely one cuntry motherfucker who deserves to go, the food desert issue wasn’t created by him. More like the same ridiculous systems came up with both food deserts and a Trump presidency.
But food deserts still definitely are a thing in NA.
And public transport is considered when talking about food deserts.
That’s why I here in Finland definitely don’t live in one as there’s practically 247 buses going to hypermarkets that are 247. And that transport is made incredibly easily available to me, you can get support for a bus ticket from the government. Which again is why I’m not counted as having a hard time to access supermarkets.
But if there’s some ghetto where you first have to walk a kilometre or two to even get on the public transport route, then you have to pay for 5 dollars a way and it only goes there and back every four hours. What is say, a single mother to do in a situation like that? (Here they would be allowed on the bus for free btw, anyone with a children’s carriage is.)
I live in a city with literally one of the best public transports in the world. (#1 in BEST study 2024) So I, personally don’t live in a food desert. Does that make me think they don’t exist? No, because I’m capable of reading and empathy.
So your faucets (or if you insist, or you live in flint, gas stations) don’t have water? Like in you own argument you are showing all the outrageously wrong choices you make…
People who grow up in food deserts end up with very poor eating choices, yeah.
And unlike me, a lot of Americans apparently can’t even drink their tap water, and more or less have to buy bottled drinks. If the only ones available then are bad ones, you’ll get used to them as well.
All that aside, I just don’t think you understand how expensive it is to live in a first world country. And it’s not like people can just choose to emigrate or move wherever they want, nah, that’s the privilege of cheaper countries or actually wealthy people in the first world.
People who were 10 years older than me got their first apartment loans with like 5k downpayment and as long as they had a steady job. That would be easy mode yeah. But that’s not exactly how the housing market is.
What would you even know, probably live in family owned houses that are on land your family has owned for at least 50 years or smth and which you will inherit. Easymode. And there isn’t much you can’t upgrade to nowadays even in developing countries as to upgrade your home to a first world level easily, even if you’re going full off the grid. Especially in sunnier countries.
Not only I live in a first world country, I emigrated my ass twice. I think people are lazy and look for excuses for their bad decisions (like buying a drink with 30% sugar when water is available two steps away).
So you don’t think food deserts in the US are a real thing? Notice how I’m not American. So how is anyone “excusing their behaviour”? That would mean that either I’d be explaining something about my own life or that I’d be one of those people in the food deserts.
Neither is happening.
Probably easy yo emigrate after you got to save up money on easy mode in some developing country where you can still make bank depending on where you work (but on the internet you can work in first world countries without leaving your home), save up and then set yourself up for success.
It’s easy if someone gives you the resources to actually utilise the best options.
But the best options are usually the most expensive ones. Like buying a bus ticket for a year. No problem for someone even a tad wealthier, but someone who’s paying rent and living from paycheck to paycheck…?
Nah.
Basically you’re one of those people who think poverty is completely avoidable as long as you try hard enough.
The libertarian clows who I’ve heard that from always seem to fail to explain why young Asian girls don’t rule the world since it’s just about working hard.
So you missed the parts where I ask if you doubt the food desert thing being an actual thing, the part where I point out how I’m not excusing anything by talking about food deserts in a country I don’t even live in.
According to the USDA’s most recent report on food access, as of 2017, approximately 39.5 million people - 12.9% of the US population - lived in low-income and low food access
You’re essentially blaming at least 40 or so million people to just be making bad choices. As if they could choose to live in crippling poverty under capitalism, and just make the wrong choice?
Just because you had the room and resources to make sources, doesn’t mean people can suddenly do whatever themselves. Do you know what you don’t need to consider when you’ve decided to leave a country for good, especially when your escaping illegally? Well you get to pretty magically skip all the bureaucracy which would’ve worn you down before putting you in a low income low supermarket access and just wearing you down over years.
But no yeah tell me again how Asian teenage girls are our overlords, because “hard work makes you rich”?
People like me just fine, my work is in fact based on it. I don’t bullshit anyone tho, if someone fucks up I tell it like I see it. The customers I work with appreciate the lack of sugarcoating. Like choosing buying sugar water and complaining about access to healthy nutrition later.
