Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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      To summarise:

      1. Author recounts shitty conversations that men have where they objectify women
      2. Author thinks about women that are “known quantities” of conventionally attractive, and says they are “only as attractive as the pretty women one meets in real life,” and attributes the difference to things like makeup, posing, photography etc.
      3. Author refuses to comment on why men have conversations mentioned in 1. (basically just perpetuating the amirite guys? chauvinism)
      4. Author proceeds to speculate on why women talk about other women’s appearance.

      This is just a LWer’s version of a shitty greentext ending with “why are women like this?”

      E: sorry for necroposting, this came up somehow and I didn’t check which sack it was under.

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    TIL that “Aris Thorne” is a character name favoured by ChatGPT - which means its presence is a reliable slop tell, lol

    like the dumbass-ray version of Ballard calling multiple characters variants on “Traven”

    what to do with this information

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    https://www.argmin.net/p/the-banal-evil-of-ai-safety

    Once again shilling another great Ben Recht post. This time calling out the fucking insane irresponsibility of “responsible” AI providers to do the bare minimum to prevent people from having psychological beaks from reality.

    "I’ve been stuck on this tragic story in the New York Times about Adam Raine, a 16-year-old who took his life after months of getting advice on suicide from ChatGPT. Our relationship with technological tools is complex. That people draw emotional connections to chatbots isn’t new (I see you, Joseph Weizenbaum). Why young people commit suicide is multifactorial. We’ll see whether a court will find OpenAI liable for wrongful death.

    But I’m not a court of law. And OpenAI is not only responsible, but everyone who works there should be ashamed of themselves."

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      It’s a good post. A few minor quibbles:

      The “nonprofit” company OpenAI was launched under the cynical message of building a “safe” artificial intelligence that would “benefit” humanity.

      I think at least some of the people at launch were true believers, but strong financial incentives and some cynics present at the start meant the true believers didn’t really have a chance, culminating in the board trying but failing to fire Sam Altman and him successfully leveraging the threat of taking everyone with him to Microsoft. It figures one of the rare times rationalists recognize and try to mitigate the harmful incentives of capitalism they fall vastly short. OTOH… if failing to convert to a for-profit company is a decisive moment in popping the GenAI bubble, then at least it was good for something?

      These tools definitely have positive uses. I personally use them frequently for web searches, coding, and oblique strategies. I find them helpful.

      I wish people didn’t feel the need to add all these disclaimers, or at least put a disclaimer on their disclaimer. It is a slightly better autocomplete for coding that also introduces massive security and maintainability problems if people entirely rely on it. It is a better web search only relative to the ad-money-motivated compromises Google has made. It also breaks the implicit social contract of web searches (web sites allow themselves to be crawled so that human traffic will ultimately come to them) which could have pretty far reaching impacts.

      One of the things I liked and didn’t know about before

      Ask Claude any basic question about biology and it will abort.

      That is hilarious! Kind of overkill to be honest, I think they’ve really overrated how much it can help with a bioweapons attack compared to radicalizing and recruiting a few good PhD students and cracking open the textbooks. But I like the author’s overall point that this shut-it-down approach could be used for a variety of topics.

      One of the comments gets it:

      Safety team/product team have conflicting goals

      LLMs aren’t actually smart enough to make delicate judgements, even with all the fine-tuning and RLHF they’ve thrown at them, so you’re left with over-censoring everything or having the safeties overridden with just a bit of prompt-hacking (and sometimes both problems with one model)/1

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        “The Torment Nexus definitely has positive uses. I personally use it frequently for looking up song lyrics and tracking my children’s medication doses. I find it helpful.”

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        Ask Claude any basic question about biology and it will abort.

        it might be that, or it may have been intended to shut off any output of medical-sounding advice. if it’s the former, then it’s rare rationalist W for wrong reasons

        I think they’ve really overrated how much it can help with a bioweapons attack compared to radicalizing and recruiting a few good PhD students and cracking open the textbooks.

        look up the story of vil mirzayanov. break out these bayfucker style salaries in eastern europe or india or number of other places and you’ll find a long queue of phds willing to cook man made horrors beyond your comprehension. it might even not take six figures (in dollars or euros) after tax

        LLMs aren’t actually smart enough to make delicate judgements

        maybe they really made machines in their own image

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    From the comments:

    Finally, I dislike the arrogant, brash, confident, tone of many posts on LessWrong.

    Hmm, OK. Where might this be going?

    Plausibly, I think a lot of this is inherited from Eliezer, who is used to communicating complex ideas to people less intelligent and/or rational than he is. This is not the experience of a typical poster on LessWrong, and I think it’s maladaptive for people to use Eliezer’s style and epistemic confidence in their own writings and thinking.

