“It is my opinion that the SUV or, as it is sometimes referred to, Large Engine Vehicle, which does so well in the United States, will be a wonderful addition to the various product lines within Vietnam”
Source: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114784170652465525
Yes, the country known for driving scooters instead of cars will start buying SUVs that don’t even fit the streets in many cities
Vietnam also halted the expansion of McDonald’s because local street food is cheaper and better.
Vietnamese food is the shit
Bahn Mi every day, so fucking good.
*banh mi
But yes, so very delicious. So fresh too.
SUVs won’t work in Vietnam, not when you have Grab and scooters everywhere. It might become a rich person thing to drive around in those awful yank tanks but that’s hardly a market.
This just sounds like the VN government is just making a nothing deal sound good for Trump. Americans paying tariffs for incoming VN products versus Vietnamese paying nothing for incoming American SUVs? A product that most Vietnamese won’t find useful at all?
Ugh.
I want some bread now…
Oops, wrong spelling!
But uh, yeah, I agree, Trump got played, SUVs will take off in Vietnam as well as McDonalds did.
Trump is an actual idiot.
Not like, ad hom insult idiot.
He is just actually an idiot.
He still doesn’t understand what a trade balance even is, or that services/digital goods we export aren’t part of that number.
He’s a spoiled brat that’s gotten as far as he has by being an abusive narcissist who csn just buy his way out of everything with daddy’s money.
Holy shit yes, one of the best sandwiches in existence
Literally banh mis and other Vietnamese basically street food, pho, stuff like that, is why McDonalds didn’t take off.
Vietnam has some truly tasty and cost effective cuisine, and McDonalds was largely only eaten by corpo types just as a flex of how much money they have.
Its less nutritious, less tasty, and more expensive than what the Vietnamese have been eating for 100s, 1000s of years.
From what I understand, it’s all pretty cheap too. So the profit margins for McDs were probably thinner.
Last time I read a breakdown report on it, yeah, it was something in the range of…
A typical street vendor banh mi has more actual like weight of food in a sandwich than a McD borgor, and the McD borgor is also between 2x to 4x as expensive, depending on exactly where you are in Vietnam.
Also, lol, the vastly most profitable part of a McD meal is the soda, and then fries.
Like a drink that costs you $3.00 at McDonalds costs them fractions of a penny.
And… HFCS soda just has not worked too well in any Asian markets, basically.
Thats how you end up with like, Diet Cucumber Coca Cola in Japan, lol, a lot of Asia already also has a lot of great drinks, such as boba tea… and just actual tea, etc.
bahn mi is a great name for a vietnamese joint at a train station
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…what? Being good off-road, or on bad roads, is [supposed to be] the entire point of SUVs.
Edit: Okay, okay, I get it. Language changes and “SUV” doesn’t mean what I want it to mean. I’m well aware that I’m No True Scotsman-ing, but that doesn’t make me any less mad about it! 😠
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A truck maybe. Most SUVs are just big chunky road cars.
SUVs are supposed to be trucks with seats in the cargo area!
All the car-based junk they build these days aren’t real SUVs, and shouldn’t exist because they’re objectively inferior to station wagons and minivans.
Every SUV ought to be an acutally-off-road-capable one, and the only people who should buy them are ones who actually take them off-road.
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A truck maybe. Most SUVs are just big chunky road cars.
They’re just a classification meant to evade certain regulations to sell worse cars based on a few metrics regarding things like clearance. Given the point is to avoid having to make a decent car…
Those car-based junk things are actually called “crossover SUVs”, but the manufacturers are now just calling them SUVs, at least where I’m from.
I refuse to call anything without a proper transfer case an SUV personally. Hell, even the German luxury SUV barges at least have transfer cases with electronic locking of some sort. But plenty of crossovers have open center diffs with only traction control to facilitate “locking” it.
Its true that around the origin of SUVs, yes, this was the point, and many could… not offroad as well as a specifically off road geared vehicle, but could offroad a lot better than a sedan.
But, now its been 20ish years, and broadly, manufacturing standards / quality control are shit ass fuck tier bad, everything is desiged to break just after your warranty expires, and are also intentionally engineered to be nightmares to try to self repair, or just literally impossible to do this due to ‘everything’s computer!’ (unless you also want to hack your car)…
… so those offroad capabilities are functionally no longer present, beyond I guess all wheel drive as a mode.
