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I’ve still got some CDs and a burner. I’m gonna go burn one just to spite this.
i burned a cd 2 weeks ago.
Ok, boomer
unneccessarily rude!
They might be just genX.
millennial. turned 40 this year.
Ok dad
Ok zygote
holy cow, how are you still not in bed, kid! Off you go!
I’m a millennial and I burned a CD last month
Okay Xoomer
That’s just zoomer again
It’s pronounced Ex-oomer
Exhume her? I barely knew her!
everyone forgets about gen x
No we fuckin don’t, you lot wont let us forget you.
…who?
I don’t think burning CDs was much of a boomer activity.
The phrase just means, “alright old person” now.
And I declare that calling someone a cunt now means that you like and respect that person. Please go ahead and use it on your boss next time you see them.
CD players were first sold in 1982, when Boomers (if the baby boom started 1945) were hitting their 40s and established in every industry. I think they were actually the perfect demographic to be able to afford a CD player when it first came out.
First affordable CD burner was from 1995. 50 year olds tend to not adopt new technology, it’s a millennial thing.
https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/consumer-cd-r-drive-priced-below-1000/
As someone who worked sales in that time period, yes, it was the younger crowd (Gen X) that adapted much better to burning CDs. A lot of the baby boomers had difficulty with understanding certain key concepts and details. … And instructions to be honest…
As for the “Boomer” commenter above: the military and government in the USA still burns to CD for a variety of reasons (no, I won’t go into them). So if someone is military, a government employee, or even just a contractor, there is a chance that at some point they will need to burn a CD, regardless of age.
In Germany MRI and CT images are regularly handed to patients on CDs.
Germany is also technologically 30 years behind the rest of the world…
Same in the US.
Really? Cause in my time in the army I never once saw any kind of military information being saved to cd. Not once. Never. Even in the early 2000s that was just never a thing. Ever.
Sounds like you might not have been part of a team that needed to do so. In the environments I had been part of, they had requirements for it.
Navy.
I requested my medical records from my time in the military in 2014 and received them on CD. Which was funny because I didn’t have a computer that could read them at the time, and I still haven’t read them. Turns out the information i needed was already available to the people giving my c&p exam
Shut up. They’re supposed to forget about us.
It’s a gen-x thing, you know, the forgotten generation.
Lived through the “DOUBLE SPEED!!!” reader up to the 52 some read-write-rewrite.
I had several generations, and it was always a huge speed increase. 52x was like lightning
52x baby. Much speed. Such fast.
Yet again, GenX is overlooked.
I’m in my 40s now and I definitely did not burn near as many CDs as my dad did (he was born in '49)
Yeah but burning CDs yourself wasn’t a thing until much later.
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No boomers are the ones reading the CDs not writing them. Their kids are writting them.
… and you didn’t know it was the last time
Every time is the last one, at least for a while
naw, we have a cd juke box at my work. pretty sure ill be burning them for the foreseeable future.
Still in denial, I see /hj
/hj? Did you just give him a handjob?
the floaties got in the way
No, it means “half joking” /s
he did tho
Wait, so they’re only half joking about the handjob?
Did I get here too late?
Cd…or DVD?
cd, thats why i said cd.
I still burn CDs. This whole streaming thing won’t last. Also, my back hurts…
The real meta is to have a hard drive full of flac files and use tailscale to stream them wherever you are from your computer at home
That’s the dream. Currently debating what to do with a spare laptop and “make it a server” sounds ideal.
I suggest Navidrome
The main thing you need to worry about in that case is the battery. It’s useful to have a built in UPS, but definitely keep an eye on it, especially after keeping it plugged in for long periods of time.
I need to learn how to do this.
Start with Plex and learn from there.
Jellyfin
That’s step two.
I plan to do so myself. Basically find a Linux package that streams audio on your LAN and get tailscale
Plexamp is also good for this
Yeah well… Can you set the time on a VCR?
CDs are geat, still burn them all the time. I have a Jellyfin server that hosts my digital music collection, but sometimes I may be going on a long drive without internet and CDs are unmatched for that. No battery, no internet requirement, and hold hundreds of hours of music in a a small book in my backseat.
We’re the same, you and I!
I have an old android phone running lineage and I host a hotspot if I want it to have data, it’s amazing how well Android Auto works without Internet access compared to having data though.
I thought that I burned my last cd a long time ago until my uni required me to hand in my thesis on a cd.
Buying a 4-pack of CDs (with cases) was more expensive than buying a 128gb sd card.
I burned an audio CD just a few weeks ago. My car doesn’t have Bluetooth audio, so I’ve kept going old school all along. I bought a few stacks of empty CD-R’s and DVD-R’s when the stores wanted to get rid of them.
I have zero streaming subscriptions and no intention of getting any. The number of films, games and music albums I’ve bought from flea markets and second hand stores during the past 10 years has to be in the hundreds. And not one has cost more than 3$.
