This is not genocide. The Israeli army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.
Israel has nuclear weapons and f16s. If they tried to commit genocide they would succeed. If Palestinians had those weapons, they would literally commit genocide immediately as it is stated in Hamas’ founding charter.
Israel is dependent on foreign aid, do you think their allies wouldn’t notice if they bombed and killed millions of people at once? There would be a response from other countries in the area as well. Even the Nazis took a lot of effort to hide the holocaust during the execution of it. Where in Hamas’ founding charter does it state “we will commit genocide if we have the power.”? And even if it did, Hamas is not the Palestinian people, they haven’t had an election since 2006 and there are several other militant groups within Palestine.
“After some general explanatory language about Hamas’s religious foundation and noble intentions, the covenant comes to the Islamic Resistance Movement’s raison d’être: the slaughter of Jews. “The Day of Judgement will not come about,” it proclaims, “until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.””
Whether or not it’s true if the population is increasing in spite of all of these things isn’t relevant. What’s relevant is that Israel is attempting several of them (only need 1 for it to be genocide), and they have been for several decades.
False dichotomy. There are more options than “do nothing” and “force the evacuation of an entire populated area before bombing the entire region to the stone age”. It doesn’t take a political genius to see that.
The onus is not on this random internet commenter to produce an alternative. Can you really not think of one thing Israel could do that doesn’t involve glassing what’s left of a country?
Seems like absolutely no one has a problem with that. It’s just when Israel bombs hospitals and shit and then says Hamas was doing whatever there, that’s where people are drawing the line.
You clearly don’t want to be gentle. What is the solution here? If Israel doesn’t defend itself than its residents will continue to be the subject of attacks by Hamas. What other option is there?
What country do you live in that would tolerate constant rocket attacks as well as now terrorist raids from their neighboring territory?
Well they could start doing the thing that would’ve prevented the attack in the first place, treat Palestinians like human beings. The main reason Hamas is in power is because Israel treats Palestinians like subhumans. Hamas wouldn’t be a thing if Israel and Palestine made peace and found a way to co-exist.
Is this some fucking joke to you? You think this is a mother fucking Video game?
This is war. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s no more fair than when America steam rolled Iraq or Afghanistan. No more fair than when the Hamas terrorists with guns pulled those kids out of bed and shot them last week.
Hamas are terrorists. They need to be destroyed, that’s why the US pulled its forces into the region. If you think that’s for anything other reason than to ensure this threat is eliminated, you’re fucking crazy.
War sucks. Hamas is going to be eliminated. The sooner they stop with the human shields, the better for the people of Gaza.
Defend itself against what? It, the UK, and the US started it and refused to relent. Yeah I expect Israel to give the illegal settlements back entirely. They intentionally encouraged too many people to move in in order to justify illegal expansion. So yeah send them back, pay the immigrants for Israel’s fraud and con, and give the Palestinian’s their land back.
You steal someone’s car, and you make it right by giving it back and covering any damages. Just because Israel stole a really big “car” doesn’t change how right and wrong works. You give it back and apologize whether you’re a 3 year old or Netanyahu.
yes, for the last 18 years Palestinians haven’t had anything to do, and had such horrid conditions that they had a population boom and over 50% of the people in the Gaza Strip are under 18 years old, but interestingly these population booms only happen when a group of people hits on extremely bad circumstances for a longer period of time
The UN has issued countless human rights notices against Israel, and how many against Hamas or Saudi Arabia?
It’s a clearly biased organization that people alternatively take as gospel when it suits their needs or ignore when it doesn’t.
It’s obviously not a genocide. If it were, Gaza wouldn’t have a growing population. It’s really that fucking simple, you can’t redefine something to suit your bullshit narrative.
Israel isn’t trying to destroy a people or a nation. The millions of Arabs living peacefully in Israel are proof of that. They’re GOING to destroy a terrorist organization that’s holding a territory hostage though.
People calling out Israel’s crimes isn’t being antisemitic. Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes, creating illegal settlements, running an apartheid state, having a large open air prison were half the population are children, and constantly killing Palestinian children is fucking abhorrent. Fuck Israel and fuck anyone that supports their crimes against humanity.
You’re here supporting terrorists who explicitly call for the extermination of the Jewish people. You’re holding Israel to a standard you refuse to hold others in the region too. They’re stuck in the sandbox with terrorists, they’re just playing by the same rules they’re being subjected to.
