Not only I live in a first world country, I emigrated my ass twice. I think people are lazy and look for excuses for their bad decisions (like buying a drink with 30% sugar when water is available two steps away).
So you don’t think food deserts in the US are a real thing? Notice how I’m not American. So how is anyone “excusing their behaviour”? That would mean that either I’d be explaining something about my own life or that I’d be one of those people in the food deserts.
Neither is happening.
Probably easy yo emigrate after you got to save up money on easy mode in some developing country where you can still make bank depending on where you work (but on the internet you can work in first world countries without leaving your home), save up and then set yourself up for success.
It’s easy if someone gives you the resources to actually utilise the best options.
But the best options are usually the most expensive ones. Like buying a bus ticket for a year. No problem for someone even a tad wealthier, but someone who’s paying rent and living from paycheck to paycheck…?
Nah.
Basically you’re one of those people who think poverty is completely avoidable as long as you try hard enough.
The libertarian clows who I’ve heard that from always seem to fail to explain why young Asian girls don’t rule the world since it’s just about working hard.
So you missed the parts where I ask if you doubt the food desert thing being an actual thing, the part where I point out how I’m not excusing anything by talking about food deserts in a country I don’t even live in.
According to the USDA’s most recent report on food access, as of 2017, approximately 39.5 million people - 12.9% of the US population - lived in low-income and low food access
You’re essentially blaming at least 40 or so million people to just be making bad choices. As if they could choose to live in crippling poverty under capitalism, and just make the wrong choice?
Just because you had the room and resources to make sources, doesn’t mean people can suddenly do whatever themselves. Do you know what you don’t need to consider when you’ve decided to leave a country for good, especially when your escaping illegally? Well you get to pretty magically skip all the bureaucracy which would’ve worn you down before putting you in a low income low supermarket access and just wearing you down over years.
But no yeah tell me again how Asian teenage girls are our overlords, because “hard work makes you rich”?
People like me just fine, my work is in fact based on it. I don’t bullshit anyone tho, if someone fucks up I tell it like I see it. The customers I work with appreciate the lack of sugarcoating. Like choosing buying sugar water and complaining about access to healthy nutrition later.
So again, just straight up denying / ignoring the issues? No-one should ever bring any problem to the notice of others?
What sort of a sad world did your live in where the concept of people’s helping each other is so alien to you?
Once again, I don’t live in the US. I don’t suffer fro food deserts. But they definitely are a thing. You’re just pretending like everyone really has a choice. I’m trying to point out they don’t. With facts. Which you just choose to ignore.
Yeah, it’s easy making it in this world if you’re a obsessively selfish person who never considers others or what is good and what isn’t. Ludicrously easy.
But I like to challenge myself, so I’m doing this run with morals enabled.
I hope you understand that 37% more expensive groceries really does affect a person and their resources.
Simplify it a bit mire, yeah, I know it’s the only way you can even remotely attack the argument. By simplifying it to the point that you can just pretend it’s about bad personal choices. Well, you see, that’s what the kids call “a strawman”.
I think I need to find the meme with the bike, bros out here putting a bar in the wheel by buying drinks with 30% sugar content instead of water, then whining about health when they fall on the ground.
And then justifying it by coming up with 7 unrelated topics and talking about morals and what not.
Oh still playing the “nuh-uh, when I pretend something doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist”.
For the umpteenth time, who’s excusing their own behaviour? Because I’m talking about American food deserts, and I’ve never been outside Europe.
Almost as if you’re pathologically trying to avoid talking about a thing, because you know what a moron you made of yourself by arguing against it, so now you have to pretend it doesn’t exist.
The only “argument” you have is that the only reason for the existence of food deserts is bad diet choices, completely ignoring any reality about the subject. The reality is that people don’t have access to supermarkets, and have to go into some random ass kiosks for their “groceries” and with the way the economy is set up, that person won’t find anything nutritious or even non-sugar there. They’ll find Coke and Doritos and sweets, everything non-perishable that’s easy for a place like that to sell.