Even my kids haven’t complained about the lack of streaming, they seem perfectly happy using my physical media library.
Yep, don’t give in to ease of streaming, that’s how they win, and take it all from you. Everyone needs to own what they pay for.
Yep. My brother has at least 4 streaming subscriptions that add up to closer to 100$ per month. I once asked him how much he actually uses them and his response was: “I don’t know, many times a week! But it’s nice to have them if I want to watch something!”
To me the idea of basically throwing away more than 1000$ per year is simply horrifying.
And not even owning it…and they’ll keep upping the price little by little, slowly sucking us dry
Whoa, you sound exactly like an improved version of me!
Where do you get .wav files these days??
I get them by ripping CD:s or digitizing vinyl albums.
EDIT: Typo.
I laugh when people think cds are old. They’re still the best form of digital physical media. Now I prefer analog media of course, but convenience and portability of digital is nice.
Compact Disc Digital Audio is difficult to improve upon in terms of quality. For day to day listening I’ll either use mp3 or FLAC but especially as the streaming services enshittify I’ll take my media on CD, thanks.
Both of my cars have CD players, I probably ought to burn some discs to listen to. I often drive in silence these days.
It depends, I believe actual tape keeps data usable way longer than CDs.
I mean, most likely any pirated ZX Spectrum software on old audio cassettes will work.
That’s so cool. I do a lot with audio tape (mostly 1/4" 7.5ips and 15ips), but never data tape.
Naw, not yet. I still burn a few a year. Amazing how entertaining it can be in a older car.
Oh I knew. It was the last CD in the spindle and I had no plans of buying any more.
Remember me Nero Express, good memories, awesome name for a CD burner.
My brother recently found 15 year old CDs with family photos and they still work.
It’s funny how video game media often degrades quickly due to use, but well-packaged and lightly used discs can last for many years. Maybe still a great solution for data that doesn’t need to be accessed constantly.
Except disc rot is a thing.
It’s why I’ve gone through all of my old media and transferred them to my media PC. But I have to admit it’s more satisfying when it’s in the form of physical media, when it’s all computer files I hardly ever look at them.
That’s me. ADD and 678 folders of digital media is not fun. I need physical. Plus, it’s actually real then.
As a kid I always thought that Nero is a stupid name for a program because in Finnish nero means genius. To be honest I still think that it’s a stupid name.
Burning one today just because of this post.
lightscribe for old time’s sake?
— still use one of these from 2011.Me too! I recently put Linux on it and it runs like a brand new computer.
I run Linux on my daily driver, but I’m addicted to the click wheel iPod and I use this machine because of iTunes.
I wish I still had my click wheel iPod…
You can pick up refurbs with 1T solid state drives.
I have two absolutely gorgeous Nanos with zero battery bulge and not a single device that can run iTunes. I even have the 30 pin cable. Once upon a time I would’ve used the family PC but that thing has more viruses than the hospital thanks to my little sister.
I like using my own library of MP3s and knowing that for at least a small amount of time, I’m not being tracked in terms of what I’m listening. My clickwheel has a solid state terabyte so I just threw everything onto it.
If you long to use those nano-s, there are some cheap old Mac’s showing up on eBay or Craig’s list sometimes.
There where points in time where I had a lightscribe disk, and points in time where I had a lightscribe drive. But never both at the same time. I feel like this says something, but I dunno what.
I went out of my way to buy a LightScribe drive for my 2008 build [C2D E8400, 4GB DDR2 800, AMD HD 4870, Vista Ultimate + Linspire], and I never even used the feature. Burned less than a dozen discs total as well.
I feel like optical media died around that same time. Netflix introduced its streaming service, torrents entered the mainstream, Blu Ray flopped, and MP3 players replaced CD players (and then streaming replaced MP3 players shortly after). Didn’t even bother with an optical drive in my 2014 build [i5-4670K, 16GB DDR3 1866, GTX 780, Win8.1 + Ubuntu]. Current build doesn’t have one, either [7700X, 32GB DDR5 6000, 4090, Win11 + Arch]. Just been hanging onto the same drive since 2008, for the rare occasion that I actually need to burn a disc. At this point it’s been over 5 years.
I have a CD player in my 2004 car and I burn CDs regularly.
I have a 2005 car, but I don’t burn CDs. I plug my phone into a cassette adapter.
Burning cds of my punk band to sell
Encountering the first bunch of “I don’t own a cd player” people.
Cracking the music biz during the collapse of it was a bad idea.
All a part of corpos plan to make it so you can never own anything ever again. Subscriptions only. Drink a verification can to skip song.
Work with medical data in Germany and you’ll burn CDs every day, probably for the next 50 years.
Yeah, I have a CD with some x rays lying around here somewhere.