I’m not supporting the Israeli government, I’m supporting Israelis right to live in Peace. Prior to last week, I was one of that governments vocal critics. Now, like so many around the world, we can see the existential threat against the people of that country and I fully support the elimination of Hamas.
Once that’s done, and while it’s happening I can still champion the exiting of the West Bank and the promotion of a two state solution.
Hamas needs to be removed for Palestinians to have Peace. Their purpose as clearly laid out in their founding Charter is the destruction of the Jewish people, which means the destruction of the state of Israel which makes it pretty difficult to get a Peace deal in place.
I’m supporting the two million Palestinian children that Israel has not only stolen the future of, but also kills and maims on a regular basis. I hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas because Israel has the power and my tax dollars. Hamas is largely a problem of Israel’s own creation. I don’t just mean through their crimes they’ve created animus. They have directly funded Hamas and helped destroy their opposition in Gaza. Really, stop conflating Israel with the Jewish ethnicity and Judaism. It’s a really sorry attempt to hide behind the antisemitic claim to escape being called out for crimes against humanity.
Interesting how 2 million Arabs can live peacefully in Israel without fear of daily violence. The 2 million Arabs living in Gaza under Hamas’ control, though that’s another story, isn’t it.
If you are on the side of the Palestinian children, then you would be in favor of Israel taking complete control of the territory. That’s how those children will be safe. You don’t actually care about those kids though. If you did, you wouldn’t be so fucking ignorant about this.
I’m not saying all of these commenters are anti semites but many of them have been conditioned to basically think that whatever Hamas does is a legitimate way of responding to grievances (some certainly with merit) and whatever Israel does respond to that is genocide.
If Al qaeda was based in Canada what would the U.S. have done after 9/11? Let them just continue to operate?
I have asked several posters on here to give me some better options for Israel than to destroy Hamas. So far not a single one has obliged.
They can’t engage because then they’ll need to admit their hypocrisy and bias.
Israel’s being held to a standard different than everyone else in the region. They understand better than most western nations what it’s like to live in that sandbox. They’re playing by the same rules as their neighbors and after last week the people blaming them don’t have a leg to stand on…
They are doing that. They are bombing an area after making it impossible for people to evacuate by giving an impossible deadline. They are bombing the areas people are told to take on the way to evacuate. The people they are bombing have no defenses or way to escape. Israel’s own government officials have referred to Palestinians as animals and said there are no innocents among them. That’s what genocide looks like before having the benefit of hindsight.
This is not genocide. The German army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.
Nobody serious is proposing that. Israel has some crazy right wingers but there’s no chance they do that. Unlike Hamas who, if given the opportunity, would eagerly do that to Israelis.
Didn’t you know? Those American Jews are being antisemitic for daring to oppose genocide.
This is not genocide. The Israeli army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.
Go back and read the UN Convention on Genocide, as this most certainly is that. Unquestionably.
If it’s genocide why is the population of Palestinians GROWING?
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-united-nations-palestinian-territories-gaza-strip-0b9fbb989fc2411495afd811da4ac6d0
Where in the definition of genocide does the attempt have to be successful before you call it genocide or try stop it?
Israel has nuclear weapons and f16s. If they tried to commit genocide they would succeed. If Palestinians had those weapons, they would literally commit genocide immediately as it is stated in Hamas’ founding charter.
Israel is dependent on foreign aid, do you think their allies wouldn’t notice if they bombed and killed millions of people at once? There would be a response from other countries in the area as well. Even the Nazis took a lot of effort to hide the holocaust during the execution of it. Where in Hamas’ founding charter does it state “we will commit genocide if we have the power.”? And even if it did, Hamas is not the Palestinian people, they haven’t had an election since 2006 and there are several other militant groups within Palestine.
Reading is hard: https://archive.ph/RNiIk
“After some general explanatory language about Hamas’s religious foundation and noble intentions, the covenant comes to the Islamic Resistance Movement’s raison d’être: the slaughter of Jews. “The Day of Judgement will not come about,” it proclaims, “until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.””
you think that’s bad? try the Christian one, but we don’t start acting like Christians are all genocidal due to their religion.
Did you not read the UN Convention on Genocide? You know, the things Jewish people said they’d never forget?