Those places will rather sell Coke than plain water, because Coke makes more money and we live in capitalism.
But no yeah, let’s all live in your laa-laa land where you get to choose the problem you have.
So by you own admission there is literally no downside to grab a water and you still choose the unhealthy option. And the same logic is probably applied everywhere.
You dont get it Do you? If you have no money cant buy good food you have to buy stuff that makes Life better… And suggar gives the Illusion that Life is better… You Sound very Privileged… But ive seen you ignore facts so i assume you wont see the side of people with Low income where you can not buy healthy food
Also not just do we need to account for the psychology, which he isn’t doing, but also, a lot of the times soft drinks in multipacks can actually be cheaper than bottled water. Not often, but I’ve definitely seen it even in Finland (and our tap water is great) where a bottle of water would be around 1e but some offer makes it so that you can buy a sixpack of coke cans for 3e, making it cheaper by volume.
I’m not saying the prices should be the determining factor, but I think most of us know that for anyone who even knows what “paycheck to paycheck” means, it too often is the most crucial factor in determining purchases.
Which water is 1€, Fiji? Buy supermarket brand water for 0.25€ for a 1.5L, or drink tap water. 6 cans of coke for 3 euros is 1.5€ per liter. Your math isn’t mathing. On top of everything, if you really want coke, bottles are always cheaper than cans.
Like people have been saying, you’re vastly underestimating the costs.
Edit oh and bottles aren’t always cheaper than cans, what on Earth gives you that idea? Cans have a 0.15 deposit here, 0.5l bottles 0.20e and large bottles 0.4e. Yeah, usually you can get the market brand largest coke bottle for less than you pay for a sixpack of brand coke, but a lot of the times it’s on sale for 3e a sixpack, meaning it’s sometimes cheaper than the non-brand cokes. I don’t drink that much coke, but there’s more value in deposits in a sixpack of cans (0.15 * 6 = 90 cnt as opposed to 40 cents from the 1.5-2l bottle) and it doesn’t lose the co2 as fast due to being in separate canisters
Nope, that’s not how you spell “oh look, I am actually rather stupid for having such arrogance with zero knowledge and arguments”.
So you refused to believe a bottle of water is 1€. I proved you wrong. You thought you’d get a bottle with 25 cents, thinking water costs 5 cents above the 20 cnt deposit.
Just like you have been this entire thread (which is why everyone is downvoting you), you’re just acting like a kid who’s ashamed he did something silly and wants to pretend he didn’t.
You keep saying wrong things. I haven’t. I keep proving how the things I say are true. Which you keep ignoring, because you don’t want to be proved wrong.
Admit you were wrong. Admit that generic store brand flat water is 1€ for 0.5l in my closest store. (They don’t even have the gallon+ jug most of the time if you actually needed water.)
But like, for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN IN THE USA. Your reading is so bad that I have no problem believing you grew up in a shitty communist country, lol.
A food desert is an area that has limited access to fresh food.[2][3][4] A food desert typically lacks the presence of a grocer and instead supplements it with convenience stores or fast food
Do you have trouble understanding the words? I can translate if you tell me your native language. Clearly it’s not English.
Never claimed that, just said that if you buy sugar drinks instead of water, don’t blame your lack of nutrition or health on being poor, food deserts, George Soros, space lasers or the military industrial complex.
Not only I live in a first world country, I emigrated my ass twice. I think people are lazy and look for excuses for their bad decisions (like buying a drink with 30% sugar when water is available two steps away).
So you don’t think food deserts in the US are a real thing? Notice how I’m not American. So how is anyone “excusing their behaviour”? That would mean that either I’d be explaining something about my own life or that I’d be one of those people in the food deserts.
Neither is happening.
