On the other hand, if we had not saved daylight we would have probably ran out by now.
It’s “have run,” not “have ran.” Thanks for coming to my TURD Talk.
A lot of people have started using simple past tense for all perfect tenses lately, but I don’t like change, dangit.
Yeah I mostly learned English watching Cartoon Network, when it wasn’t with subtitles or dubbed. They basically started airing in the Netherlands and an entire generation learned English by watching cartoons after school.
This is now repeating with YouTube and teens watching a lot of English youtubers.
I miss those days, Dexter’s laboratory, Dragonball Z, two stupid dogs…
Beam me up Scotty!
i can make arguments for both cases;
PRO-SIMPLE FORM:
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Perfect forms of verbs are redundant: Simple past tense doesn’t have an auxiliary verb anyway so you can already differentiate it from perfect or passive cases when you use it with have or be respectively.
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Easier to learn one variation of each verb than two
PRO-PERFECT FORM:
- Redundancy in language is good, losing one part of a sentence due to noise, signal loss or damage to medium may be saved by a redundant part making communication more reliable.
but also:
- regular verbs already have identical simple and perfect forms
which kind of tips the scales I think. perfect forms are already inconsistent, and verbs with identical forms already prove there’s no significant loss in not having a distinct perfect form. I was gonna add “can be used alone and carry its own meaning (eg drunk)” as a bullet point in favor of perfect forms but regular verbs with no distinct perfect form can also be used alone and still carry the meaning (eg beloved)
so yeah I think distinct perfect forms are on their way out, long term.
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I heard there’s more car crashes in the morning if you get rid of daylight savings time
I heard the opposite though
I heard a lot of things surrounding daylight savings, but I belive that it’s just bad for us.
It’s about time.
No. It’s one hour too early.
Not a minute too late!
It doesn’t even matter which they pick, just pick one! We’re free to live our lives independently from the clock. There’s no natural law that states work starts at 8.
Isn’t the most important industry dependent(photosynthesis doesn’t wait for you) on the clock? I guess you mean the numbers we choose don’t really matter, then I agree.
Yes, it could say alpha for all I care. As you say, the sun dictates the day, not our clock, but the grindset is so entrenched that it’s easier to change clocks than individual work settings.
If Spain chooses to continue to synchronize opening hours with central Europe, they can do that regardless of what the number on the clock is.
Pick real time and let people adjust their schedules. It’s easier and the science backs it up.
Pick real time
And have to put up with Bill Maher? No thanks.
Solar time.
UTC for all.
Man that would fucking blow for so many people.
The date would change in the middle of a business day
Live service game enjoyers everywhere: yourfirsttimequestionmark.gif
People who work night shift:
Fun fact: In some countries you can say “see you tomorrow” when going for lunch.
Like it changes at midnight?
I mean that’s not really the issue
The issue is like restaurants opening for dinner at 7AM and such
It would be a big cultural shift
Like if midnight was the middle of your solar day (and work day) like it would be in many countries, it’d be pretty tricky for a lot of things.
I see it as a giant hammer of a solution. The times you could just get used to be the day shift in the middle of stuff seems tough to me
Store hours:
Monday 20-24
Tuesday 0-6, 20-24
Etc
Or perhaps
Monday 20-06 Tuesday 20-06
But like bank transactions, rent being due on a certain day, like it all becomes tough in my opinion. Nevermind all the code that would be insanely broken
Actually code would probably be the easiest thing. Unless it’s very badly programmed computers don’t care about what the actual date is, the care how many seconds have passed.
The hardest thing to reprogram would be human culture. I suspect there would be massive pushback against the idea.
I agree, but I think that 80% of the code I’ve seen in my life that isn’t based on OS time would be very broken. Factory automation and the like.
A fixable problem, but again largely unnecessary one imo
I hate DST though and think that either summer or winter time permanently would both be better than switching
Bars already have schedules like that and it’s not an issue
You can add time to due dates to. It wouldn’t be that problematic. Or just keep the day only
At the mere mention of changing the summer time, you get all bar and restaurant people shouting to not touch it.
But actually we’re in the wrong time zone too, so summer time is actually just having office hours from 07:00 to 15:00 solar time but with more lying.
While summer time is better for daylight after work, winter time is the one where at 12 the sun is at the highest point.
At least in Germany, there is no winter time. There is normal time (Normalzeit) and summer time (Sommerzeit).
Depends on where you live. If youre west of Germany but on the mainland, winter is the one where the sun is highest between 1 and 2. Summer time is even worse though, between 2 and 3.
Do it
I suggest we start using a new metric:
It’s been x amount of seconds since the USA empire fell.
YESSSSSS
So it’s the year 65 right now?
So it’s the year 65 right now?
So you’re saying that the USA fell when Black people got Civil Rights? 🤔
Sus 👀
Any particular reason why a sovereign country can’t just decide to do this on its own? Why does it have to be a pan-european thing?
Time chaos in EU.
Imagine organizing military responses or shipping logistics when you can go under an hour then forward and then under an hour again just crossing 3 countries.
Time bandits even!
