This is what I am aiming for, I am trying to eat more vegan overtime but it is very difficult I love meat, hate cooking/and am usually too tired to do a decent job of it, and tasty veggie options are often more expensive somehow I think for me I don’t give a shit about the health benefits, I am not going to make it long enough for that to matter, rather it is that I know there won’t be enough food made sustainability for everyone at a much more accelerated pace if we don’t shift collectively towards plant based diets (on top of the animal cruelty concerns, which I recognize are the ultimate concern).
Lol who is still min maxing their body health at this point? I don’t get it, it is like changing the oil on a car that is about to be sent into a scrap metal crusher.
Like, the OCEAN is dying to the degree that Blue Whales are falling silent in their whalesong, longterm body health seems like a frivolous pursuit in this context from my perspective.
I think it is a good thing to value health, but it feels more like a form of positive intimacy with your body and an expression of self care than any kind of ticket into a meaningfully different future given the current acceleration of climate change.
Do you not view the “meat” as having the same value as ocean life? I’m not attacking, this is a genuine question.
Yes I do, I should have been more specific when I say I “love meat” I mean I like the food. I associate meat with meals subconsciously in that awful US culture way, I was raised in the toxic sludge and tend to like food that has meat in it…
…at the same time I recognize it is awful how we treat animals, sea animals, land animals, I didn’t mean to diminish any of the immense suffering my cultures default meat based diet causes.
It is why I keep pushing to get myself to eat a more and more plant based diet, I meant to express how difficult it is to push against my nature of “loving” meat I guess? It isn’t an excuse I didn’t mean it as that either.
I guess my point was there is an inherent existentialist absurdism here.
Former meat lover here. Just keep going.
I kept reducing meat to a point where once I had it after a long-ish hiatus… I realized I don’t care for it anymore. Meat substitutes or meat free meals can be just as delicious - and guilt free! And these days there certainly are many options available compared to say 10 years ago.
People who can do the switch over night have my greatest respect - but if I tried it I’d fail miserably and just get demotivated. And even if you don’t manage to switch 100% - honestly that’s still better than not trying at all.
Yeah, I understand, I was a huge meat lover too. I definitely took some pride in my ability to cook a perfect steak. One day I just said I can’t morally justify it, so I’m done, and went… vegetarian.
From that point, I think I did intend to go vegan eventually, but it ended up taking me quite a while because i didn’t think cutting everything all at once would’ve been sustainable for me. I kept going back to r/vegan and reading/getting in debates about ethics and it all pushed me to eventually cut animal products entirely.
There were definitely people who were quite blunt with me along the way who I now appreciate, and wish i could be more like, sometimes, but I’m way too non-confrontational for that.
But one thing I found I asked myself a lot was: “am I really doing my best to live according to the morals I believe in”.
I don’t understand the argument of loving meat/cheese. Do you have an addiction? I love Tiramisu but I eat it twice a year at most because it’s not good for me. You can treat meat as a special treat, and it will feel all the more special when you do eat it.
I don’t understand the argument of loving meat/cheese
It isn’t an argument, like… what?
Do you have an addiction?
sigh you sound like a bot, please actually read my post and comments before you respond because yes that is what I am basically saying.
AKA people who could do a lot better.
edit: removed surplus verb
I’m vegan, and my food costs are much lower than those of meat eaters (dry beans are much much cheaper than meat). And yes, I not only meet but exceed my daily protein requirements.
Yup, I’m WFPB for round 95% of my home food, except for olive oil, tofu, and the occasional vegan meat. Having a pressure cooker is also a great saver when it comes to batch cooking meals with beans too!