Probably easy yo emigrate after you got to save up money on easy mode in some developing country where you can still make bank depending on where you work (but on the internet you can work in first world countries without leaving your home), save up and then set yourself up for success.
It’s easy if someone gives you the resources to actually utilise the best options.
But the best options are usually the most expensive ones. Like buying a bus ticket for a year. No problem for someone even a tad wealthier, but someone who’s paying rent and living from paycheck to paycheck…?
Nah.
Basically you’re one of those people who think poverty is completely avoidable as long as you try hard enough.
The libertarian clows who I’ve heard that from always seem to fail to explain why young Asian girls don’t rule the world since it’s just about working hard.
First time I emigrated was from a communist country where emigrating was illegal, and food was rationed. So tell me more about this easy mode.
So you missed the parts where I ask if you doubt the food desert thing being an actual thing, the part where I point out how I’m not excusing anything by talking about food deserts in a country I don’t even live in.
And you want to make it a dick measuring contest.
This is why people don’t like you, I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_deserts_in_the_United_States
You’re essentially blaming at least 40 or so million people to just be making bad choices. As if they could choose to live in crippling poverty under capitalism, and just make the wrong choice?
Just because you had the room and resources to make sources, doesn’t mean people can suddenly do whatever themselves. Do you know what you don’t need to consider when you’ve decided to leave a country for good, especially when your escaping illegally? Well you get to pretty magically skip all the bureaucracy which would’ve worn you down before putting you in a low income low supermarket access and just wearing you down over years.
But no yeah tell me again how Asian teenage girls are our overlords, because “hard work makes you rich”?
People like me just fine, my work is in fact based on it. I don’t bullshit anyone tho, if someone fucks up I tell it like I see it. The customers I work with appreciate the lack of sugarcoating. Like choosing buying sugar water and complaining about access to healthy nutrition later.
So again, just straight up denying / ignoring the issues? No-one should ever bring any problem to the notice of others?
What sort of a sad world did your live in where the concept of people’s helping each other is so alien to you?
Once again, I don’t live in the US. I don’t suffer fro food deserts. But they definitely are a thing. You’re just pretending like everyone really has a choice. I’m trying to point out they don’t. With facts. Which you just choose to ignore.
Yeah, it’s easy making it in this world if you’re a obsessively selfish person who never considers others or what is good and what isn’t. Ludicrously easy.
But I like to challenge myself, so I’m doing this run with morals enabled.
I hope you understand that 37% more expensive groceries really does affect a person and their resources.
Simplify it a bit mire, yeah, I know it’s the only way you can even remotely attack the argument. By simplifying it to the point that you can just pretend it’s about bad personal choices. Well, you see, that’s what the kids call “a strawman”.
I think I need to find the meme with the bike, bros out here putting a bar in the wheel by buying drinks with 30% sugar content instead of water, then whining about health when they fall on the ground.
And then justifying it by coming up with 7 unrelated topics and talking about morals and what not.
Oh still playing the “nuh-uh, when I pretend something doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist”.
For the umpteenth time, who’s excusing their own behaviour? Because I’m talking about American food deserts, and I’ve never been outside Europe.
Almost as if you’re pathologically trying to avoid talking about a thing, because you know what a moron you made of yourself by arguing against it, so now you have to pretend it doesn’t exist.
The only “argument” you have is that the only reason for the existence of food deserts is bad diet choices, completely ignoring any reality about the subject. The reality is that people don’t have access to supermarkets, and have to go into some random ass kiosks for their “groceries” and with the way the economy is set up, that person won’t find anything nutritious or even non-sugar there. They’ll find Coke and Doritos and sweets, everything non-perishable that’s easy for a place like that to sell.
Those places will rather sell Coke than plain water, because Coke makes more money and we live in capitalism.
But no yeah, let’s all live in your laa-laa land where you get to choose the problem you have.
Pic related, it’s you
Nice essay, but the answer is just “you”, about 7 comments above.
