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Why do people care so much? Idgaf who uses which bathroom. Do people have men and women’s bathrooms in their own homes?
Let’s just go to all gender bathrooms with highly private stalls like every other civilized country
We already are in my city, it’s really nice to see.
I hope she sues them. It’s the only way these shitty companies will learn.
I wish she maced him.
If anyone questions actual trans women, they should say they were only in the women’s washroom to look for other males.
Not so keen on your use of “other” here.
I think in this context it’s to make a joke about the male hotel guard going into the women’s bathroom to check for “other males”
Yes, I wasn’t sure, but it doesn’t quite come across right.
The terms “male” and “female” refer to sex while “man” and “woman” refer to gender. A trans woman is male by definition.
Are ya feeling safer, fellow women?
Wait wait wait… So a man barges into a women’s bathroom to pull out a woman just to make sure there are no men in there
My mind is stuck in an endless logic loop
The women in the bathroom complained so there is more than this guard at play
Oh yes, you’re right. What’s at play is plain anti trans discrimination pushed by a government wanting to distract the populace from looking while they rob the state blind
The Liberty Hotel initially defended the guard’s actions in a now-retracted statement, claiming “several guests alerted security about two adults occupying a single bathroom stall” and asserting that a physical altercation occurred. Baker and Victor denied those claims outright.
“If that’s what he thought the issue was once he opened the stall door, obviously there was only one person in there, so it should’ve been case closed,” Victor said. “Let her tie up her shorts and go about her day.”
So the guard actually opened the stall door while she was still using the toilet, found a woman in there, and then stuck around to demand ID to prove she was a woman? What a weird thing to do.
I remember back years and years ago conservatives who regularly used unisex bathrooms losing their shit over gender neutral bathrooms because women were afraid of men entering the bathroom at the same time and forcing open stall doors to take a peek.
And here we are except it was those petrified conservatives doing the forcing and peeking. Guess they were afraid of themselves.
Guess they were afraid of themselves.
That seems to drive a whole lot of right-wing attitudes. “Everyone is like me, therefore everyone is scary and dangerous.” But without the self-awareness.
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Where does the article say that?
“ The Liberty Hotel initially defended the guard’s actions in a now-retracted statement, claiming “several guests alerted security about two adults occupying a single bathroom stall” and asserting that a physical altercation occurred. Baker and Victor denied those claims outright.”
Yea, they complained about multiple people in a stall which is typically legitimately weird behavior and then Paul Blart, mall TERF took it on himself to be a bigot for reasons completely unrelated to customer complaints.
Anybody remember those SNL skits where a character named Pat was not clearly male or female, and the whole joke was how everyone was just confused about how to address them but still ended up being polite and friendly? I don’t understand how our culture got from there to people demanding proof of gender from strangers.
Fascism.
There’s actually a documentary coming out soon that analyzes Pat through a 2025 lens. I’m excited to see it.
Ooh that does look good! Will keep an eye out for this one.
i love movies like that, too, but it definitely wasn’t popular when it was released. and pat was always the butt of the joke. i also have to check my “but we cured racism in the 90s” indoctrination sometimes. fresh prince made me think things were a lot better than they really were back then.
fresh prince made me think things were a lot better than they really were back then.
Fresh Prince had a lot of references to the fact that racism was alive and well in the 90s. Many of those episodes also focus around the theme that even though the Banks’ were wealthy, it still didn’t stop them from being discriminated against, and even caused discrimination from other black people.
The white cops were ready to pepper spray the Banks’ until his white partner shows up
It’s Pat, the movie, was a notorious commercial bomb, and sold basically no tickets.
It was made, though, because the recurring SNL sketch was popular enough to attract the investment.
The second statement is true, and yet hyperbolic. That was the same time that they made the Coneheads movie, another bomb about SNL characters that had not been on screen in like 20 years. And like five other bombs on the same model.
Blues Brothers and Wayne’s World were successful enough that people forget that they originated as SNL sketches. And, because they were the first, they kept on trying.
The category as a whole isn’t exactly very impressive, as movies.
But the originating sketches that developed the characters were…fine.
Yeah, I was a kid when SNL was still airing those skits and they didn’t feel enlightened to me at all. Like, this is the same show that “joked” that Brandon Teena (who was already known to be murdered at that point) deserved to die for reporting his rape. Like, not as a shocking thing a heel would say, just a crass joke. It was hilarious to people then, that’s the environment It’s Pat is in.
The 90s were fucked up, y’all.
And what’s more, ignoring that proof even when presented.
republicans
The worst part is they suspended him versus firing his creepy ass.
