Cults work by coercive control to brainwash people. They subtly do it using tactics including lovebombing, isolation, limiting information, sleep deprivation and getting blackmail material to gain total control over the person’s mind and body. It’s the same process a domestic abuse perp uses, but they have more resources at their disposal, making it even harder to break free
Can we get to the part where the Musk cult and the Trump cult both commit ritual suicide? It’s long overdue.
Would be great, thank you.
When will the Trump cult suicides start?
That’s just going to be Trump dropping nukes on California
They need to be kickstarted from the outside
If some legitimate damning Epstein or Russia pee tape evidence came out I think that could put things in motion
The guy pictured, Marshall Applewhite, wanted to fuck dudes and was ashamed of it so he got castrated. Then, after his best friend and cult’s co-founder died, he convinced a bunch of people that the world was going to end and the only way they could survive was by committing suicide so that their souls could leave on an alien spaceship hidden behind Hale-Bopp comet as it passed by. Nobody can know what he was thinking but I’d wager he was just depressed and didn’t want to die alone.
EDIT: Originally said it was Hailey’s comet.
I think an array of mental illness and drug abuse is more likely.
Fun fact, their website is still up https://www.heavensgate.com/
They were intentionally left behind to continue the mission/maintain the website. Lots of people have talked to them, they’re pretty easy to find interviews with.
Who’s paying for that?
Ah yes. Just seen it was the Hale-Bopp comet, not Hailey’s.
I’m more interested in wtf everyone else was thinking.
Respect elders, follow till death.
Iirc, a lot of them were forced to drink it.
so internalized homophobia is what got them all killed
And a whole lot of willful ignorance
Scientology somehow managed to reach cult “escape velocity” and survive the death of its leader.
Interesting. I feel like this theory can be expanded to not just cult but also organizations in general like a start up or a hobby club. What are the defining characteristics of a group getting to escape velocity I wonder
Own a fuck load of property, don’t pay taxes, keep attracting new people to pay into the group, convince existing members to pay more, maybe scare the feds a little so theyre forced to try cooptation rather than direct suppression
and mormonism
And Christianity.
Christianity as a religion generally started after the death and ascension of Christ.
So you’re saying it reached escape velocity and survived the death of its leader?
I agree with the other person that the JC fan club-cum-cult only became a real cult heading to religion after it had the sacrificial death to lean on.
The escape velocity was achieved not from the leader dying, as the martyrdom was the key factor long-term, but more so that it survived the core group of founders by being pliable. It wasn’t the “message” per se, but the decentralized and un-professionalizing of the religion that made it so that anyone could practice it, and for less hassle and cost than existing religions. It reached escape velocity because the barrier to entry for outsiders to practice and become leaders was lower.
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Almost like a small cult or something you’d say?
The only difference between a “religion” and any other cult is its popularity.
That’s why people that study cults prefer to call them ‘new religious movements’
Atheists are quite culty… So are leftists
Still a cult (or several) or why shouldn’t it be? I don’t know the exact definitions.
Cults generally are very centrally controlled and also demand people shun outsiders and/or apoststes
Of you haven’t watched Wild wild Country and/or Raël yet you definitely should. It’s incredible.
Dude, Wild Wild Country is insane.
I watched it when it came out, knowing nothing about it besides from “cult documentary”. Holy shit lol
Same here! I still thinking about it after years.
The Realeans are a fascinating bunch.
There is one cult I would welcome the ritual suicide of.
They’re just about at 10 years now.
I had to think for a while.
You had a thought? Congrats, you’re not in the cult
That’s just what a woke gay commie deep state libtard would say!
This guy has a Kool aid stain on his upper lip
Gimme dat gay space communism
Don’t besmirch the Kool aid, it was actually flavoraid. Motherfuckers couldn’t even fork out for the name brand had to go with the knockoff.
“State?!” D:<
I’m surprised by how quickly I went from “who tf could they be referring to?” to “Oh, well yeah, that would make a great deal of sense.”
The problems with that cult is that it would suicide the rest of us along with them
They did nearly have a Fringe of them do it a few years back
they seem to be wanting to ritual suicide entire countries now.
Oh no this can’t be true this would exclude major religions which are cults as well
Ehh … The definition of a cult includes things like isolating you from your friends and family, and having secret teachings that only the initiated have access to. I.e. the Freemasons: secret teachings, but does not try to isolate you from friends and family. Secret society, but not a cult. Religion is a cult in terms of the original sense of the word: organised worship, but not a cult as we think of them. Though some subsets definitely do get pretty culty. Don’t know about these days, but when I was at university the Campus Crusaders for Christ definitely had the love-bombing and isolating you from your friends and family going on.
As a Catholic by baptism and family tradition I do sometimes find Christianity a bit outdated, but I still think it’s capable of renewing.
I don’t really have time to go to church nowadays but for example when I last got to go at Easter the priest was a Russophile of all things (this happened in Hungary) and he very much made that part of his speech. Something about the Russians doing The Good Lord’s job in Ukraine, just as they did back in WWII. I’m not even kidding.