Now that’s a reference 👌
Eh, it works fine in Arizona. The US uses daylight savings, but Arizona doesn’t, except for some of the reservations in Arizona that do. You can go forward and back an hour twice just crossing Arizona
Ninja edit: As I say that, I remember why I even know that - I once spent an entire morning working out a bug in one of my daily jobs. Turned out because a team member in Arizona wrote the script and scheduled it, and a different team member not in Arizona wrote an orchestration to collect results, they ended up off-sync once daylight savings hit. Maybe it doesn’t work
The true problem here is using individual floating reference time instead of fixed or shared reference times.
Programming should always use Epoch or UTC+0 internally. All translation to local time would be just that, a translation.
The majority of similar scheduling bugs is due to not being explicit with what your reference time is. For automated background tasks that should always be absolute time. It’s only when you’re scheduling in reference to events that run at times that are fixed to their local timezones that you should be referring to that kind of floating reference, and then you should link all the references together so everything connected to the event pulls the same timezone reference, etc
At this point I don’t really care anymore. The EU has not solved this problem within the last 15 years and probably won’t in the future. I understand it’s important for some people but we have bigger problems.
Yes, Veggie Burgers for example! /s
That’s Veggie Loaf ™
sigh
As I understand it there was broad agreement the last time, but the UK pulled out after Brexit and Ireland didn’t want to have two different timezones for the North and Republic.
Since nobody can agree on which time to keep I doubt it’ll lead to anything. By now I’ve kinda gotten used to it anyway.
Nobody agrees on which one is better but I’d say a majority agrees that sticking to one is better
That’s like saying we can’t agree if we want burgers or steak so let’s all have nothing instead
That’s exactly what it’s like, which is why I suspect you’ll all be enjoying a nice big slab of nothing.
Meet in the middle, and be done with it. Instead of going back an hour this weekend. Go back a half hour, and just leave it there forever.
I remember that at some point in the 90s or 2000s you could buy watches with beats time. A day was divided in 1000 beats and there where no timezones. So 300 beats could be breakfast for me and bedtime for you.
I think I would actually really like a global system like that.
That doesn’t really solve the problem, it’s just relabeling the existing system. The bigger issue is that over the course of a year we don’t change when we do things.
You’re expected to arrive at work at a particular time, at no point did they ever say oh it’s still dark at 7am feel free to come in an hour later. No business would ever do that, so they have to change the clocks so that 7:00 a.m. now happens later.
The whole decimalization and universal time thing would require businesses to make that accommodation. Which is not going to happen.
With a system like .beat (or internet time as it was also called), there are no timezones and there is no daylight savings time.
If we would use a system like that, I’m pretty sure stores in Barcelona would open at a different time than stores in Amsterdam, because the sunrise at different moments. Now we have the same timezone, because it works wel for trade, not because its the best local time.
Using the exact same time globally could fix that. We use the same time for meetings with people abroad but choose the time that fits when the sun rises
Tell that to the people who lose an hours’ worth of pay every year to the companies that happily adjust their timecards in the fall and then all too conveniently forget to fix them in the spring.
“To kill me you must get up earlier, Spain!”
That’s all very well for Spain who are fairly close to the equator, but us northerners would like to see some daylight in winter.
In the morning or afternoon? I find living in Montreal is getting more difficult as I get older, the short summers, the brutally long and dark winter is getting to me. It’s not so much the dark but that winter is a wet soggy season now.
I would like for it to be lighter in the afternoons. It’s brutal getting home in the pitch dark.
I think the biggest problem with Montreal is that it’s so fucking dirty in the winter, makes maintenance of vehicles a chore. If the city just embraced snow and let it get packed and rough, everyone would have an easier time with their winter and studded tires. Instead of having to wade through salt and the crushed rock that they put everywhere. And in the spring we wouldn’t be breathing dust.
That said, I think summer is fairly long here. Mid May all the way to end of September. It’s the spring that’s missing here, since you can get snowstorms in April still. In contrast in most of continental Europe, there’s a peak of cold around end of January / February, and then that’s it. March is already the wet but bearable, with lots of blooming “snow flowers”.
Summer is 6 weeks, tops. The days get short real quick, August is already cool in the evening.
I don’t think you appreciate how much snow we can get.
I’m probably your neighbour, you Need.
Then use a time zone that makes sense for that?
I will never understand the push to kill daylight savings. And of course it would be Spain that’s pushing for this a country where they’re not really affected by it, but they want to take it away for the entirety of Europe. There have been pretty conclusive studies that indicate that you should wake with the rise of the sun. Unfortunately our lives don’t work like that, you get up at 7:00 a.m. whatever the sun is doing, so I would prefer it if we kept 7:00 a.m. to be about the time the sun comes up. Why is that a controversial take?
It has measurable negative effects on health.
Not everyone gets up at 7 am? Probably not even the majority. At least over here elementary starts at 7:30 and most people have their kids in daycare by that time as well. Moreover, time zones are big - so what might be a sunrise at 7 for you might be, depending on the relative location, a sunrise at 7:30 (or 6:30).
This is also why this is so immensely complicated. For some EU countries winter time would be better, for others, summer time. While they are in the same time zone. If you let every country choose what time they will pick or whether or not they will keep daylight saving you’ll get a patchwork of relatively small countries all operating at different times. Imagine living in Luxemburg, it’s 5 pm, in Belgium it is 5, in France 4, in Germany 6, in the Netherlands 4 again, then Spain hits you with 6 and Austria salutes you at 5. Have fun with that.