So again, just straight up denying / ignoring the issues? No-one should ever bring any problem to the notice of others?
What sort of a sad world did your live in where the concept of people’s helping each other is so alien to you?
Once again, I don’t live in the US. I don’t suffer fro food deserts. But they definitely are a thing. You’re just pretending like everyone really has a choice. I’m trying to point out they don’t. With facts. Which you just choose to ignore.
Yeah, it’s easy making it in this world if you’re a obsessively selfish person who never considers others or what is good and what isn’t. Ludicrously easy.
But I like to challenge myself, so I’m doing this run with morals enabled.
I hope you understand that 37% more expensive groceries really does affect a person and their resources.
Simplify it a bit mire, yeah, I know it’s the only way you can even remotely attack the argument. By simplifying it to the point that you can just pretend it’s about bad personal choices. Well, you see, that’s what the kids call “a strawman”.
So by you own admission there is literally no downside to grab a water and you still choose the unhealthy option. And the same logic is probably applied everywhere.
You dont get it Do you? If you have no money cant buy good food you have to buy stuff that makes Life better… And suggar gives the Illusion that Life is better… You Sound very Privileged… But ive seen you ignore facts so i assume you wont see the side of people with Low income where you can not buy healthy food
Also not just do we need to account for the psychology, which he isn’t doing, but also, a lot of the times soft drinks in multipacks can actually be cheaper than bottled water. Not often, but I’ve definitely seen it even in Finland (and our tap water is great) where a bottle of water would be around 1e but some offer makes it so that you can buy a sixpack of coke cans for 3e, making it cheaper by volume.
I’m not saying the prices should be the determining factor, but I think most of us know that for anyone who even knows what “paycheck to paycheck” means, it too often is the most crucial factor in determining purchases.
Which water is 1€, Fiji? Buy supermarket brand water for 0.25€ for a 1.5L, or drink tap water. 6 cans of coke for 3 euros is 1.5€ per liter. Your math isn’t mathing. On top of everything, if you really want coke, bottles are always cheaper than cans.
A food desert is an area that has limited access to fresh food.[2][3][4] A food desert typically lacks the presence of a grocer and instead supplements it with convenience stores or fast food
Do you have trouble understanding the words? I can translate if you tell me your native language. Clearly it’s not English.
And if I were to compare a weeks groceries and bills for the average American, would you have the same costs as them?
Can you travel around without a car? A lot of Americans can’t, while living in so called “food deserts”. This is an area of high population but little to no cheap nutritious food anywhere. All you can get is overpriced delivery or hop on down to some gas station for a bag of extremely unhealthy fatty snacks and a drink which is 30% sugar.
Imagine thinking that you can live in a first world country while paying as much as living in the developing world.
Food desert?
You first worlders invent fancy words for everything. Try living in a real desert for once, you privileged gringo.
You’re falling for a common tactic of the people oppressing both you and the poor in America, making them fight against each other instead of the ones actually causing it. If a homeless person makes more than people in your country by begging, them making less or straight up dying does nothing to help your country either.
The rich profiting from both those under hard times in America while at the same time raping your country, those are the ones who deserve your ire.
I have and it’s fucking easy, because deserts are nature and in nature you can just pick shit you need. You can’t do that in a food desert, because some overly enthusiastic wannabe fascist will boot you down for shoplifting and throw you to jail for some forced labour so the US economy doesn’t fall.
I didn’t design their economy nor do I live in it. I’m very capable of surviving in the wild where I live. I just don’t need to. I would much rather do that. And build my own house. Unfortunately we have something called “building regulations” so I’m not allowed to construct weird stick-tents like you, so you know, I’ll actually have to pay a person for the materials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_deserts_in_the_United_States
And if you’re using terms like “privileged gringo” you’re probably from the Southside of the US southern border.