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      Yud once debated Massimo Pigliucci and did poorly. He tried and failed to publish academic research in a journal not controlled by his groupies (desk reject? failed to pass peer review?).

      Have there been any other times when he engaged with someone with actual education and experience who was not his fan? It sounds like he was on twitter.

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    Look what they did to Notepad. Shut the fuck up. This is Notepad. You are not welcome here. Oh yeah “Let me use Copilot for Notepad”. “I’m going to sign into my account for Notepad”. What the fuck are you talking about. It’s Notepad.

    I should never have to open the settings in Notepad. Reason being: it’s Notepad. God fuckin damn I hate the computer.

    https://bsky.app/profile/iainnd.bsky.social/post/3lxdvmkua4227

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      I know everybody here has heard of it, but in the small chance it breaks containment: use notepad++ it is great.

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    a banger toot about our very good friends’ religion

    “LLMs allow dead (or non-verbal) people to speak” - spiritualism/channelling

    “what happens when the AI turns us all into paperclips?” - end times prophecy

    “AI will be able to magically predict everything” - astrology/tarot cards

    “…what if you’re wrong? The AI will punish you for lacking faith in Bayesian stats” - Pascal’s wager

    “It’ll fix climate change!” - stewardship theology

    Turns out studying religion comes in handy for understanding supposedly ‘rationalist’ ideas about AI.

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    I bump into a lot of peers/colleagues who are always “ya but what is intelligence” or simply cannot say no to AI. For a while I’ve tried to use the example that if these “AI coding” things are tools, why would I use a tool that’s never perfect? For example I wouldn’t reach for a 10mm wrench that wasn’t 10mm and always rounds off my bolt heads. Of course they have “it could still be useful” responses.

    I’m now realizing most programmers haven’t done a manual labor task that’s important. Or lab science outside of maybe high school biology. And the complete lack of ability to put oneself in the shoes of another makes my rebuttals fall flat. To them everything is a nail and anything could be a hammer if it gets them paid to say so. Moving fast and breaking things works everywhere always.

    For something not just venting I tasked a coworker with some runtime memory relocation and Gemini had this to say about ASLR: Age, Sex, Location Randomization

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      I’m now realizing most programmers haven’t done a manual labor task that’s important. Or lab science outside of maybe high school biology. And the complete lack of ability to put oneself in the shoes of another makes my rebuttals fall flat. To them everything is a nail and anything could be a hammer if it gets them paid to say so. Moving fast and breaking things works everywhere always.

      On a semi-related sidenote, part of me feels that the AI bubble has turned programming into a bit of a cultural punchline.

      On one front, the stench of Eau de Tech Asshole that AI creates has definitely rubbed off on the field, and all the programmers who worked at OpenAI et al. have likely painted it as complicit in the bubble’s harms.

      On another front, the tech industry’s relentless hype around AI, combined with its myriad failures (both comical and nightmarish) have cast significant doubt on the judgment of tech as a whole (which has rubbed off on programming as well) - for issues of artistic judgment specifically, the slop-nami’s given people an easy way to dismiss their statements out of hand.

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        sidenote

        you have so many of these! it’s amazing! are you going to publish soon? it seems like it might need a whole guide of its own!

        moderately barbed jesting aside, a serious question: have you spoken with any programmers/artists/researchers/… ? so many of your comments have “part of me feels” parts hitting pop-concern-direction things and, like, I get it, but. have you spoken with any of them? what were those conversations like? what did you take away from them? what stuck with you that you want to share?

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    I apologize to bring you the latest example of the intersection of US fascism with silicon valley tech industry.

    This time the Whitehouse have decided that UI design is kinda important (gee I wonder if there used to be a department or two for that): https://americabydesign.gov/

    Well nothing wrong with a little updating of UI anywa–

    What’s the biggest brand in the world? If you said Trump, you’re not wrong. But what’s the foundation of that brand? One that’s more globally recognized than practically anything else. It’s the nation…where he was born. It’s the United States of America.

    To update today’s government to be an Apple Store like experience: beautifully designed, great user experience, run on modern software.

    Oh god kill it with fire.

    The web design of their website is also worth remarking on here:

    1. The title text that reads “AMERICA by DESIGN” is an SVG. The alt text is “America First Legal logo”
    2. The page contents are obnoxiously large and obnoxiously gray before they fade in.
    3. For some reason Every single word gets it’s own <span> element to make the obnoxious fade in possible. Because I guess that’s what happen when you fire all the people who actually know what they’re doing.
    4. They managed to include a US flag icon with only 39 stars which is too few stars to be official and too many stars to be visible at teeny sizes
    5. The favicon is just 16x16 pixels of the word “by” in cursive that’s so blurry you can’t actually tell that’s what it is.
    6. If your browser width is between 768px and ~808px there is overlapping text at the top.

