Smith's federal criminal cases against Trump were upended by the election, as the Justice Department's longstanding policy is that sitting presidents can't be charged with crimes.
Not happening at all, but the only hope for accountability is a massive blue wave in 2026 followed by an immediate impeachment. Even then that’s just early retirement.
I don’t think that’s it. Citizens of the USA don’t care about Trump’s felonies at all, that does not affect anyone’s day to day life (except Trump). USA citizens are looking at bills and expenses that didn’t get better with Biden, and Harris was essentially the same candidate. The hope is maybe Trump will try something different to help.
Yes, a majority of US citizens are dumb. The average American experienced 3 years of retaliatory price gouging that was mislabeled as “inflation.”
Why was there retaliatory price gouging? Punishment for not voting in Trump in 2020. Big business wants more de-regulation; so the next time the vote doesn’t go in their favor they can do it again.
What enables them to do it again? Republican policy.
We’re in a vicious cycle of stupid now, which again, was by design.
I don’t think the average citizen of the USA is dumb. People looked at what Biden did for the last few years and that didn’t help them. The Harris campaign would have done better if they had taken more stances that were different from Biden. (I can say this confidently now that I know the results of the election, I wouldn’t have said it a month ago.)
I also don’t think there has been “retaliatory price gouging” as you say. The cost of production and distribution is always increasing, it’s why there is inflation. I don’t think you can find any actual evidence of price gouging because of Biden.
People looked at what Biden did for the last few years and that didn’t help them.
This is dumb. Thinking economic policy has immediate effects is dumb. Trump’s good economy was largely a result of Obama’s economic policy. The inflation during the Biden years was a result of Trump’s economic policy and COVID. It takes years to dig out of that hole. Everyone knew (or maybe not, people are dumb) that COVID stimulus was going to be inflationary; it was just a gamble that it would be less painful than a more 2008 style financial crisis. The whole world was experiencing inflation and Trump’s tax reform did not help the situation. Thinking tariffs will help fix the economy when the number one complaint is high prices is dumb.
Dumb US citizens believe that tariffs will lower prices, and that presidents can control prices.
As far as “evidence of price gouging” is concerned, I’m really not interested in this debate. The election is over so any evidence at this point is moot.
If you’re genuinely curious and aren’t convinced that a majority of US voters are dumb AF, read this, I’m sure they didn’t:
Yep, this. Meanwhile people keep telling Democrats they didn’t properly cradle their nuts, even as the Democrats did try to do something for everyday Americans.
Where to even start with this level of disconnect?
!remindme in 1 year when the effects of mass deporting low income agriculture workers and slapping tariffs across the board kick in and people are hurting even worse. our big beefy boy will have done dick about it and people will revert back to hating him yet again.
the average American voter doesn’t have the attention span to even remember covid or how Trump botched the response and helped kill a million Americans, much less the awareness to understand how badly the pandemic broke supply chains and thus the global economy, nor how the Biden admin still helped us fare better than the rest of the developed world in recovering from it.
not that that’s the voters’ fault. Dems did absolutely fuck all to raise awareness of that for the every man. instead, they barked at people saying the economy has recovered to all time highs (for CEOs), ignoring the actual plight of the working class.
they were too busy courting “moderates” by sprinting to the right and capitulating to Republicans’ framing of the issues, a tried and true losing strategy
And now they’re saying that Democrats were “Too leftist and too woke”, but they did this shit. Gimme a break, it’s a “Heads I win, Tails you lose” designed to make the Dems go further right
If by too leftist and too woke, they are saying that Democrats need to hit the identity politics a bit less, this is understandable.
Old school leftists have been saying this for a while. We need to protect at-risk groups, of course. But we cannot abandon the populism and we need to stop ignoring the class warfare (being conducted on the poor and middle class). It really is the economy.
If anyone is saying they were too leftist, as in the way it used to mean, there is no way the campaign went “too leftist”.
Are you referring specifically to this cycle, or Democrats in the past in a more general sense?
I don’t recall ever having heard Kamala bring up her race or gender. When asked about it directly in an interview, she said it’s no secret she’s a woman of color but never really followed up on it.
I do remember her talking a lot about her experience growing up in a middle class family or becoming a prosecutor, but does that really count as identity politics?
In general, and more recently. Yes, Kamala thread the needle quite well, I thought. One of the best examples is as you say - not taking the bait, but also selecting Walz.