Meaning you’re likely Mexican (or not, but it’s not a bad likelihood). But you don’t acknowledge this as an issue?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_deserts_by_country#North_America
As a result, people of low Socio economic status (SES) ultimately spend up to 37% more on their food purchases.[33]
a study on urban food environments, participants described the lack of supermarkets as a “practical impediment to healthful food purchase and a symbol of their neighborhoods’ social and economic struggles”.[41] Health outcomes edit
There are diet and health implications for those who live in areas where nutritious food is not readily available; some claims, such as linking food deserts with obesity in children, are disputed.[21][22][42]
A summary report by The Colorado Health Foundation concluded that individuals with access to supermarkets tend to have healthier diets and a lower risk of chronic disease such as diabetes.[43] Food deserts are correlated with many poor health outcomes. Other studies find a link between better access to supermarkets and lowered risk of obesity. As well, better access to convenience stores is associated with a higher risk of obesity.[17]
It’s not my fault you don’t have basic education, ese
Assuming only Mexicans use the insult gringo is racist af.
But what can we expect from a orsnge skinned uneducated blob from freedom burger eagle shooter land
Why would you assume I assume only Mexicans use it?
You’re speaking English, but probably because you know we have that language in common.
You don’t even know my skin colour. I can tell you that my hair and skin is such that is sometimes has caused people to ask me where I’ve emigrated from. When my name is essentially the Finnish equivalent of Jack Johnson or the like.
Voin mäki ruveta omalla kiellellä perseilee mut en ymmärrä et miten luulet et se auttaa mitää?
So now you’re just cursing Trump? While he’s definitely one cuntry motherfucker who deserves to go, the food desert issue wasn’t created by him. More like the same ridiculous systems came up with both food deserts and a Trump presidency.
But food deserts still definitely are a thing in NA.
There is something called public transportation. Even savage third world countries have them, as bad as they are, but they work
And public transport is considered when talking about food deserts.
That’s why I here in Finland definitely don’t live in one as there’s practically 247 buses going to hypermarkets that are 247. And that transport is made incredibly easily available to me, you can get support for a bus ticket from the government. Which again is why I’m not counted as having a hard time to access supermarkets.
But if there’s some ghetto where you first have to walk a kilometre or two to even get on the public transport route, then you have to pay for 5 dollars a way and it only goes there and back every four hours. What is say, a single mother to do in a situation like that? (Here they would be allowed on the bus for free btw, anyone with a children’s carriage is.)
I live in a city with literally one of the best public transports in the world. (#1 in BEST study 2024) So I, personally don’t live in a food desert. Does that make me think they don’t exist? No, because I’m capable of reading and empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_deserts_in_the_United_States
So your faucets (or if you insist, or you live in flint, gas stations) don’t have water? Like in you own argument you are showing all the outrageously wrong choices you make…
People who grow up in food deserts end up with very poor eating choices, yeah.
And unlike me, a lot of Americans apparently can’t even drink their tap water, and more or less have to buy bottled drinks. If the only ones available then are bad ones, you’ll get used to them as well.
All that aside, I just don’t think you understand how expensive it is to live in a first world country. And it’s not like people can just choose to emigrate or move wherever they want, nah, that’s the privilege of cheaper countries or actually wealthy people in the first world.
People who were 10 years older than me got their first apartment loans with like 5k downpayment and as long as they had a steady job. That would be easy mode yeah. But that’s not exactly how the housing market is.
What would you even know, probably live in family owned houses that are on land your family has owned for at least 50 years or smth and which you will inherit. Easymode. And there isn’t much you can’t upgrade to nowadays even in developing countries as to upgrade your home to a first world level easily, even if you’re going full off the grid. Especially in sunnier countries.
Not only I live in a first world country, I emigrated my ass twice. I think people are lazy and look for excuses for their bad decisions (like buying a drink with 30% sugar when water is available two steps away).
So you don’t think food deserts in the US are a real thing? Notice how I’m not American. So how is anyone “excusing their behaviour”? That would mean that either I’d be explaining something about my own life or that I’d be one of those people in the food deserts.
Neither is happening.
Probably easy yo emigrate after you got to save up money on easy mode in some developing country where you can still make bank depending on where you work (but on the internet you can work in first world countries without leaving your home), save up and then set yourself up for success.
It’s easy if someone gives you the resources to actually utilise the best options.