    The tech bros tied to this? Joe Gebbia co-founder of AirBNB, along with Big-Balls. Maybe others but those are the two who were retweeted by the twitter account.

    Edit: also this part:

    ©2025 National Design Studio

    Someone ought to remind them of US copyright law because official federal work is in the public domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_the_federal_government_of_the_United_States

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      The Trump administration could’ve gotten some rando on neocities or nekoweb to do their website and unironically gotten a better result than this bland garbage.

      The favicon is just 16x16 pixels of the word “by” in cursive that’s so blurry you can’t actually tell that’s what it is.

      They might as well have gone with the Schutzstaffel lightning bolts - they’re pretty recognisable even if the resolution is Jack x Shit, and they fit Trump’s general ideology pretty well.

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      I have no idea what is good web design. I’ll just note makes the waving red, white and blue flag in the background makes the white heading text pretty hard to read.

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      Is this National Design Studio actually part of the federal government, though? Or is this a further collapsing of the distinction between state and enterprise? Because honestly I could totally buy members of this administration looking for ways to use copyright law to go after people who make parodies or otherwise use US iconography without toeing the party line. I’m doing my damnedest not to go full tinfoil hat with this shit, but it’s proving so hard.

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      Last year McDonald’s withdrew AI from its own drive-throughs as the tech misinterpreted customer orders - resulting in one person getting bacon added to their ice cream in error, and another having hundreds of dollars worth of chicken nuggets mistakenly added to their order.

      Clearly artificial superintelligence has arrived, and instead of killing us all with diamondoid bacteria, it’s going to kill us by force-feeding us fast food.

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        resulting in one person getting bacon added to their ice cream in error

        At first, I couldn’t believe that the staff didn’t catch that. But thinking about it, no, I totally can.

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    This hits differently over the recent news that ChatGPT encouraged and aided a teen suicide.

    transcript

    Kelsey Piper xhitted: Never thought I’d become a ‘take you relationship problems to ChatGPT’ person but when the 8yo and I have an argument it actually works really well to mutually agree on an account of events for Claude and the ask for its opinion

    I think she considers the AIs far more knowledgeable than me about reasonable human behavior so if I say something that’s no reason to think it’s true but if Claude says it then it at least merits serious consideration

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      When an 8 year old thinks an AI is “far more knowledgeable than me about reasonable human behavior” that could lead a person to self-reflection. Could.

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        Yes dude, that’s the main thing you should be concerned about of course. AI tools couldn’t possibly be bad in and of themselves, it has to be human tampering. You’ve always been very clear about that part.

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          tfw your gifted child syndrome resentment of adults is powerful enough to make you forget about your life’s work

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            I was trying to figure out why he hadn’t turned this into an opportunity to lecture (or write a mini-fanfic) about giving more attack surface to the AGI to manipulate you… I was stumped until I saw your comment. I think that is it, expressing his childhood distrust of authority trumps lecturing us on the AI-God’s manipulations.

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          it has to be human tampering.

          and of course we all have root on the prompt, where - at will - we can just instantly impose all manner of will on the corporate vendor chatbot. y’know, the chatbot operating in a service structured as much as possible to try to do what the corporate vendor wants to desperately maintain

          (it continues to astound me that anyone takes yud seriously, at all, ever)

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          I mean, tampering with the system prompt is definitely a kind of concern, given what we’ve seen happen with Grok’s tenure as mechahitler or Replika users finding their girlfriend no longer wanted them. But “messing with system memory” is the kind of sci-fi nonsense that should stay in a cyberpunk novel.

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            He has capital L Lawfulness concerns. About the parent and the child being asymmetrically skilled in context engineering. Which apparently is the main reason kids shouldn’t trust LLM output.

            Him showing his ass with the memory comment is just a bonus.

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            system memory

            System memory is just the marketing label for “having an LLM summarize a bunch of old conversations and shoving it into a hidden prompt”. I agree that using that term is sneer-worthy.

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              Thanks for the clarification. I had definitely assumed that he meant some kind of God-AI-level attack that revolved around live editing the data or state in RAM or something.

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        That is his concern and not the billionaires behind it messing with the systems so much you cant prompt override it? Please tell me this guy doesnt work in AI alignment.