Here’s a PDF it’s only like 4 pages: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.pdf
Whether or not it’s true if the population is increasing in spite of all of these things isn’t relevant. What’s relevant is that Israel is attempting several of them (only need 1 for it to be genocide), and they have been for several decades.
I found this gem today and couldn’t help but hare it
What would you have Israel do? Not defend itself? Because by doing so according to your logic Israel is committing genocide then.
If Hamas didn’t keep attacking Israel and instead focused on improving the lives for residents in Gaza then Israel would not attack them.
Also based on that link you cited and your logic palestinians are committing genocide against the Israelis
False dichotomy. There are more options than “do nothing” and “force the evacuation of an entire populated area before bombing the entire region to the stone age”. It doesn’t take a political genius to see that.
Ok what are the options then? Let’s hear them in your view
The onus is not on this random internet commenter to produce an alternative. Can you really not think of one thing Israel could do that doesn’t involve glassing what’s left of a country?
Give the Palestinians full rights, return their stolen land, compensate them for this genocide, I have more just ping me
Seems like absolutely no one has a problem with that. It’s just when Israel bombs hospitals and shit and then says Hamas was doing whatever there, that’s where people are drawing the line.
Hamas literally is launching rockets from hospitals, schools, etc.
Sure, yes, so some “terrorist” throws bombs at you from a hospital full of children. Do you bomb the hospital? yes or no?
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You clearly don’t want to be gentle. What is the solution here? If Israel doesn’t defend itself than its residents will continue to be the subject of attacks by Hamas. What other option is there?
What country do you live in that would tolerate constant rocket attacks as well as now terrorist raids from their neighboring territory?
Nice pivot. Didn’t work, but good try.
What a fucking joke. I guess just pretend you don’t know how power dynamics work.
I’m genuinely curious. What would you have Israel do in response to last weeks attacks?
Well they could start doing the thing that would’ve prevented the attack in the first place, treat Palestinians like human beings. The main reason Hamas is in power is because Israel treats Palestinians like subhumans. Hamas wouldn’t be a thing if Israel and Palestine made peace and found a way to co-exist.
Give the land back.
Power dynamics?
Is this some fucking joke to you? You think this is a mother fucking Video game?
This is war. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s no more fair than when America steam rolled Iraq or Afghanistan. No more fair than when the Hamas terrorists with guns pulled those kids out of bed and shot them last week.
Hamas are terrorists. They need to be destroyed, that’s why the US pulled its forces into the region. If you think that’s for anything other reason than to ensure this threat is eliminated, you’re fucking crazy.
War sucks. Hamas is going to be eliminated. The sooner they stop with the human shields, the better for the people of Gaza.
Dumbest shit I’ve ever seen.
Yes, I’m making up the concept of power dynamics. I took them from video games. Unbelievable.
Defend itself against what? It, the UK, and the US started it and refused to relent. Yeah I expect Israel to give the illegal settlements back entirely. They intentionally encouraged too many people to move in in order to justify illegal expansion. So yeah send them back, pay the immigrants for Israel’s fraud and con, and give the Palestinian’s their land back.
You steal someone’s car, and you make it right by giving it back and covering any damages. Just because Israel stole a really big “car” doesn’t change how right and wrong works. You give it back and apologize whether you’re a 3 year old or Netanyahu.
yes, for the last 18 years Palestinians haven’t had anything to do, and had such horrid conditions that they had a population boom and over 50% of the people in the Gaza Strip are under 18 years old, but interestingly these population booms only happen when a group of people hits on extremely bad circumstances for a longer period of time
So how is that a genocide then?
It’s not. It’s the fastest growing population in the world.
People are fucking morons.
relocations are a major part of it.
Facts don’t matter to these Anti Semites.
The UN has issued countless human rights notices against Israel, and how many against Hamas or Saudi Arabia?
It’s a clearly biased organization that people alternatively take as gospel when it suits their needs or ignore when it doesn’t.
It’s obviously not a genocide. If it were, Gaza wouldn’t have a growing population. It’s really that fucking simple, you can’t redefine something to suit your bullshit narrative.
Israel isn’t trying to destroy a people or a nation. The millions of Arabs living peacefully in Israel are proof of that. They’re GOING to destroy a terrorist organization that’s holding a territory hostage though.
