Those “fancy steps” are the only things that would make this legal. Without them, all he’s doing is violating the Constitution. DC presents a unique loophole for this. Anywhere else, and he’s breaking the law.
I’ve said time and time again we let the entire Bush admin off the hook for war crimes… Trump hasn’t even hit war crimes levels yet. Did anyone think we were ever going to hold him to account when we wouldn’t even do anything about that?
I don’t disagree, I guess I just felt like Bush’s war crimes of torture within our own military was pretty directly egregious whereas the whole point of Iran-Contra was that the Contras were the ones committing the violence, not US soldiers at the command of their leadership. Plausible deniability and all that. Like, if our society was ever going to give a shit, that should be have been the straw that broke the camels back since there was nothing plausibly deniable about “enhanced interrogation.”
The law does matter. People don’t seem to realize just how much of Trump’s bullshit has already been stopped by the courts.
The majority of his executive orders have all been blocked or straight-up nullified, so far…but thanks to the overwhelming volume of court cases and the long delays in reaching some decisions…the media never covers the outcomes to the same extent.
Oh okay please explain how the law works I’m sure youre a lawyer or a judge or some other type of legal expert. We’re all dying to hear how our president isn’t guilty of literally dozens and possibly hundreds of serious financial and sexual crimes dating back to the 1980s, or how he is guilty and the fact that he hasn’t been punished is just “how the law works”
You still need to present evidence, in court, before you can throw someone in (or under) prison. Or do you think Trump is right by arguing that he shouldn’t have to follow due process against HIS targets? The law should be equally applied to everyone…so, if you think it’s ok to simply ignore the process for him, then anyone can simply ignore the process for others.
whenever an EO gets challenged or struck down, Trump figures out a way to get rid of the problem or go around it. the only thing the law is doing is showing him vulnerabilities to exploit. state injunctions are legally being ignored thanks to SCOTUS, so… Trump does not have to listen to judges.
No one is “letting him”. There are dozens of active cases against him and his administration, right now. The process takes time, and the media never covers it adequately…but the system is still working.
If the system were working Cannon could not have effectively blocked Trump’s prosecution.
If the system were working the leader of an insurrection against the government of the United States could not have even RUN for President, much less BEEN SWORN IN.
If the system were working the personal attorney for the most vile and morally corrupt President in our nation’s history would not have been NONINATED, much less CONFIRMED to a federal appellate court.
THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING. Any conclusions predicated on another other assumption are simply wrong.
So…do you agree with Trump when he tries to suspend or ignore the legal process? Is that your solution? Just, “as long as it’s us doing it, it’s fine”?
It’s kind of bizarre to advocate for the very same shit he’s pulling, as a defense against the kind of shit he keeps trying to pull.
you’re right that the system is working. it is giving us its ultimate: fascism. this is the intended outcome for profit seeking capitalists. if you mean to say our system of American justice is working… surely you jest.
Dude. That’s literally the same argument Trump was using for why he should be allowed to just deport people without due process. This is not the “solution” you think it is.
Martial law is next! I tell ya.
Martial Law was one of the last steps in Project 2025.
This is damn near the same thing, without all the fancy steps.
Those “fancy steps” are the only things that would make this legal. Without them, all he’s doing is violating the Constitution. DC presents a unique loophole for this. Anywhere else, and he’s breaking the law.
Surely this time he’s done for.
Hate to break it to you man but the law does not matter. It really never has for the rich and powerful but he has laid it all bare
I’ve said time and time again we let the entire Bush admin off the hook for war crimes… Trump hasn’t even hit war crimes levels yet. Did anyone think we were ever going to hold him to account when we wouldn’t even do anything about that?
I think it started sooner, with Nixon being pardoned and all the senior Reagan White House officials getting away with Iran-Contra
Even farther back. The mishandling of Reconstruction of the South after Lincoln’s assassination.
I don’t disagree, I guess I just felt like Bush’s war crimes of torture within our own military was pretty directly egregious whereas the whole point of Iran-Contra was that the Contras were the ones committing the violence, not US soldiers at the command of their leadership. Plausible deniability and all that. Like, if our society was ever going to give a shit, that should be have been the straw that broke the camels back since there was nothing plausibly deniable about “enhanced interrogation.”
The law does matter. People don’t seem to realize just how much of Trump’s bullshit has already been stopped by the courts.
The majority of his executive orders have all been blocked or straight-up nullified, so far…but thanks to the overwhelming volume of court cases and the long delays in reaching some decisions…the media never covers the outcomes to the same extent.
Buddy if the law mattered even one fucking iota trump himself would be buried under the prison.
That’s not how the law works.
Oh okay please explain how the law works I’m sure youre a lawyer or a judge or some other type of legal expert. We’re all dying to hear how our president isn’t guilty of literally dozens and possibly hundreds of serious financial and sexual crimes dating back to the 1980s, or how he is guilty and the fact that he hasn’t been punished is just “how the law works”
Man I hate lemmoids
You still need to present evidence, in court, before you can throw someone in (or under) prison. Or do you think Trump is right by arguing that he shouldn’t have to follow due process against HIS targets? The law should be equally applied to everyone…so, if you think it’s ok to simply ignore the process for him, then anyone can simply ignore the process for others.
Guilt by decree is not “justice”.
He would be dead shortly after being locked up because he wouldn’t survive withdrawal from his fast food and orange makeup addiction.
Also amphetamines
whenever an EO gets challenged or struck down, Trump figures out a way to get rid of the problem or go around it. the only thing the law is doing is showing him vulnerabilities to exploit. state injunctions are legally being ignored thanks to SCOTUS, so… Trump does not have to listen to judges.
He’s breaking the law all over the US, when you’re rich… they let you. This is no different. Let’s see some consequences somewhere.
No one is “letting him”. There are dozens of active cases against him and his administration, right now. The process takes time, and the media never covers it adequately…but the system is still working.
If the system were working Cannon could not have effectively blocked Trump’s prosecution. If the system were working the leader of an insurrection against the government of the United States could not have even RUN for President, much less BEEN SWORN IN. If the system were working the personal attorney for the most vile and morally corrupt President in our nation’s history would not have been NONINATED, much less CONFIRMED to a federal appellate court.
THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING. Any conclusions predicated on another other assumption are simply wrong.
This is why we’re doomed. I cannot believe there are people who still think like this
He won’t realize until they come for him. People like him are how it happens
isn’t it disgusting? depressing as hell how these people still feel so confident in “the system.”
So…do you agree with Trump when he tries to suspend or ignore the legal process? Is that your solution? Just, “as long as it’s us doing it, it’s fine”?
It’s kind of bizarre to advocate for the very same shit he’s pulling, as a defense against the kind of shit he keeps trying to pull.
Remember this exchange.
you’re right that the system is working. it is giving us its ultimate: fascism. this is the intended outcome for profit seeking capitalists. if you mean to say our system of American justice is working… surely you jest.
That’s entirely the point. Legal channels are too show to counteract everything at once. See Bannon’s “stress test”.
Dude. That’s literally the same argument Trump was using for why he should be allowed to just deport people without due process. This is not the “solution” you think it is.
SCOTUS:
And the consequences of him breaking the law will be…? He’ll get arrested and prosecuted like a civilian?
It doesn’t fucking matter. He’ll do it all anyway, without ever declaring martial law. And what the fuck is anyone going to do about it?
Law means nothing unless there’s some means to enforce it
It means even less, if your first impulse is to toss it all out the window as soon as it’s no longer convenient for you to follow it.
Oh he surely won’t do that the morons say.
I saw Marshall Law at Lollapalooza ‘98!