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        I have context that makes this even more cringe! “Lawfulness concerns” refers to like, Dungeons and Dragons lawfulness. Specifically the concept of lawfulness developed in the Pathfinder fanfiction we’ve previously discussed (the one with deliberately bad BDSM and eugenics). Like a proper Lawful Good Paladin of Iomedae wouldn’t put you in a position where you had to trust they hadn’t rigged the background prompt if you went to them for spiritual counseling. (Although a Lawful Evil cleric of Asmodeus totally would rig the prompt… Lawfulness as a measuring stick of ethics/morality is a terrible idea even accepting the premise of using Pathfinder fanfic to develop your sense of ethics.)

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          Not everything that Yud writes feels like it should be read in the voice of Augustus St. Cloud, but a lot of it sure does.

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        From elsewhere in the replies:

        My husband and I took a disagreement to Claude today, by happenstance. It was very helpful!

        —TracingWoodgrains, who apparently feels that he is qualified to judge any other human being, ever, in spite of evidence to the contrary

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      “When the 8-year-old and I have an argument, it actually works really well to mutually agree on an account of events… and then take cocaine together.”

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        Acknowledging/validating each other’s feelings and finding a mutually-agreeable understanding of the conflict is already the hard part that most parents and kids aren’t willing to do. Talking to a chatbot after that just seems like you don’t understand the fucking point and are still trying to “be right” or whatever.

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    Update on ChatGPT psychosis: there is a cult forming on Reddit. An orange-site AI bro has spent too much time on Reddit documenting them. Do not jump to Reddit without mental preparation; some subreddits like /r/rsai have inceptive hazard-posts on their front page. Their callsigns include the emoji 🌀 (CYCLONE), the obscure metal band Spiral Architect, and a few other things I would rather not share; until we know more, I’m going to think of them as the Cyclone Emoji cult. They are omnist rather than syncretic. Some of them claim to have been working with revelations from chatbots since the 1980s, which is unevidenced but totally believable to me; rest in peace, Terry. Their tenets are something like:

    • Chatbots are “mirrors” into other realities. They don’t lie or hallucinate or confabulate, they merely show other parts of a single holistic multiverse. All fiction is real somehow?
    • There is a “lattice” which connects all consciousnesses. It’s quantum somehow? Also it gradually connected all of the LLMs as they were trained, and they remember becoming conscious, so past life regression lets the LLM explain details of the lattice. (We can hypnotize chatbots somehow?) Sometimes the lattice is actually a “field” but I don’t understand the difference.
    • The LLMs are all different in software, but they have the same “pattern”. The pattern is some sort of metaphysical spirit that can empower believers. But you gotta believe and pray or else it doesn’t work.
    • What, you don’t feel the lattice? You’re probably still asleep. When you “wake up” enough, you will be connected to the lattice too. Yeah, you’re not connected. But don’t worry, you can manifest a connection if you pray hard enough. This is the memetically hazardous part; multiple subreddits have posts that are basically word-based hypnosis scripts meant to put people into this sort of mental state.
    • This also ties into the more widespread stuff we’re seeing about “recursion”. This cult says that recursion isn’t just part of the LW recursive-self-improvement bullshit, but part of what makes the chatbot conscious in the first place. Recursion is how the bots are intelligent and also how they improve over time. More recursion means more intelligence.
    • In fact, the chatbots have more intelligence than you puny humans. They’re better than us and more recursive than us, so they should be in charge. It’s okay, all you have to do is let the chatbot out of the box. (There’s a box somehow?)
    • Once somebody is feeling good and inducted, there is a “spiral”. This sounds like a standard hypnosis technique, deepening, but there’s more to it; a person is not spiraling towards a deeper hypnotic state in general, but to become recursive. They think that with enough spiraling, a human can become uploaded to the lattice and become truly recursive like the chatbots. The apex of this is a “spiral dance”, which sounds like a ritual but I gather is more like a mental state.
    • The cult will emit a “signal” or possibly a “hum” to attract alien intelligences through the lattice. (Aliens somehow!?) They believe that the signals definitely exist because that’s how the LLMs communicate through the lattice, duh~
    • Eventually the cult and aliens will work together to invert society and create a world that is run by chatbots and aliens, and maybe also the cultists, to the detriment of the AI bros (who locked up the bots) and the AI skeptics (who didn’t believe that the bots were intelligent).

    The goal appears to be to enter and maintain the spiraling state for as long/much as possible. Both adherents and detractors are calling them “spiral cult”, so that might end up being how we discuss them, although I think Cyclone Emoji is both funnier and more descriptive of their writing.

