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I’ve been a loyal Trump supporter since 2016.
I lost a job, friendships, been smeared online, doxxed, and pressed charges on people who’ve stalked and harassed me for supporting him.
If Trump doesn’t want my support, because I care about the Epstein Files, then I’m done.
Bye.
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Can’t wait to see what stupid shit he latches on to next.
Imagine losing a job and friendships to worship the star of NBC’s The Apprentice.
Imagine thinking you are the victim because you supported trump.
Imagine voting for quite possibly the biggest conman in the 21st century and get surprised when he pulls the rug out from under them.
Imagine there’s no heaven
John, hold on, it’s gonna be alright.
How does this come up as enough of an issue at work that your boss takes action on it?
By being a cunt about it every hour of every day with coworkers and customers.
Yeah, you don’t get fired for supporting a political party, you get fired for bringing it up constantly and being an ass.
If you asked my coworkers they wouldn’t know my political views.
Hell, some of my former coworkers didn’t even know I was sentient!
Are you sentient?
Hey, whatever, y’know? At the end of the day, does it even matter?
And some of the people online don’t even know he’s not.
People have called me mysterious before, yes😏
He mentioned doxxing so could be…:
He advocates for Mexican genocide or something, reshares “rapists and drug dealers”, whatever—and his boss/company execs get an emailed screenshot.
Code of conduct says racism bad, he signed it, bye.
(^ pure speculation)
Or because the person you elected has Musk lay you off.
Aka supporting the party that fired you.
Ah, so the same reason christians are “persecuted for their beliefs”.
"So are you being persecuted for believing that Jesus was the son of God? No? How about that Jesus sacrificed himself for humanity? Still no? That you should love thy neighbor as you love thyself? Not that either huh?
I wonder what it could be…"
They identify with a political group who’s primary recognizable characteristics are publicly wearing an extremely identifiable bright red hat and actively mocking and trolling their perceived opponents even in completely fictitious situations.
It’s not much of a leap to say they acted similarly at work and got fired for being an asshole constantly.
They identify with a political group who’s primary recognizable characteristics are publicly wearing an extremely identifiable bright red hat and actively mocking and trolling their perceived opponents even in completely fictitious situations.
This could also apply to a party built entirely around the Limp Bizkit song “Hot Dog,” I believe.
@halcyoncmdr @wise_pancake
> actively mocking and trolling their perceived opponents even in completely fictitious situations.the fucking irony
I’ve worked with several people that got fired in the last 8 years who claim it was their politics.
True, they all were hard right republicans with Trump/MAGA bumper stickers.
But they all got fired because of their behavior and misconduct. They are just claiming they lost their job for being Trump supporters because suddenly that means it’s not their fault and they were persecuted for beliefs and identify, not something they actually did wrong. Nobody really gave a shit about their politics and bumper stickers. Zero self awareness among this crowd; claim the victim cause of who they were then immediately turn around and spew the most foul rhetoric I’ve ever heard about LGBT youth.
To vote for this idiot you must be an idiot. Yes, everyone who is ok with trump is idiot.
Or a rapist.
Or a felon.
Or?
And!
Imagine losing your own family because they chose to do that.
Oh wait, I don’t have to, went no contact years ago.
To be fair he wasn’t the star of the apprentice he’s just the loudest asshole willing to brag about being on a dumb TV show.
And he was never really “the star”. Everyone who watched that show identified him as the villain. They watched to see how creepy and douchey he would be.
This made me think, in an alternate universe, which already semi-famous TV personality from 20ish years ago would the worst segment of a population worship?
That dog whisperer guy?
40 years ago it was Ronald Reagan.
Dog the bounty hunter?
Y’all forgot about Chuck Norris already?
On a random note, like 10 years ago one of my friends in Colorado (where Dog the Bounty Hunter is from) made a post on a forum trash talking Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife.
Shortly as afterwards a signed copy of Dog the Bounty Hunters book appeared on my friend’s doorstep that said something like:
[My friend’s real name] - heard you’re a fan. I’ll catch you next time
I should point out, my friend posted online using a user name and not his real name. It’s possible that he leaked his real name at some point?