It goes mostly beyond Democrats, TBH. There is a cultural thing going on right now, and honestly, I cannot help but wonder if it is part of the oligarchy’s strategy to specifically annoy and turn off a lot of people - meaning, some people just want escapism in their entertainment, and instead, they are often getting sanctimonious messaging that is so ham-fisted as to break the fourth wall. If they aren’t doing this on purpose with the intent of making more Republicans, they should know they are not really winning hearts and minds by seemingly going out of their way to try to ruin every single intellectual property with this stuff. Their attitude, even if they are losing literally millions of dollars in the process, seems to be to raise their middle finger to the fans. The people getting annoyed by this are not all racists, or misogynists or transphobic…but they might start voting with that bunch for the likes of donvict as a result.
So, a lot of this is entirely beyond the Democratic Party’s control, but I think they’d be better off if they made it clear they are for EVERYONE while distancing themselves from more sanctimonious messaging that looks like it is just engaging in blaming cishet white men for existing.
People struggling to make ends meet might just be getting tired of the culture lecturing on how “too many white men are being centered” in fictional narratives when they just want some escapism to escape from the miserable lives Republicans are making for them, and if they think the Democrats are here to pound the same message in, they are going to tune out.
I agree, I don’t think Trump’s economic plans will be for people’s benefits. If he actually cuts the programs he has said he would it should reduce federal spending and then federal income tax. But I am of the opinion that the amount I would get back in tax savings does not outweigh the benefit of making sure myself and other citizens have access to these programs. But maybe I’m wrong.
I believe you can trust your intuition on this one. Assuming he is successful in doing what he promises (which, with Trump, you can never trust anything he says but always have to assume the worst), erasing a century’s worth of progress in the administrative state will have disastrous consequences for the most vulnerable members of society who rely on entitlement programs to make ends meet during these late stages of neoliberalism (as one example, but there are others, like the FDA and EPA). but all these cuts will take a few points off the bottom line for the ultra rich, so let the apologists and propagandists sing about how great it will be when that all trickles down (it never does).
I’m thinking donvict will have the long-term effect of reversing the decades-long downward trend of crime.
Why?
We have the opportunity to remove more lead from our pipes, thus less lead getting into our bloodstreams. Less lead == less crime. Donvict will likely reverse that.
Restricting/eliminating access to abortion - well, the future of that practically writes itself.
Cutting social spending - what is going to be the natural outcome of that?
It’s almost like the qons don’t really care about America at all. Seemingly, it’s designed for rich broligarchs to stay ensconced in their compounds and gated communities, make more money and throw everyone else to the wolves. They clearly don’t give a rat’s ass about the people that live in this country that are not billionaires.
Biden and Harris did their utmost to dig America out of Trump’s first term and the international shit pile of COVID. They were blocked at every turn by retardicans who didn’t want them to accomplish anything, even right-wing agenda items like border control, because that might make even idiots like you take notice. Good luck with those lower bills though lol. Chump.
This is exactly it.
A lot of people are struggling. They see less jobs, less pay, meanwhile the rich get richer. They see a system that benefits everybody except them.
So Trump comes along and says he’s going to fuck up the system. That sounds pretty good. And if he can make a decent excuse that he’s been fucked by the system too, people are willing to overlook a lot.
Plus, let’s not forget Harris had very little real message. Obama had a message- hope, change, yes we can. Hillary was as status quo as you can get, and people wants to reform. Kamala’s message was basically ‘I’m not Trump’ but unfortunately that’s not good enough to get you elected. Especially not when, before Biden dropped out and she got anointed, she was polling in the single digits.
I’m just a foreigner who is very interested in global politics and from what I saw, Harris did have a real message, with policies to boot. Such has first home owners grant, small business grant and the goal of increasing the size of the middle class, which means giving more opportunities to lower class.
Trump on the other hand was ranting incoherently and when he was coherent, sent a message that he was going to take people’s rights away.
I don’t understand how Harris needed to be clearer when it was as clear as night and day that she was the best choice economically and would provide a more stable future. In my opinion, it wasn’t Harris’ fault she lost. She ran a decent campaign. It’s just that America is more than not racist, sexist and uneducated.
Disclaimer: I’m not saying US is any worse or better. Heck, Australia voted no to indigenous recognition in our constitution while the US actually has support for their indigenous communities. We’re racist, dumb and sexist AF too. This is just an example of how powerful misinformation can be.