Really, these days, an SUV is just a minivan that seats less people, doesn’t have a sliding door, costs a fuckton more, has better ground clearance, and ‘looks cooler’.
Pretty similar MPG.
Supposed to be, according to markering. Isn’t. I think only half of SUVs sold in the US even have 4 wheel drive. This is fine because in the US most pickups and SUVs are just massive pavement princesses anyway.
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I mean, I own an old SUV myself (a real one, that I got specifically for off-roading and backcountry camping). I’m just not so anti-social as to daily-drive it in the city.
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With their weight and the lower profile tires that come stock, and how they’re kinda just like regular cars but bigger in every way except where it counts, they really aren’t. Their single big advantage is the ground clearance but many actually have bodies that come surprisingly low. One the OG Ford Rangers would be great, but only if it had 4x4 because all those RWD only trucks, especially when they have nothing in the back, are essentially worthless due to the total lack of traction. They’re also super long, which makes maneuvering difficult in tight spaces so obstacles you could have gone around are now barriers you have go through. Besides, my BRZ doesn’t explode when it hits a pothole or touches a gravel road and in fact does quite well, even when it was lowered by an inch. Hilariously, unlike many vehicles the BRZ comes with a metal skid plate by default to protect the oil pan from the road.
Trucks and SUVs are terrible. Body on Frame vans and smaller unibody work vans are incredible but most people are too stupid and/or insecure and vain to buy them instead.
The real problem there would be gas stations. Even Top Gear used scooters and motorcycles when they did a trip in Vietnam. And the big moron hated motorcycles.
don’t be surprised when the capitalists see this obvious issue as an “opportunity” for development of bigger streets etc. ie: profit.
Of course… Ford Explorers and Lincoln Escalade are already being prepared for sal… wait… never being shipped to Vietnam.
This reads like he still, even after everything, doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
I honestly can’t decide if he just really doesn’t know or he’s this consistently dishonest. It’s hard to pick cuz I have trouble believing he could be that consistent about anything.
@njm1314 @KoboldCoterie he’s a conman, so pretty consistent with whichever lies the con depends on, like LEV generally means Low Emission Vehicle. He knows how tariffs work, but won’t admit that. Keeping cult members in a disinformation bubble is the whole game.
Why did you tag both of those users?
Mastodon does that
Oh, weird.
Probably using Mastodon
It think he’s role playing as a “wildcard” character. He actually has said he likes being unpredictable to keep people on their toes.
He doesnt care how they work.
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Frustratingly his constant repeating of this backwards understanding is working. It’s starting to widely take hold and resistance in the face of constant misinformation is breaking down. I heard in the last week NPR and the BBC repeat the “foreign country will pay” as fact, not a quote, with no effort to correct or clarify.
What’s the saying? Repeat a lie enough and it becomes reality?
Neither do the people
whomwho voted. This is why an educated population is very important*who
Yeah, me bad engrish
just never say whom if you have any doubt ever, it’s really unnecessary in this century
For him to start to understand would imply the ability to learn
Uh, he doesn’t.
He still doesn’t understand how tariffs work.
As I keep saying: It sounds like he thinks the word “tariff” just means “payment”. Then he follows that with “[whoever he thinks should make the payment]”. Tariff by Apple, Tariff by China, etc. Honestly. I don’t know how else you can make it make sense.
My supposition is that he’s a complete moron following advice from someone working off a protectionism 101 primer from 1834 who had Randian bullshit physically replace his brain to the point where they don’t do the rest of the steps to make the protectionism work because that’s the government doing stuff and therefore communism
True, but there’s zero chance he had anything to do with this tweet.
There is a severe lack of capitalization
Feels like “my Great Honor” (?!?!?!) is a giveaway though lol.
I have never once heard anyone ever refer to an SUV as a ‘Large Engine Vehicle’. Am I just unaware, or is this trump being a complete idiot again?
He’s trying to flood google results for low emissions vehicles
He didn’t actually say this, someone with access to his TS/Twitter account did. They don’t know wtf SUV stands for and probably made it up.