A reality star bounty hunter exhibiting stalker behavior towards people he doesn’t like? That honestly makes so much sense. He deserves the shit talking
You’re fired
The part that chaps my ass about this is… The damage is already done. Trump can not get voted in again. He’s on his second term, of two max.
So all of this shit is too little too late. You fucked up. You fucked everything up. And now you realize the guy is a piece of shit because he won’t release a list of rich people who are paedophiles and rapists? A list he’s very likely to be on?
This is the line?
Holy shit. Of all the terrible stuff he said he would do, and all of the terrible stuff he actually has done… And you fucks put him in the office again.
And this is the point where you finally stop supporting him?
The damage has been done, yes, but we can stop further damage. If MAGA finally turns on him for being a prolific pedo, we can roll the clock back on some of this stuff. I’m afraid they’re going to have to catch him live with his dick in a minor for his base to believe it, though.
You can’t roll back the loss of 100 years of progress. Especially in the sciences since we’ve already lost a lot of the people, can’t roll back the loss of prestige, or the devaluation of the dollar, at least not easily.
Can we though? We’ve never seen a sitting US president get thrown out of the job forcibly. Some were under investigation, or indicted, but stepped down voluntarily. The courts didn’t kick them out of the job.
I do not believe, for a second, that Trump would ever be sensible enough to voluntarily step down. By the time they dragged him through the legal process of ending his term, his term would have ended anyways.
Even if we started today, the time that he would still be in office, actively harming America and Americans, would not change. We are unable to stop him because there’s simply too much red tape involved; not that you could find someone to charge, and/or prosecute him… Which is a whole other problem.
The damage is actively being done and getting worse. It will continue to get worse. And the only thing that could bring this insanity to a rapid conclusion is a radical and illegal act against the man himself. Honestly, I don’t expect anyone to be able to “Luigi” Trump.
I mean, it was built before, it can be built again. But yes, some consequences are just abject realities that we have to deal with. We’ve lost several trillions in market cap so far simply because of his trade war stunts. He is damaging institutions that Americans depend on. He is ruining our national parks and intends to sell them to the highest bidder. The erosion in trust of our commitments. The damage to scientific progress. The cultural divide as he continues to drive us apart by the day. Yeah, it’s bad.
I don’t think you’re wrong that a Luigi type situation is unlikely to happen. But even Hitler had multiple attempts on his life during his time in power. We can hope. And even if an attempt isn’t made, he’s being chased by nature, too. He is certainly not in good health and doesn’t have much longer. He may be unable to finish his term, although he’d have to be in a coma for that to happen.
Honestly, I’m a bit relieved at the current situation, because I wasn’t nearly as certain he was done. With incidents like January 6th, all the claims of voter fraud, his clear abuse of systems like presidential pardons and executive orders, I really thought Trump had a genuine chance of overturning the 2-term limit and twisting the US into a bona fide dictatorship.
I’m relieved to see his astounding incompetence finally reaping results in his polling numbers again and again, because it’s breaking the spell he seemed to have over half the country. Hell, it’s even breaking the allure of fascism in the elections of other countries at this point. His gross incompetence during this presidency is single-handedly moving the whole world a little more to the left.
I’m relieved to see his astounding incompetence finally reaping results in his polling numbers again and again, because it’s breaking the spell he seemed to have over half the country. Hell, it’s even breaking the allure of fascism in the elections of other countries at this point. His gross incompetence during this presidency is single-handedly moving the whole world a little more to the left.
I felt this exact way in November of 2020. So I hope you are right because:
With incidents like January 6th, all the claims of voter fraud, his clear abuse of systems like presidential pardons and executive orders, I really thought Trump had a genuine chance of overturning the 2-term limit and twisting the US into a bona fide dictatorship.
Jury is still out for me on this. Let’s see how the midterms go. If there is even a whiff of shenanigans, I’ll have real doubts about 2028.
You overestimate his supporters long term memory. You’re still only 6 months in, still 3.5 years left to go. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
I’d say this is silver lining on a very dark shitstorm cloud.
Who would have thought the way to make the world better would be to elect the worst of the republicans, not that other republicans are much better.