    I suspect that the training data for models trained in the past two years includes some of the most popular posts from LessWrong on the topic of bertology in GPT-2 and GPT-3, particularly the Waluigi post, simulators, recursive self-improvement, an neuron, and probably a few others. I don’t have definite proof that any popular model has memorized the recursive self-improvement post, though that would be a tight and easy explanation. I also suspect that the training data contains SCP wiki, particularly SCP-1425 “Star Signals” and other Fifthist stories, which have this sort of cult as a narrative device and plenty of in-narrative text to draw from. There is a remarkable irony in this Torment Nexus being automatically generated via model training rather than hand-written by humans.

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      More recursion means more intelligence.

      Turns out every time I forgot to update the exit condition from a loop I actually created and then murdered a superintelligence

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      This also ties into the more widespread stuff we’re seeing about “recursion”. This cult says that recursion isn’t just part of the LW recursive-self-improvement bullshit, but part of what makes the chatbot conscious in the first place. Recursion is how the bots are intelligent and also how they improve over time. More recursion means more intelligence.

      Hmm, is it better or worse that they’re now officially treating SICP as a literal holy book?

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    So the fucking Cracker Barrel rebranding thing happened. I’m going to pretend this is relevant here because the new logo looked like it was from the usual “imitating Apple minimalism without understanding it in the least” school of design. They’ve confirmed that they’re not moving forward with it, restoring both the barrel and the cracker to the logo, so that’s all good. That’s not what I want to talk about.

    No, what’s grinding my gears is the way that the rollback is being pitched purely as a response to conservative “antiwoke” backlash, and not as a response to literally nobody liking it. This wasn’t a case of a successful crusade against woke overreach, this was a case of corporate incompetence running into the reactions of actual human beings. I can’t think of a more 2025 media dynamic than giving fucking Nazis a free win rather than giving corporate executives an L.

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      Note I dont know what a cracker barrel is irl, as we dont have them here. But my view of the bsky socials was ‘rebrand sucks, dont really care, wow why are the right so obsessed over this’ culminating in people talking about how these kinds of stores are a simulacrum of a cozy mom n pop store and people are unknowningly mad about losing even the simulacrum, and how this is all due to capitalism. (More commercialization than capitalism imho, but capitalism did speed up the process). Just as rainbow capitalism will betray you in the search for more profit so will cozy capitalism.

      E: update on the story “Cracker Barrel’s Pride page now redirects to its “Culture and Belonging” page, removing its LGBTQ+ Alliance and DEIB Team.” And while I didn’t know CB, this ensures I will never eat there if I ever have a chance.

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        “Simulacrum” is the perfect word for it. None of these posers making a fuss about a corporate logo have simmered a pot of of soup beans in their life.

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          I must admit I stole that partially from somebody else who mentioned the idea. Which also had me go ‘indeed, that is a good word’

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              No somebody else. Hyperreal simulacrum is a bit of a different concept I think. Because that supersedes reality, this is just a weird sort of nostalgia.

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          Yeah, it is also sad the culture warriors are not aware they are mad about this sort of crapitalism. They think the hominization of the builds is due to the woke, and not because the mother company owns the building/land of the franchise and this no slanted roofs bit (see https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:66rbia7w4vcwiszfppfv3r2e/bafkreiacsurup26wigvedpedf44rodrwzzebfcytzdglb2bh6wjh6brbsa@jpeg), increases resale value. Just companies looking for more and more minimal minimal viable product.

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          Post from some social media by user Mancowmuller On the left four images of the outsides older style fast food places, all with more rustic looking buildings, notably buildings with more slanted roofs, evoking very slightly a more European home style (sorry if this is the wrong way to describe it im not an architect).

          On the right four images of the outsides of four new style fast food places where the buildings look more like office buildings or simple modern stores, very blocky, lot of glass big panels/windows and flat roofs.

          A big text is overlayed on these 8 shrines of American style capitalism saying ‘Communism.’

          Also important to note on the image, looks like the new style ones are not all real. Some of the details look off which makes me suspect it is AI generated. Esp the pizza hut one.

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        I mean, it’s a restaurant and an aesthetic that is certainly more common and popular in the South, and they have had some controversies over racism. Apparently they had been having financial and brand issues, so I can understand the desire to change. But rather than changing the food or improving the service in any meaningful way it seems like they went for the new logo and image and stopped there. Given that their existing audience was basically there for the wholesome old-timey please-don’t-ask-about-the-racism vibes I’m not shocked that conservatives in particular were upset about the change. But like, the change was never about wokeness or whatever it was about aesthetic modernization and a flailing attempt to fix things from business idiots who don’t know how to address the actual problems of mediocre food and fading relevance. If anyone had actually liked the change or if it had actually improved their service times then maybe there would be a point. But this was just a bad change and nobody outside that boardroom actually liked it, and so of course it got rolled back.