People calling out Israel’s crimes isn’t being antisemitic. Israelis forcing Palestinians from their homes, creating illegal settlements, running an apartheid state, having a large open air prison were half the population are children, and constantly killing Palestinian children is fucking abhorrent. Fuck Israel and fuck anyone that supports their crimes against humanity.
You’re here supporting terrorists who explicitly call for the extermination of the Jewish people. You’re holding Israel to a standard you refuse to hold others in the region too. They’re stuck in the sandbox with terrorists, they’re just playing by the same rules they’re being subjected to.
wait, aren’t you doing the same thing, considering the Jewish power party were a bunch of anti-arab terrorists before they got voted into office?
I’m not supporting the Israeli government, I’m supporting Israelis right to live in Peace. Prior to last week, I was one of that governments vocal critics. Now, like so many around the world, we can see the existential threat against the people of that country and I fully support the elimination of Hamas.
Once that’s done, and while it’s happening I can still champion the exiting of the West Bank and the promotion of a two state solution.
Hamas needs to be removed for Palestinians to have Peace. Their purpose as clearly laid out in their founding Charter is the destruction of the Jewish people, which means the destruction of the state of Israel which makes it pretty difficult to get a Peace deal in place.
I’m supporting the two million Palestinian children that Israel has not only stolen the future of, but also kills and maims on a regular basis. I hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas because Israel has the power and my tax dollars. Hamas is largely a problem of Israel’s own creation. I don’t just mean through their crimes they’ve created animus. They have directly funded Hamas and helped destroy their opposition in Gaza. Really, stop conflating Israel with the Jewish ethnicity and Judaism. It’s a really sorry attempt to hide behind the antisemitic claim to escape being called out for crimes against humanity.
Interesting how 2 million Arabs can live peacefully in Israel without fear of daily violence. The 2 million Arabs living in Gaza under Hamas’ control, though that’s another story, isn’t it.
If you are on the side of the Palestinian children, then you would be in favor of Israel taking complete control of the territory. That’s how those children will be safe. You don’t actually care about those kids though. If you did, you wouldn’t be so fucking ignorant about this.
Fun fact; Palestinians are Semites.
So being anti Palestine is, by definition, anti Semitic.
This is beyond ignorant.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism
Educate yourself before you embarrass yourself again.
I’m not saying all of these commenters are anti semites but many of them have been conditioned to basically think that whatever Hamas does is a legitimate way of responding to grievances (some certainly with merit) and whatever Israel does respond to that is genocide.
If Al qaeda was based in Canada what would the U.S. have done after 9/11? Let them just continue to operate?
I have asked several posters on here to give me some better options for Israel than to destroy Hamas. So far not a single one has obliged.
not force exodus everything east of Quebec?
They can’t engage because then they’ll need to admit their hypocrisy and bias.
Israel’s being held to a standard different than everyone else in the region. They understand better than most western nations what it’s like to live in that sandbox. They’re playing by the same rules as their neighbors and after last week the people blaming them don’t have a leg to stand on…
They are doing that. They are bombing an area after making it impossible for people to evacuate by giving an impossible deadline. They are bombing the areas people are told to take on the way to evacuate. The people they are bombing have no defenses or way to escape. Israel’s own government officials have referred to Palestinians as animals and said there are no innocents among them. That’s what genocide looks like before having the benefit of hindsight.
This is not genocide. The German army has a massive amount of weapons with which it could commit genocide if it truly wanted to. The situation is horrible and the loss of civilians lives is also horrible but this is not genocide. Misusing that term risks it losing all meaning.
If it’s genocide why is the population of Palestinians GROWING?
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-united-nations-palestinian-territories-gaza-strip-0b9fbb989fc2411495afd811da4ac6d0
That’s a definite whoosh. Try this one: if the Holocaust was a genocide why are there still Jews?
6 million Jews were killed during the holocaust. Nearly 50% of the global population.
How you can compare the two with any sense of rationality is beyond me.
Israeli politicians have proposed killing everyone in gaza, that’s 2 million people. Half are children.
Nobody serious is proposing that. Israel has some crazy right wingers but there’s no chance they do that. Unlike Hamas who, if given the opportunity, would eagerly do that to Israelis.
And Hamas has proposed killing all the Jews.
look into what causes massive population growth
It might be. Real soon.