But the best options are usually the most expensive ones. Like buying a bus ticket for a year. No problem for someone even a tad wealthier, but someone who’s paying rent and living from paycheck to paycheck…?
Nah.
Basically you’re one of those people who think poverty is completely avoidable as long as you try hard enough.
The libertarian clows who I’ve heard that from always seem to fail to explain why young Asian girls don’t rule the world since it’s just about working hard.
First time I emigrated was from a communist country where emigrating was illegal, and food was rationed. So tell me more about this easy mode.
So you missed the parts where I ask if you doubt the food desert thing being an actual thing, the part where I point out how I’m not excusing anything by talking about food deserts in a country I don’t even live in.
And you want to make it a dick measuring contest.
This is why people don’t like you, I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_deserts_in_the_United_States
You’re essentially blaming at least 40 or so million people to just be making bad choices. As if they could choose to live in crippling poverty under capitalism, and just make the wrong choice?
Just because you had the room and resources to make sources, doesn’t mean people can suddenly do whatever themselves. Do you know what you don’t need to consider when you’ve decided to leave a country for good, especially when your escaping illegally? Well you get to pretty magically skip all the bureaucracy which would’ve worn you down before putting you in a low income low supermarket access and just wearing you down over years.
But no yeah tell me again how Asian teenage girls are our overlords, because “hard work makes you rich”?
People like me just fine, my work is in fact based on it. I don’t bullshit anyone tho, if someone fucks up I tell it like I see it. The customers I work with appreciate the lack of sugarcoating. Like choosing buying sugar water and complaining about access to healthy nutrition later.
So again, just straight up denying / ignoring the issues? No-one should ever bring any problem to the notice of others?
What sort of a sad world did your live in where the concept of people’s helping each other is so alien to you?
Once again, I don’t live in the US. I don’t suffer fro food deserts. But they definitely are a thing. You’re just pretending like everyone really has a choice. I’m trying to point out they don’t. With facts. Which you just choose to ignore.
Yeah, it’s easy making it in this world if you’re a obsessively selfish person who never considers others or what is good and what isn’t. Ludicrously easy.
But I like to challenge myself, so I’m doing this run with morals enabled.
I hope you understand that 37% more expensive groceries really does affect a person and their resources.
Simplify it a bit mire, yeah, I know it’s the only way you can even remotely attack the argument. By simplifying it to the point that you can just pretend it’s about bad personal choices. Well, you see, that’s what the kids call “a strawman”.
Working hard does not work, you have to work smart, use the same cheats the crapitalists do. Never work hard, it’s worthless
Water in bottles in America is often as expensive as soft drinks. And Yeah many places the Water is not good to Drink from the faucet…
So by you own admission there is literally no downside to grab a water and you still choose the unhealthy option. And the same logic is probably applied everywhere.
You dont get it Do you? If you have no money cant buy good food you have to buy stuff that makes Life better… And suggar gives the Illusion that Life is better… You Sound very Privileged… But ive seen you ignore facts so i assume you wont see the side of people with Low income where you can not buy healthy food
Also not just do we need to account for the psychology, which he isn’t doing, but also, a lot of the times soft drinks in multipacks can actually be cheaper than bottled water. Not often, but I’ve definitely seen it even in Finland (and our tap water is great) where a bottle of water would be around 1e but some offer makes it so that you can buy a sixpack of coke cans for 3e, making it cheaper by volume.
I’m not saying the prices should be the determining factor, but I think most of us know that for anyone who even knows what “paycheck to paycheck” means, it too often is the most crucial factor in determining purchases.
Which water is 1€, Fiji? Buy supermarket brand water for 0.25€ for a 1.5L, or drink tap water. 6 cans of coke for 3 euros is 1.5€ per liter. Your math isn’t mathing. On top of everything, if you really want coke, bottles are always cheaper than cans.
I was poor longer than half my life. If I used my money to buy sugar drinks, I didn’t blame my lack of money for my bad nutrition.
You are a stubborn idiot.
Why do you pretend food deserts don’t exist, when they every clearly do?
Is it that much of a hit to your childish ego? Kinda pitiful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Do you have trouble understanding the words? I can translate if you tell me your native language. Clearly it’s not English.