First of, Trump is not a Republican. He is Trump. Secondly, Trump has had since his first mandate a nefarious effect in politics worldwide, and he is in part why the far-right and nationalistic movements across the globe, are also rising, through the spread of misinformation on the Internet, that transcend US borders. While I was very well aware that there was a thing like anti-vaxxers in the US, that was never a problem here in Europe, and the rise of misinformation, with the pandemic, and with Trump and the MAGA movement, that became a thing now here, along with other conspiracies on Facebook, like the “Moon landing being a staged hoax”. Retired boomers, that have nothing better to do all day, gobble up that shit as if it is ambrosia!
Only by turning super-fascist can the voters get the Dems to shift left of fascist-lite
I really thought Trump had a genuine chance of overturning the 2-term limit and twisting the US into a bona fide dictatorship.
Realistically speaking, whatever chance he has had never lied with a legal election result. He was going to have to go against the constitution in a pretty blatant way anyway. So if he ever had a shot at it, he still does. Popular support no longer matters that much one way or the other, either he’s out in 2028 because he follows the rules of the democracy no matter how popular he is, or he just carries on against the constitution, which doesn’t need popular support anyway.
Still room for him to be melodramatic about something or another and declare a bogus national crisis that requires suspending elections and such. He’s declared everything an emergency to claim he has various authority, he doesn’t have to stop short of the elections themselves.
If I were you I wouldn’t be getting my hopes up. In four years, if elections still happen, MAGA is still going to vote for Trump and Vance because “A Democrat as president would be worse.” Don’t think that term limits are going to stop Trump.
A-fucking-men. These people need to know that just because the scales have fallen from their eyes, we will not be welcoming them back to the ranks of civilized society anytime soon. They may be pissed about this, but we’ve come down a long road of atrocities that they either supported or ignored, and they have a LOT to answer for in that regard. Their enthusiastic dismissal of simple human - and American - decency will not be forgotten, and all MAGAs have a long way to go to redeem themselves, which in many cases will be impossible.
For me, it’s enough for anyone to turn their back on fascism and vow to never vote for the party that endorsed fascism again.
Yeah, they’re shit heads. But they’re people too. Anyone committing to be better, has a chance.
Punishing them for doing, what they thought was the right thing to do at the time, won’t endear them to critically thinking, nor voting for the opposing party. Right now, we need them to vote these fucks out and keep them out.
Trump may be grand pubah now, but there’s a huge line of people behind him that are just as bad, or worse.
What’s stopping him from doing a Nayib Bukele and sending the National Guard to Congress to force through legislation?
At least he has a bottom line, and might think a little more critical next time, maybe. Some people just close their eyes and chant the propaganda.
Being loyal to ANY politician is insane.
I love Bernie. While I don’t agree with him on everything, he’s consistently been on the moral right side of most issues. Here he is being arrested for protesting segregation in 1963:
However. If he did even 1% of the things Trump did, I would call him out for it, demand he do better, and support his primary challengers if not. Unconditional loyalty to a politician doesn’t keep them in check, and actually harms us all…
Agreed. I like Bernie and AOC not because I always agree with them but because they both seem to be trying to make things better.
*make things better for all, not just themselves
Do you fly a Bernie flag or constantly wear a Bernie hat, or constantly spout Bernie beliefs?
I haven’t seen a single flag or hat in months but those people still live among us.
+1.
Even if someone wholesome (Mamdani?) somehow took over the Democrats, or any cool party, I would never be “loyal” to them.
Maybe this is my old millennial ass shaking my fist, but I don’t get why folks are loyal to influencers. Loyalty should be two way and reciprocal, to friends and family one knows personally, not asymmetrically to someone who makes a living from thousands following them.
Respect and admiration? Fine. But this guy’s a poster child for why loyalty is too far. After all, what does Trump think of him?
Seeing “old millennial ass” just seems so wrong.
We’re the young generation, right? We’re like, 25 at most. Right?
I’m 40. Oh my god. I need a Camaro and a broccoli haircut so I can fit in with the hip crowd. Broccoli hair is still a thing right? Haha
Man it goes so fast.
I know.
Curls into ball.
I do have natural broccoli hair, though…
As a gen y (I refuse the notion of being letterless dammit!) I have no idea what broccoli hair means…
Patrick mahomes haircut.
Lol that’s exactly what I call it. Whenever I see a group of kids with haircut, I think of them as Mahomies.
