Concerns over AI surveillance in schools are intensifying after armed officers swarmed a 16-year-old student outside Kenwood High School in Baltimore when an AI gun detection system falsely flagged a Doritos bag as a firearm.

Allen was handcuffed at gunpoint. Police later showed him the AI-captured image that triggered the alert. The crumpled Doritos bag in his pocket had been mistaken for a gun.

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    Reaction time is a factor in a case like this. All the situation required was a cop walking up and talking to him, hand casually (heh) on pistol.

    “Hey man, let me talk to you. School camera system thinks you have a gun and I gotta check.”

    Say the kid did having a gun and was looking to use it, no one, let alone a 16-yo, is going to fumble fuck a gun out of his pocket before a cop can draw down on him. I wouldn’t bank on clearing a properly holstered and concealed pistol in this case. Maybe with some serious practice? Also, I am not a high school kid.

    Most cops carry Glocks, so no safety to hassle with. Don’t know what retention system they now favor, but modern holsters allow the user to draw without thinking about releasing the weapon. I see zero risk in this approach.

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      People ready to start a shooting aren’t as approachable as you make it seem. Complicated solution but I don’t think your solution would work most times.

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      Say the kid did having a gun and was looking to use it, no one, let alone a 16-yo, is going to fumble fuck a gun out of his pocket before a cop can draw down on him

      That’s extremely naive.

      Nevermind the fact that he doesn’t have to. Guns don’t work like they do in the movies. When you shoot someone they don’t instantly drop dead.

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        Sometimes, unlike the movies, they do drop dead, instantly. Watching a shooting video is worse than Hollywood because people often fall like a cut puppet, no drama, don’t even fall over, straight down, horrific. The first cowboy movies depicted taking a bullet like that but audiences didn’t think it was realistic. 🤷🏻

        Then there’s the kid that shot a YouTuber bullying him at the mall. Hit the big kid in the gut with a .380 (probably) at point blank range, dude just walked off, wasn’t even dripping.

        As always, ballistics are weird and it “just depends”. But if a man with a 9mm, at point blank range, has the drop on you, think you could take the bullet, continue pulling a pistol out of your pocket and into action? As that man continues pumping bullets into you (as cops are trained to do)?

        Again, I practice and I could not clear my concealed holster before that cop was hitting me. Aside from being stupidly unsafe, I won’t carry without a proper holster because I can’t get even my smallest guns out of my jeans in a hurry.

        And no, I’m not going off Hollywood. I have dozens of guns, shoot 2-3 times a week at my own range, using a wide variety of weapons. I learn much from GunTubers, test for myself.

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          Sometimes. Not usually. Nor is it something a police officer is or should stake their life on.

          But if a man with a 9mm, at point blank range, has the drop on you, think you could take the bullet, continue pulling a pistol out of your pocket and into action?

          Can and do, all the time. (Assuming you mean the royal you).

          I learn much from GunTubers, test for myself.

          How many times have you tested being shot?