Working hard does not work, you have to work smart, use the same cheats the crapitalists do. Never work hard, it’s worthless
Water in bottles in America is often as expensive as soft drinks. And Yeah many places the Water is not good to Drink from the faucet…
So by you own admission there is literally no downside to grab a water and you still choose the unhealthy option. And the same logic is probably applied everywhere.
You dont get it Do you? If you have no money cant buy good food you have to buy stuff that makes Life better… And suggar gives the Illusion that Life is better… You Sound very Privileged… But ive seen you ignore facts so i assume you wont see the side of people with Low income where you can not buy healthy food
Also not just do we need to account for the psychology, which he isn’t doing, but also, a lot of the times soft drinks in multipacks can actually be cheaper than bottled water. Not often, but I’ve definitely seen it even in Finland (and our tap water is great) where a bottle of water would be around 1e but some offer makes it so that you can buy a sixpack of coke cans for 3e, making it cheaper by volume.
I’m not saying the prices should be the determining factor, but I think most of us know that for anyone who even knows what “paycheck to paycheck” means, it too often is the most crucial factor in determining purchases.
Which water is 1€, Fiji? Buy supermarket brand water for 0.25€ for a 1.5L, or drink tap water. 6 cans of coke for 3 euros is 1.5€ per liter. Your math isn’t mathing. On top of everything, if you really want coke, bottles are always cheaper than cans.
Literally the cheapest brand at my local store.
Like people have been saying, you’re vastly underestimating the costs.
Edit oh and bottles aren’t always cheaper than cans, what on Earth gives you that idea? Cans have a 0.15 deposit here, 0.5l bottles 0.20e and large bottles 0.4e. Yeah, usually you can get the market brand largest coke bottle for less than you pay for a sixpack of brand coke, but a lot of the times it’s on sale for 3e a sixpack, meaning it’s sometimes cheaper than the non-brand cokes. I don’t drink that much coke, but there’s more value in deposits in a sixpack of cans (0.15 * 6 = 90 cnt as opposed to 40 cents from the 1.5-2l bottle) and it doesn’t lose the co2 as fast due to being in separate canisters
Ok, now show the coke, water is 0.52€ per liter.
PS: deposit is refundable. Do poor people just throw away money now?
Nope, that’s not how you spell “oh look, I am actually rather stupid for having such arrogance with zero knowledge and arguments”.
So you refused to believe a bottle of water is 1€. I proved you wrong. You thought you’d get a bottle with 25 cents, thinking water costs 5 cents above the 20 cnt deposit.
Just like you have been this entire thread (which is why everyone is downvoting you), you’re just acting like a kid who’s ashamed he did something silly and wants to pretend he didn’t.
You keep saying wrong things. I haven’t. I keep proving how the things I say are true. Which you keep ignoring, because you don’t want to be proved wrong.
Admit you were wrong. Admit that generic store brand flat water is 1€ for 0.5l in my closest store. (They don’t even have the gallon+ jug most of the time if you actually needed water.)
But like, for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN IN THE USA. Your reading is so bad that I have no problem believing you grew up in a shitty communist country, lol.
I was poor longer than half my life. If I used my money to buy sugar drinks, I didn’t blame my lack of money for my bad nutrition.
You are a stubborn idiot.
Why do you pretend food deserts don’t exist, when they every clearly do?
Is it that much of a hit to your childish ego? Kinda pitiful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Do you have trouble understanding the words? I can translate if you tell me your native language. Clearly it’s not English.
Never claimed that, just said that if you buy sugar drinks instead of water, don’t blame your lack of nutrition or health on being poor, food deserts, George Soros, space lasers or the military industrial complex.
“what’s an implication”
You’ve outright argued that people living in food deserts are JUST MAKING BAD CHOICES instead of NOT HAVING CHOICES AVAILABLE TO THEM.
I’ve met dogs who understand English better than you
They have choices: water.