My wife and I went to what we thought was a suuuuper leftist bar in Berlin; Marxist stuff all over the walls, anti-Nazi stuff, etc., but the bartender stopped my wife from entering the restroom, accusing them of not being a cis woman. Sullied the whole goddamn vibe of the place.
TERFs are such awkward bigots in that they have no endgame other than to see your fuckin’ genitals. No safety, no greater good, just do you have a dick or not?
now ma’am, I believe that you were born a biological woman like you’re saying, but its company policy that I gotta see that pussy
This is bad. But what really struck me was that a hotel had a guard? Do you have guards EVERYWHERE?
Not sure if you’re being serious, but yeah we have guards pretty much everywhere in the US, particularly in cities. We also have guards at grocery stores (usually multiple guards, and they’re usually cops in uniform hired by the store) and at discount stores and sometimes on buses and trains. I’ve even seen them at convenience stores and cell phone shops. My apartment building has an armed guard on site with their own police-clone patrol SUV from like 10pm to 6am every night, I’ve had to call them a couple times and they arrive faster than the cops.
The US is a violent shithole and the guards primarily keep away sketchy troublemakers (except in larger stores where they’re useless and only used to deter shoplifting).
Yes serious question. I live in Canada, at most you might see mall security. Just people with a uniform. No weapons. Anywhere else it would be strange to see “guards”. It’s been a while since I was state side. But if it’s become this common the United States has serious problems.
Reminded me of a comment a colleague made during a hotel stay in the US, “they got six people greeting me as I enter the lobby but no one to fix my shower”.
In the US? Only if there’s money.
Guards are only to protect assets not people. When I used to Metro in the Pentagon you would see four or five armed guards with m4s and body armor protecting the carts of the money for the Metro machines. They could give two shits about anyone else.
I rode some light rail trains in Mexico. The guards were putting money on boxes and I though it was a thought provoking photo. So I took the shot. Apparently they thought so too. They followed me and asked me to removed the photo because it was my first offense. Fuck that I’ve never been back in 35 years.
Oof, and back then that would mean losing the whole roll of film, right? Screw that.
Yup
I feel like this is a very abridged version of an interesting story.
He wasn’t disappeared, sounds bridged enough
Thanks! One day it will be a movie…“the train that couldn’t slow down”
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Tucson here: armed and unarmed guards are really common at low-class-linked businesses like thrift stores, Fry’s supermarkets, Walmart, Dollar stores, Walgreens/CVS. God forbid someone steal food or pharmacy items like shavers (shaver cartridges here are crazy expensive if you get name brand). Walgreens/CVS also has a tendency to lock the shelves behind plexiglass so you have to ask for help to buy more expensive items.
In some cases, these kind of stores are targeted specifically. There are shopping centers with higher end restaurants that coexist with super high theft locations literally within walking distance.
TLDR: it’s mostly to abate crimes of poverty
So, why is it OK for guard man to go inside if there might be a man in there? Does this not double the number of men in the bathroom? I don’t understand bigot logic. The women joining in like that is appalling.
“When I do it it’s Morally Right™” Is their basic justification.
pissing?
that one is called “trickle down economics”
The most shocking thing to me is the women. That random women in line said such things indicates to me that there are bigots everywhere.
That’s sexual assault, no?
You don’t get it, its to protect the women! /s
Yes
Hopefully TERFs will learn at some point that discrimination against trans women also harms cis women and empowers the patriarch.
TERFs love the patriarchy, they aren’t feminist at all.
Just start denying any male who don’t look like a bodybuilder in the mens room pretty sure then stuff would get figured out.
Wait wait
They want the woman to go to the men’s room???
😵💫
Or… Or, is it that maybe gender is like maybe a lil bit gray, and the officer made a mistake? 🧐
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I didn’t see in the article where the guard asked to see the woman’s genitals. That aside, I hope that the woman at least gets a very substantial payout from this harassment.
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According to the article, he asked to see her ID. Which is more than fucked up enough already.
The problem is in the demand itself
Drivers License? of course theres always the possibility its fake, but the likely hood someone carrying a fake one at a hotel I wouldnt think is particularly high
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This was informative, and unexpectedly candid. I guess I understand downvotes as an expression of disapproval of the act of making fake IDs but if it was legal at the time to make them, then only the ethical argument remains and that’s moot if it’s illegal now.
I feel smartened
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You’d be surprise many fake ids get carried at hotels.
But not usually for proving one’s gender.
I think someone at a hotel is more likely to be carrying fake genitalia.
Wow, that’s a leap. You good?
Hope nobody lets him take a crap in peace ever again. Keep barging in on him and demanding he show id.