So they also have to imitate his illiterate misuse of title case for Important Words, random quotation marks for “emphasis”, and littering of SHOUTY WORDS, not to mention his bizarre self-aggrandized tone and his ridiculous ways of ending messages that he thinks makes them look more important? Thank you for your attention to this matter.
hey, leave the Improper-Title-Case-Users alone, you’re going to alienate the Germans
Debatable who’s using Titlecase improperly, the Ones actually using it to convey Meaning and structure a Sentence, or the Ones afraid of Capitalisation and Compoundwords slightly longer than Banana. #Mikrofonfallenlassgeräusch
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“When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.”
I hate this comment so much.
Those who speak the Truth are frequently hated.
I’d say it is an obvious way to try to confuse BEV with LEV… To sell more ICE-cars…
Most SUVs these days don’t even have the ‘Large Engines’ of old.
My wife’s SUV has a smaller engine then my 2.0 Subaru which is crazy to me
them putting lawn mower engines into the cars would certainly explain the dogshit emissions
Could the term be something specific to Vietnam? Like is it a trade term?
It’s not.
Jesus Christ, why the fuck are people trying to make sense of his insanity?
The term large engine vehicle sounds like came from the same guy that coined big dick energy
Vietnam will pay the US a tariff? What?
It’s for his idiots. He doesn’t care what you think or believe
Know. I don’t think or believe how tariffs work, I know how tariffs work. I know he doesn’t care about that either though
Trump still doesn’t know what a tariff is.
Lol, one visit to Vietnam can easily show you why an SUV is not going to be a hit there. It’s basically motorcycle country. Cars are pretty common too, but motorcycles are basically THE form of transportation there.
Unfortunately their governemnt is investing heavily into car only infrastructure which bikes aren’t allowed to use. It’s frustrating to see considering their cities are already at maximum traffic with motorbikes alone. Adding cars to the mix there just isn’t possible.
Also there’s no way that US automakers will be able to outcompete Vinfast and Chinese EVs who are working with better subsidies and significantly cheaper labor.
That’s ok, there will be a statement at some point in the near future from some Vietnamese official denying that any of this post from Trump is true.
This has been the pattern, I’ve no doubt it will continue to be.
time to invent the SUV-motorcycle
It’s called a bmw gs
Are those motorcycles with Large Motors
Boss Hoss
Boxer engines with 1100, 1200 or 1300 ccm.
Some of the best touring motorcycles you can imagine.
And their streets are narrow, especially in the French quarter of Hanoi and other older areas. The vehicles in use currently are often very small to make it easier to navigate the narrow roads (and street/laneway parking) and like you mention - the scooters, which are like 90% of vehicle traffic.
I’m in Hanoi right now. Theres quite a few SUVs and crossovers. Maybe between 1:4 and 1:8 cars to bikes.
Mostly Kias and Toyotas, I saw 1 Ford Explorer.
1:4 is a wild ratio. I can’t picture that in Saigon, but maybe Hanoi is a lot different
It’s so bad for the flow of traffic.
I can only pray the government does something to discourage cars and encourage electric bikes before it gets worse.
I was in Saigon in 2016 and there were quite a few SUVs, lots of larger Toyotas like Land Cruisers for Uber, etc.
So American will pay between 20 and 40% tax on goods coming from Vietnam but the Vietnamese can buy US goods with no tax?
Cool.
Do Americans know this?
It’s protectionism, and the Democrats do. Republicans don’t know what a tariff is.
It’s funny. 20 to 40 tax on Americans and none on the Vietnamese and he thinks that people who make an average of USD$8,000 per year are going to buy $100,000 US SUVs. He’s a delusional idiot.
I some times ask myself is it dementia or imbecility?
Does that man understand the bullshit coming out of his holes, or is it the narcism that makes him talk and talk and talk, no matter how much lunacy is it the words leaving him…
If I had no idea who he was, I could give extreme benefit of the doubt and say it’s spin. Claiming a loss is really a win.
But we do know who he is, so I’m going with imbecility.
I clicked on the link and There’s no german page for that… but there’s a page in Pfälzisch, the dialect people in the german region Palatinate (Pfalz) speak.