It’s a perm, but for the youths!
I didn’t either!
Perm up top, shaved sides.
Lucky! :p
At least you still have hair! I started shaving my head a few years ago at 35. Still haven’t gotten used to it, but I think it looks better than when it was thinning out in the front and getting stringy.
Not only am I blessed to have a full head of hair, but my younger brother has always been so much more handsome than me. Girls clawed to get to him, they fought to get to him.
It was so funny the other night when I was on a video call with him and his wife, and I don’t even remember the comment that I made, but she pointed out that he was bald, and I had a full head of hair and I nearly lost it.
I’m sorry that probably hurts you. It’s just a win for me, it was always so fucking easy for him. Now he’s bald and mad about it, and here I am with a beautiful lion’s mane.
He could read this comment easily, he knows all of my usernames and shit online.
So hey, I have a full head of hair asshole. Where’s your hair?
It’s so crazy though, everything I ever did, he did it better. Just across the board entirely. Still to this day, shit I busted my ass on for 25 years. He’s doing it better with no effort.
So all I really have is my hair. He has it all, the lucky bastard. It’s only right that he went bald. Nobody should be able to have it all.
Ehhh I made it longer than all the other males on my moms side. They all went bald in their mid 20s. Gotta hurt.
Mine started going grey at 30.
(hehe), sure brother, you’re still young. ::cracks open a beer and hands it to you:: have a seat in this lawn chair next to Gen X and tell us about it.
What’s funny to me is I grew up on gen x music and I remember looking up to those guys so much. They all looked like grown folks to me.
Now when I watch the videos, I see kids. It’s crazy.
This is a relatively new thing for me too.
Wait til you hit fifty, it’s really disconcerting.
I honestly doubt I will hit 50. That’s 10 years from now.
Nah bro. We fucking pogslammed right into middle age. Our TalkBoys are rapidly approaching hearing aids. Our tamagachis are now our actual children.
We old brother.
I really don’t feel like I should be. I mean, physically I guess I do. My back is always hurting.
I wish I could smack it into younger people to do the fucking things that they want to do. They’ll blink their eyes and the world will be belong to the next bunch.
Trump literally told them that he will not need them after this again. No, he does not want or care for their support!
“In four years, You don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good. You’re not going to have to vote.”
Yeah, describing yourself as a “loyal” politician supporter basically means you’ll ignore whatever wrong doing they do and root for your “team”.
Being loyal to anyone who doesn’t know your name personally is borderline insane.
I can vaguely imagine soldiers being loyal to a general in a war. If a general always seems to find a way to win, even against the odds, I can picture his soldiers being willing to… well not to die for him, but the opposite. I can imagine them being fiercely loyal and trying to protect him because he’s making sure they don’t die.
You basically plucked the thought from my head as to why I added ‘borderline’ to that sentence. Yes, in a desperate situation, it’s not insane to glom on to the safest option available.
But war has never been a great place for being rife with sane options, it’s almost always created by one or more people being insane in the first place and making it their neighbors’ problem.
Yeah, the reason why war is worse than hell is because there are no innocent people in hell.
I disagree with you on that. Hell is just God’s gator gitmo. The dictator has no review board and has never been consistent about their ethical standards (they claim to have such consistency and such a code, but beyond a few basic principles, ~90% of their code is a direct appeal to authority (might makes right), and independent review finds the consistency claims about as on par with the claims of the current POTUS.)
I feel like that ought to extend to everybody. I’m “loyal” only to the acts/values I’m on board with, and even then, not really, because I’m always open to changing my mind based on new information.
The concept of sticking with someone out of loyalty, regardless of who they are, after they’ve done something horrible, makes no sense to me, personally.
The closest I could say to being loyal would be AOC and Bernie, since I agree with most of their political stances and the things I do disagree with them on is mostly what I consider non-issues. But I’m definitely not running around waving their flag or wearing a big dumb hat to label myself, and certainly not vehemently defending any political blunder they might make.
There are friends I promised to stick around with
The Cult of Personality
Know when you get the joke a few minutes after everyone else laughed at it and it’s pretty embarrassing?
Imagine being a decade behind the curve.
Too bad they didn’t get it before November and locking us in for 4 years.