Harris had some policies, but not a real underlying message. She could have made a message like ‘bring back the American dream’ and that might have gotten her a win. Obama’s message was ‘yes we can’. Trump’s message is ‘make America great again’. You need a theme message like that, if you only talk positions you get lost in the noise of our shitty media.
If she was actually using that message, which I never heard, no wonder she lost.
People don’t want the absence of something, they want radical change. They want a country that works for the middle class rather than just for the 1%.
That’s why Obama’s message resonated. And that’s why Trump’s message resonates. He at least acknowledges that shit’s broken and he promises to fix it. He may be the wrong person to fix it and he may have no interest in fixing it, but his message at least acknowledges that there is a serious problem.
The USA does have racist and sexist people but I don’t think that was a driving factor in this election. The news certainly favors portraying the opinions of the more outspoken “crazy” people because that gets views. I think a lot of people in the USA are fine with gay and trans rights. The real issue is increasing costs, people care less about minority rights than being able to feed their own family. I do think Harris’s tax and economic plans made more sense and I wanted her to try to make them a reality, but I think a lot of people here viewed these as the promises Biden made and couldn’t follow thru on. Cancelling student debt was a huge thing Biden tried to do but ultimately couldn’t.
Wasn’t the student debt thing knocked back during the political process by the opposition? I wouldn’t say it’s Biden’s fault for not being able to pass that one through.
Ah yes, the ol’, “the Democrats didn’t deliver on it so I’ll vote (or not vote at all, leading to a favorable situation) for the people who blocked it every step of the way”, strategy. Galaxy brain tier tactics.
People want change. It’s like they’re fixing a car and the correct tool isn’t doing the job. So they break out a hammer to at least get the bolt moving. Yeah, it’s gonna fuck other things up but it will at least do something.
Yup.
You can kiss Trump ever seeing consequences for his crimes goodbye.
Welcome to the new America.
Elections have consequences and Americans are simply too stupid to maintain a democracy. So we won’t have one much longer.
Trump didn’t see any consequences in the old America either.
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A couple of people gave it a shot.
Relevant username is relevant.
Not happening at all, but the only hope for accountability is a massive blue wave in 2026 followed by an immediate impeachment. Even then that’s just early retirement.
We are well and truly fucked.
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Yeah that’s it, the third impeachment will definitely do it!
So there is no hope.
Elections did have consequences. Going forward? Not likely
I don’t think that’s it. Citizens of the USA don’t care about Trump’s felonies at all, that does not affect anyone’s day to day life (except Trump). USA citizens are looking at bills and expenses that didn’t get better with Biden, and Harris was essentially the same candidate. The hope is maybe Trump will try something different to help.
trRump isn’t going to help anyone but himself.
I agree with that. Here’s to hoping everything I thought I new about economics and government social programs was wrong.
Yes, a majority of US citizens are dumb. The average American experienced 3 years of retaliatory price gouging that was mislabeled as “inflation.”
Why was there retaliatory price gouging? Punishment for not voting in Trump in 2020. Big business wants more de-regulation; so the next time the vote doesn’t go in their favor they can do it again.
What enables them to do it again? Republican policy.
We’re in a vicious cycle of stupid now, which again, was by design.
Yep. Retaliation against Americans and trying to get donvict reinstalled was a likely goal of the price-gouging.
I don’t think the average citizen of the USA is dumb. People looked at what Biden did for the last few years and that didn’t help them. The Harris campaign would have done better if they had taken more stances that were different from Biden. (I can say this confidently now that I know the results of the election, I wouldn’t have said it a month ago.)
I also don’t think there has been “retaliatory price gouging” as you say. The cost of production and distribution is always increasing, it’s why there is inflation. I don’t think you can find any actual evidence of price gouging because of Biden.
This is dumb. Thinking economic policy has immediate effects is dumb. Trump’s good economy was largely a result of Obama’s economic policy. The inflation during the Biden years was a result of Trump’s economic policy and COVID. It takes years to dig out of that hole. Everyone knew (or maybe not, people are dumb) that COVID stimulus was going to be inflationary; it was just a gamble that it would be less painful than a more 2008 style financial crisis. The whole world was experiencing inflation and Trump’s tax reform did not help the situation. Thinking tariffs will help fix the economy when the number one complaint is high prices is dumb.