Although the MRT images I got done recently were accessed via QR code (+password) on an online portal, so yay progress.
Little known fact, German doctors love to make cd’s for every procedure. The most famous of these as shown by German medical data is Heinrich’s Proctology Polka Mega Mix.
I burn Blu-rays once in a while. They work for backup.
They don’t last very long. About 5-10 years at most, and that’s if you bought special archival burnable DVDs. If you depend on them for backups, you should check the integrity annually (always include a checksum like SHA256 with any backup archive).
I have CDs that I burned in the 90s that still work fine. I’m assuming the blu-rays I burn now will probably last as long, which is decades longer than I need them to.
I heard that the higher the data density on DVD and BR means the higher the failure rate. Though i have no real evidence of that myself.
Maybe one or two bits corrupted here or there will only cause some unnoticeable artefacts anyway.
Music CDs or data? Music CDs have built-in error correction, data CDs don’t. You can certainly extend the lifetime if they’re stored in the dark in a cool, dry place (UV light, heat, and humidity all damage the dye that gets burned to encode them) but they’re not reliable archival storage without error correction.
Data CDs actually use even more robust error correction since they use interleaving in addition to FEC since they don’t need to scan in “real time”
Music. I have some data CDs I burned in the mid 2000s, that I booted up a few years ago (Linux live CDs). I don’t have any data CDs from the 90s though. IIRC, ISO 9660 does have error correction.
Edit: I just looked it up. ISO 9660 doesn’t have error correction, but the underlying system, CD-ROM Mode 1, does have error correction.
…you need so much specific equipment. You do realise that the day blue ray was announced we collectively gave up on physical data storage in the form of polished mineral disks right?
So much equipment.
First you have to buy the DVD writer and then you also have to get yourself blank DVDs.
We definitely did not gave up on discs. They may no longer be mass consumer oriented. But bluray for backup, archiving and data transfer are still a thing. Nothing beats the bandwidth of a plane filled with hard drives. The media itself is not relevant, magnetic tape is still available and used to this day. The first time I held more than a terabyte in my hand was in a data tape cartridge. Consumer hard drives hadn’t gotten there yet. Even today, new optical media is being researched. There are fascinating breakthroughs on laser engraved crystal storage.
Anyways, I just wanted to remember that wasteful mass consumption media is not representative of humanity as a whole.
Aren’t SD cards higher data capacity than HDDs at this point? Sure maybe not per unit or cost but for the volume of space I am pretty sure HDDs lost a while ago.
High capacity SD have a miserably failure rate with regular use. In PI’s and dashcams many only get a couple of years before they start having errors. USB thumb drives do better but they have heat problems. neither are great for backups unless you just do a lot of write once and store
Could just have more than 1 backup though, then it doesn’t really matter much if the storage is less reliable as its very unlikely for multiple to fail at the same time
Today? Of course. But until recently that wasn’t the case. Longevity though.
We got prediction of sector failure rates on HDDs and magnetic tapes down to a science. Makes archiving really easy as you know with statistical significance how often to test, copy and move data, to preserve it virtually forever (as long as there is someone maintaining the archive).
Solid state memory can be extraordinarily dense, but the denser it gets, the more it’s prone to corruption and failure. Worse still, when solid state fails, the whole storage unit becomes obsolete, and data gets nightmarishly hard to extract, maybe even gone forever. Only with very rare and specialized workshops that have the equipment to do it. On the other hand, I’ve seen technicians recover data from tapes that were literally in a fire, right there on the field with bog standard equipment.
When you factor in that the average cost of a terabyte of magnetic storage is less than half of the average cost of a terabyte of solid state, then a few cubic centimeters of space per unit become practically irrelevant. Corporate settings actually prefer more smaller storage units than larger, as they cause less trouble when they fail. Redundancy is a numbers game.
I just use a USB Blu-ray burner. Similar to this one:
Polished mineral? Like a silicon wafer? um??
NOOOOO! You must use cheap AliExpress SSDs, because something something 1980’s tech something something technological advancements must be pushed at all cost!
Tape or bust (if you can afford it)
Was looking for a cheap tape drive, couldn’t find any.
DIY Tape Drive:
- Keep the core-rings remaining from sticky tapes that you use.
- When you are about to finish your fourth, save some tape
- Peel the remaining tape and encircle 2 of the core-rings
- Do the same with the other 2 core-rings and remaining tape
- You might want the amount of tape used to be same for both the pairs
- Connect core-rings to the axle of your choice
eBay and the 1980s may be helpful
I use them all the time. If you plan to leave any data behind that even theoretically exists in 50 years, readable or not, optical media is your only option. Or Ardrive if you want to spend 1000x the amount and make it public. Or microfilm if you are a masochist. In case you plan on leaving any videos around for your grandchildren.
I’ve never had a Blu-ray player and at this point I expect I never will.
