The names don’t have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means “he who hears”. Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means “rock”. So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
Hmm, makes it more likely that Jesus never existed and the whole thing is made up by the church, imo. It’s always retrospective with names and meanings, especially if you name them “foundation”.
There is historical account of him, just not from contemporary figures.
There are Roman historians who write of him, but they came years after.
It is generally accepted that the Christ figure is based on a historical figure however the story we are told now is much more tenuous as it is largely based on written works from folks who are retelling tales that may (or may not) have been known
Mind you we also have historical writings about Santa Claus
they don’t really talk of Jesus specifically though that’s the kicker.
If Jesus did miracles and had such an impact on the empire his name would be known his story would be better known.
The claim that Roman historians wrote about him is semi true they claim there are Christians and they have a Messiah but they never talk about what he did or anything. They mostly speak of the persecution of these people. So it makes a lot of things we think about Jesus unverified.
The only thing we know is Pontius Pilate under the rule of Tiberius allegedly killed their Messiah. That’s it.
The name Jesus, who he was or what he did is unverified and likely largely stolen. I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh was tied to being a carpenter or a son of a carpenter for instance
I’m simply saying there is a historical figure who fits the bill BUT the story as folks know it now starts as a retelling of a tale by people who came later.
So it starts with an untrustworthy narrator.
I’m not trying to say he existed one way or the other just that it’s more likely a guy did exist who loosely fits the bill and the story as we know it was able to grow and be built from there.
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock… Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called “Petronila” because were born in March 18th
The names don’t have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means “he who hears”. Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means “rock”. So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I’m fond of.
Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says “Broadly speaking-” To which Plato responds “Yes I was now shut up”
I am amazed that the name “Pierre” (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for “rock”
Rome and it’s consequences
Hmm, makes it more likely that Jesus never existed and the whole thing is made up by the church, imo. It’s always retrospective with names and meanings, especially if you name them “foundation”.
Jesus obviously existed. He wasn’t a god (he never claimed he was) but he obviously existed.
No, it’s not obvious at all. There’s no historic account of him aside of the bible. And yeah, the trinity thing, that was the church ~300 a.c.
There is historical account of him, just not from contemporary figures.
There are Roman historians who write of him, but they came years after.
It is generally accepted that the Christ figure is based on a historical figure however the story we are told now is much more tenuous as it is largely based on written works from folks who are retelling tales that may (or may not) have been known
Mind you we also have historical writings about Santa Claus
they don’t really talk of Jesus specifically though that’s the kicker.
If Jesus did miracles and had such an impact on the empire his name would be known his story would be better known.
The claim that Roman historians wrote about him is semi true they claim there are Christians and they have a Messiah but they never talk about what he did or anything. They mostly speak of the persecution of these people. So it makes a lot of things we think about Jesus unverified.
The only thing we know is Pontius Pilate under the rule of Tiberius allegedly killed their Messiah. That’s it.
The name Jesus, who he was or what he did is unverified and likely largely stolen. I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh was tied to being a carpenter or a son of a carpenter for instance
There are no contemporary records of Jesus.
Even of Pilate killing a guy named Jesus.
It all came later.
I’m simply saying there is a historical figure who fits the bill BUT the story as folks know it now starts as a retelling of a tale by people who came later.
So it starts with an untrustworthy narrator.
I’m not trying to say he existed one way or the other just that it’s more likely a guy did exist who loosely fits the bill and the story as we know it was able to grow and be built from there.
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock… Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
I thought Dwayne meant pipe?
Now everything make sense. In spanish, “Peter” is “Pedro”, that sounds like “Piedra”, that means “Rock”
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See also ‘petrify’ (make into rock) and ‘petroleum’ (rock fat)
The female for “Pedro” is “Petra”, what make it more obvious, and also “Petronila” is a woman name, that comes from “Petroleum”
I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum
Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called “Petronila” because were born in March 18th
I take it back, that’s a cool tradition
“The name’s Diesel now”
omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means “rock”! i always assumed that was a coincidence
Matthew 16:18
BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.
You can see them too?
Don’t know why you got downvoted, because that is some very good information. Thanks.