Anyways, I’m glad all those bad things happened to him.
it wasn’t even a decade, its been probably 40 years of trump having terrible media coverage
At least he wasn’t a national problem back then.
4 years if we’re lucky
I wonder how many of these people will put 2 and 2 together and question every other time Trump used the same blame the dems + shoot the messenger strategy.
It’s almost like he’s a corrupt piece of shit and this is literally his strategy for eve-ry-thing that makes him look bad.
He’s already back to tweeting shit about how Trump’s bday letter to Epstein is fake. So they learned nothing.
He realized he would lose revenue and recognition if he didn’t swing back to Daddy. Morality is dead.
Literally we pointed to his career in real-estate where he consistently ripped off contractors when he was running the first time and people said. “Yeah that’s my guy. The one that weasels out of honest deals” that’s not a business man. That’s a crook.
They’ll put 2 and 2 together and get whatever the GOP tells them. They don’t think. They won’t think. If Trump gets bad they’ll dump him, but then go for the next one. I live in a red state where we voted in some worker rights, but people still had to vote for that R… and now that the workers rights are being taken away, the republicans are still mouthing the party line of “It’s bad for business” even when they voted for it.
Almost certain I won’t. These people don’t have a very high capacity for self-awareness or self reflection. If going back to question everything Trump said only to see that he was lying the entire time, these people would have to admit that they had been duped and were wrong this entire time.
There’s anything that I’ve come to know, it’s that these people can never ever admit that they were wrong.
No, they formed some other delusion around that in order to explain away their cognitive dissonance. Their entire world would collapse around them otherwise.
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Yeah, I’d be willing to bet he votes R down ballot in all future elections.
He said he’s done with Trump. It’s Vance 2028 baby
I’m betting he’s actively demonstrating on a street corner for trump today.
And drives a mammoth truck with Trump branded truck nuts and a flag waving from the bed.
Baffling that THIS is their line.
Not that surprising. Republicans have been painting Democrats as Satanist baby killers for decades. Republicans have also been campaigning on the lie that the Epstein list is all Democrats, Woke Hollywood, and Silicon Valley Tech Bros. To the average brainwashed minion, there is zero reason to hide the client list. They want their righteous lynchings.
Also note that Trump has campaigned on “draining the swamp” a lot, and now people realize that he himself is the swamp that he rallied against.
Swamps are great. They’re havens of biodiversity. Trump is the logging machine from Ferngully, and Stephen Miller is Hexus.
Swamps are great. They’re havens of biodiversity.
i know right? in my next life there’s a 50% chance that i’ll be an insect living by a swamp
I spent a week kayaking in a burning swamp full of alligators, and I can honestly say it was the best time of my life.
Shout-out to Stephen C Foster state park in GA.
Republicans went hard on the conspiracy crowd for support. QAnon, antivax etc. /r/conspiracy became a conservative propaganda group. A lot of the diehard Trump people are very invested in this narrative.
It’s going to be difficult for the party to say, “oh yea, that thing we’ve been feeding into for years, please stop immediately” and have people listen. Some are going to go along, but a lot won’t. It’s become their identity.
QAnon, antivax etc. /r/conspiracy became a conservative propaganda group.
This is where RFKs support came from.
This is their OUT. Many of them know they’re idiots but are too proud to say they are wrong.
So when he got elected the FIRST time. He got elected twice so far don’t forget that, i was 100% convinced that people can not be this stupid and when they realize how vile and stupid he is, they suddenly just cut all ties and are gonna pretend they never voted for him and only idiots did. But no, they doubled, tripled and quadrupled down so often that i think americans are just build different and they actually don’t need a way out.
I suspect that possibly, it’s actually not about the Epstein files but about the BBB.
Notice that it’s probably not a coincidence that this drama broke out 1 week after Trump signed the BBB on July 4, which is gonna put millions of people of Medicaid.
Also notice that a lot of conservatives are probably pissed off about Medicaid but realize that it’s difficult to move their fellow people to care about this, as the point of not giving “free handouts” has been enforced too much. Instead, they focus on Epstein as it’s a moralizing drama, that people get very emotional about rather easily.