Yes
Yes
Every single Vietnamese person I’ve known has only driven motorcycles or scooters, because the roads are already too congested to handle large vehicle traffic. I know autos are available for hire, but realistically is it even worth owning an American SUV in Vietnam?
I’ve been to HCM city and the streets are a river of scooters. These numbers are definitely off but I remember a tour guide saying there were something like 14 million people and 16 million scooters or (I forget the actual numbers). I gotta go back there it was so much fun. Amazing food, nice people and the best coffee i’ve ever had.
Crossing the street in Vietnam is the weirdest experience: you just slowly shuffle out, and this literal sea of mopeds parts around you like a school of fish around a shark
And how many people can afford one even at zero tariffs?
Surprisingly probably a lot. My Vietnamese coworkers always go on about how its hard to go back and visit because it costs a lot over there now and how it isnt the place they left
Toyota hilux is the large car of choice there from what I saw. Dual cab for the family, rear tray for goods carrying and enough off road capacity for when the rain or jungle gets out of hand.
Does Trump actually think that Vietnam pays the tariffs?
No but he knows his idiot cult followers believe what he wants them to believe.
He might think it too.
Have you seen how tiny the roads are there?
And how shitty american cars are?
And how close japan and China are?
You should be able to fit at least one SUV:
You can totally fit 3!
That’s an alley, not a road. They have perfectly normal sized roads in Vietnam.
Trump’s gone woke, he’s making deals with socialists! Quick, cancel his DEI funding!
Somebody check his gender.
I’m so confused? Why would Vietnam agree to a one sided “free” trade agreement.
Assuming trump has wildly oversimplified the details to sound better than they are.
Because they get cheaper tariffs on exports to the US, in the knowledge that they don’t want to import much at all from the US, so it makes Trump think he has something when he has nothing.
For Vietnam a bad deal is probably better than no deal. But also, don’t believe anything Trump says.
US goods will be cheaper in Vietnam compared to other countries in the region. US companies will be more likely to invest in Vietnam compared to other countries in the region. If 20% is low relative to where their regional competitors end up it’s not a bad deal. I don’t think a lot of US produced goods compete with local products so its not likely to cause domestic industry much problems.
Until he changes his mind next week.
Quite a few companies in China have been outsourcing to Vietnam to avoid tariffs during the first Trump administration. They didn’t reverse course after the Biden administration increased tariffs further.
Even if Trump didn’t touch the 25% special tariff on Chinese goods, 20% alone justifies doing so.
Some countries are caving to US on war. Some on trade. VN was threatened with 46% tariffs. The 40% transhipment rate is something easily avoided. I doubt VN will import more from US. VN making a deal can still provide best value apparel to US
I suspect they are “caving” a lot like Mexico and Canada “caved” earlier-the request made is already fulfilled.
He’s got an extensive history of lying about (among so many things) what so-and-so told him in a private meeting, only to be called out and contradicted by that very person the following day.
Throw another one on the pile, most likely.
VinFast is state owned and gets a pile of subsidies on every vehicle sold. There’s also piles of taxes and regulations applied to other vehicles. The US vehicles will be uncompetitive.
I, for one, have never in my life heard an SUV referred to as a Large Engine Vehicle
Why would Vietnam be paying the tariff on Vietnamese goods going into the US? I swear the definition of a tariff changes every time I see it mentioned.
He’s always said that tariffs are paid by the exporting country to the importing country. He’s wrong of course, but at least he’s consistent.
It’s not wrong, it’s a lie. He does absolutely know how tariffs work, but he also knows that most Americans don’t, I can promise you, if you ask a dozen random strangers who pays the tariffs, you will end up hearing the presidents words.
Trumponomics makes all this tricky math and policy shit so easy to understand!
“They pay, so they lose, which means we win.”*
* Disclaimer: They never pay. It’s always us.
SUV=SubUrban Vehicle
That’s what I thought the acronym stood for when I was younger, because I would usually see them in suburbs. Now that I’m older, I refuse to call them sport utility vehicles because suburban vehicle is a much better description of their intended use-case.
They’re great at driving onto sidewalks, or over the curb if the person in front is taking too long at the drive thru.
Considering there is nothing sport or utility about them, I think your name for them is fitting.
Volvos for dads