Then again when I got to regularly go to the youth service a few years back it was basically just singing to the guitar band and looking at the Bible which was really fun, the priest was very educated and seemingly didn’t have any hateful opinions, which is sadly more than you can expect from most of the clergy nowadays.
So yes TL;DR Christianity can be very fun and inclusive without acting like a cult, but the people who make up the Christian community come in all shapes and forms and sadly most of them aren’t people you would want to spend much time with, and that includes some of the priests as well whose job it should be to make people more friendly in my opinion.
Well at least these are my experiences but I haven’t ever been an integral part of any Christian Club or something like that.
Checks out with mine. There are a bunch of nice people who genuinely try to spread the whole love thy neighbour thing, and there are a bunch of weirdos who like being part of the “better” group.
Excuse you, in a religion the person at the top is dead.
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wow, you’re so edgy. I bet this gets you mad bussy.
Do you think they were trying to be “edgy” or are you just programmed to respond like this?
Humans are super susceptible to charisma, tribalism, and dogma
it’s really just americans (and maybe places heavily influenced by america ideologically I dunno) they really aren’t a major problem elsewhere noone really joins cults in the uk
Japan has a cult that carried out (I believe) the worst terrorist attack their country has ever seen
In India there is a new cult faith healer everyday, and Spoilers Alert they all want to fuck your daughter and wife in order for you to go to heaven. oh and give them all your gold and money on regular basis
China had a serious problem with cults, while Japan and Korea are heavily influenced by America, I don’t see that reflected in their cults.
Its not like the UK is less influenced by America than places were the average person has seen like 1 American TV show or movie.
I didn’t mean tv wise I meant places america occupied and are now hyper hyper capitalist like america
Are you quite sure?
When the word cult is mentioned, some people may think not only of the tragedy in Waco, Texas but also of Jonestown and the murder/suicides there on l8 November l978, when 913 died following the order of Rev. Jim Jones to drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid.
Both of these cases instantly became the focus of the worlds attention. Since the two groups were U.S. based, there is a danger that many people in the U.K. may consider the cult issue to be a North American problem and one that does not affect people here in Britain. They do so at their peril.
Figures quoted for the UK usually indicate 500+ cults in operation here. On a per capita basis the U.K. has a similar problem with the number of cults to that of the U.S.
Isn’t/wasn’t the Jesus Army cult UK based? Like, the USA just has a LOT more people than the UK does, it makes sense for there to be more people that fall into fringe groups. But the UK certainly isn’t immune to it.
Poor education, lack of a culture of walking/socializing/eating in cities (overall different city life) and the isolation of suburban car life encouraging engagement only in your preferred echo chambers /// living in the middle of nowhere seems like an amazing recipe to make many Americans predisposed to cults way more than many other countries/world
I’ve never heard of them but it’s always annoying whenever someone says something is worse in america americans will go “hurr durr america bigger so more thing happen” as though the rest of the world isn’t aware of per capita measurements it’s not just numerically a way higher percentage of americans join cults a lot of americans are predisposed to extreme religious views and searching for solutions to societal problems in religion like here that just really isn’t normal here most people aren’t that religious and it’s considered really weird and abnormal for someone to think a rapture or whatever will be the solution to a societal problem people would just laugh at you cults don’t get taken seriously here they’re funny
When looking at the kind of person most likely to fall victim to the cults, many people are surprised by the findings. The following are characteristics of the most likely cult recruit and suggest that the person:
1. Is from an economically sound family background. 2. Has average to above average intelligence. 3. Has a good education. 4. Is idealistic.Most cults can recruit and control a person in a matter of three or four days.
I think you’re just perpetuating your own opinions about this, instead of any sort of facts.
And for the majority of Americans cults just get laughed at as well. At least until it started leaking into politics, but that is being seen in many other countries now, too.
A lot of Americans are doing horrible things, and there definitely is something about the culture here that affects that, as you don’t see the mass shooting and school shooting issues in other parts of the world as strongly. But coming at this saying that it doesn’t really happen outside of the USA and that it doesn’t happen in the UK is just ridiculous. If you make a statement that infers you don’t understand per capital, then you’ll get a reply making that rebuttal.
I literally did not say they don’t happen I said they’re not a major problem they’re really rare and don’t get very big here
I saw an analysis of cults that have turned into religions - that is, outlived their founder. There’s some very specific criteria that need to be met in order for it to endure, must critically it needs a charismatic reformer/organizer to take over when the founder dies.
Lots of cults, probably most of them, exists far beyond the ten years range unfortunately.
Yeah, some of the biggest ones have existed for about 2000 years now or a bit longer
right, and they don’t fuck your wives, but your kids
The largest cults last a long time. Most cults consist of 2 people, a leader and a follower, and fizzle out when the acid wears off.
If you last longer you become a cultural heritage issue and are delegated away from cult status
I would be a fool if I gave all my money to a charlatan, and I’m no fool. That proves that Jesus IV is the real deal.
I don’t know, sounds kind of fun.
The charisma thing though, that ain’t happening