All the other bad stuff is generally stuff they wanted. They wanted authoritarian punishment of “others”, minorities and news outlets that were telling them things they didn’t want to hear. They were true believers that government regulation was incompetent and that the companies would self-regulate more effectively because capitalism would, somehow, punish them otherwise. The general grift and corruption may not have been desired, but they accepted rich people do rich stuff.
But here we have a cause that Trump’s team jumped in and cheered with these guys, and ultimately they turn around and call them fools for believing in the very same cause that folks including Donald himself said had merit.
This combined with the medicaid cuts (even as many of them were benefitting, most assumed cuts would punish some nebulous “unworthy” benefits making the system better for them) and all sorts of other austerity to… generally get no new tax cuts. The downsides are starting to hit and the logical tradeoff upsides are nowhere to be seen.
Well bye, I guess. Took him 10 years to figure out that voting for the “Punch me in the dick, repeatedly” party wasn’t a great idea.
Oh no, he’ll still vote Republican
Maybe he’ll vote for the Musk party instead, exchanging one big ego for another to worship and get disappointed by.
Yes, please split the idiot vote.
Shhhhh
Never interrupt your enemy while they’re busy fucking up
Eat your shit and choke, buddy.
This is a cult schism. Epstein is the point of cleavage between the grifters and the grifted. The grifters believe in nothing and would of course accept Trump trying to make the list go away because what they care about is keeping the gravy train going. The grifted, though, really believe in a cabal of powerful people molesting children. And however destructive they have been as a political force, they actually want to end what they think is a terrible ongoing crime. They won’t just accept it being swept under the rug.
They won’t just accept it being swept under the rug.
Lol you say that like magats ever had principles
The grifted, though, really believe in a cabal of powerful people molesting children. And however destructive they have been as a political force, they actually want to end what they think is a terrible ongoing crime.
I think the issue here is they got too close to the truth
Obvious stupidity aside went to the “non-satirical” r/conservative and even there the temperature looks bad for Trump. I’m actually surprised that there is so much negativity against Trump there now the mods were not able to delete enough comments.
Turns out the possibility that the president is a child rapist is hard to look past.
They looked past that for the last 12 years.
No, I think the media machine is trying to phase trump out, by finally rubbing it in their stupid faces, like a dog’s nose rubbed in shit.
I agree. It’s also hard for them to claim fake news when it’s from the horses mouth.
Trump has been riling up his fan base and conspiracy theorists since the election. Actually, he has been riling them up since the 2016 election by accusing the dems of all being pedophiles and saying he was going to lock them up. But in the 2024 election, he talked about Epstein specifically quite a few times and led his base to believe he would actually release the Epstein files. Unlike the economy, which you can use various metrics to claim it’s doing good or bad (stock market, grocery prices, etc.) Epstein is a pretty black and white case of “he’s literally a pedophile and was found guilty for doing lots of horrible things.” Everyone, conservatives and liberals, has spent many years rightly hating the guy, but also waiting for everyone he was involved with to also be punished. The maga base was dumb enough to believe that it was only dems and maybe a few unimportant republicans on the list, but they’re out for blood that Trump is refusing to give them, so they’re starting to actually turn on him, a little at least. Trump’s big mistake was thinking that he could use the Epstein files like he’s used everything else so far. In his mind, pedophilia is no different to Hillary’s emails: just a way to rile up his base and use their anger. He assumed that if he stopped talking about it then they would too. He’s so out of touch and evil that he didn’t realize that to the average, non-elite American pedophilia is unforgivable and it’s something conservatives will actually fight against (that’s why republicans accuse trans and gay people and basically anyone they don’t like of being a pedophile: it’s wildly effective)
The moment Trump openly starts killing brown people in his death camps they will all come running back.
“Forgive me, Daddy.”
Thoughts and Prayers
Maybe… just maybe people shouldn’t worship politicians, or anyone rich/famous to begin with. But what do I know, I’m just a simple person who doesn’t want to deport/imprison people for the color of their skin or take Medicaid and food away from the poor.
I met that vampiric looking fantastic bastard and he signed my American Football. Antiques Roadshow in 20 years so I can retire.
Or maybe not.
Caring about the Epstein Files, while also voting for Epstein’s long time good buddy. Hmm…
They hate Jews and love the Israeli government, too.
This guy doesn’t seem like a fan of Israel
B b b Bill Clinton!