Dumb US citizens believe that tariffs will lower prices, and that presidents can control prices.
As far as “evidence of price gouging” is concerned, I’m really not interested in this debate. The election is over so any evidence at this point is moot.
If you’re genuinely curious and aren’t convinced that a majority of US voters are dumb AF, read this, I’m sure they didn’t:
https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/
Yep, this. Meanwhile people keep telling Democrats they didn’t properly cradle their nuts, even as the Democrats did try to do something for everyday Americans.
Where to even start with this level of disconnect?
!remindme in 1 year when the effects of mass deporting low income agriculture workers and slapping tariffs across the board kick in and people are hurting even worse. our big beefy boy will have done dick about it and people will revert back to hating him yet again.
the average American voter doesn’t have the attention span to even remember covid or how Trump botched the response and helped kill a million Americans, much less the awareness to understand how badly the pandemic broke supply chains and thus the global economy, nor how the Biden admin still helped us fare better than the rest of the developed world in recovering from it.
not that that’s the voters’ fault. Dems did absolutely fuck all to raise awareness of that for the every man. instead, they barked at people saying the economy has recovered to all time highs (for CEOs), ignoring the actual plight of the working class.
I still don’t understand why Kamela didn’t run ads reminding people of how badly Trump fucked up Covid
they were too busy courting “moderates” by sprinting to the right and capitulating to Republicans’ framing of the issues, a tried and true losing strategy
And now they’re saying that Democrats were “Too leftist and too woke”, but they did this shit. Gimme a break, it’s a “Heads I win, Tails you lose” designed to make the Dems go further right
If by too leftist and too woke, they are saying that Democrats need to hit the identity politics a bit less, this is understandable.
Old school leftists have been saying this for a while. We need to protect at-risk groups, of course. But we cannot abandon the populism and we need to stop ignoring the class warfare (being conducted on the poor and middle class). It really is the economy.
If anyone is saying they were too leftist, as in the way it used to mean, there is no way the campaign went “too leftist”.
Are you referring specifically to this cycle, or Democrats in the past in a more general sense?
I don’t recall ever having heard Kamala bring up her race or gender. When asked about it directly in an interview, she said it’s no secret she’s a woman of color but never really followed up on it.
I do remember her talking a lot about her experience growing up in a middle class family or becoming a prosecutor, but does that really count as identity politics?
In general, and more recently. Yes, Kamala thread the needle quite well, I thought. One of the best examples is as you say - not taking the bait, but also selecting Walz.
It goes mostly beyond Democrats, TBH. There is a cultural thing going on right now, and honestly, I cannot help but wonder if it is part of the oligarchy’s strategy to specifically annoy and turn off a lot of people - meaning, some people just want escapism in their entertainment, and instead, they are often getting sanctimonious messaging that is so ham-fisted as to break the fourth wall. If they aren’t doing this on purpose with the intent of making more Republicans, they should know they are not really winning hearts and minds by seemingly going out of their way to try to ruin every single intellectual property with this stuff. Their attitude, even if they are losing literally millions of dollars in the process, seems to be to raise their middle finger to the fans. The people getting annoyed by this are not all racists, or misogynists or transphobic…but they might start voting with that bunch for the likes of donvict as a result.
So, a lot of this is entirely beyond the Democratic Party’s control, but I think they’d be better off if they made it clear they are for EVERYONE while distancing themselves from more sanctimonious messaging that looks like it is just engaging in blaming cishet white men for existing.
People struggling to make ends meet might just be getting tired of the culture lecturing on how “too many white men are being centered” in fictional narratives when they just want some escapism to escape from the miserable lives Republicans are making for them, and if they think the Democrats are here to pound the same message in, they are going to tune out.
I agree, I don’t think Trump’s economic plans will be for people’s benefits. If he actually cuts the programs he has said he would it should reduce federal spending and then federal income tax. But I am of the opinion that the amount I would get back in tax savings does not outweigh the benefit of making sure myself and other citizens have access to these programs. But maybe I’m wrong.
I believe you can trust your intuition on this one. Assuming he is successful in doing what he promises (which, with Trump, you can never trust anything he says but always have to assume the worst), erasing a century’s worth of progress in the administrative state will have disastrous consequences for the most vulnerable members of society who rely on entitlement programs to make ends meet during these late stages of neoliberalism (as one example, but there are others, like the FDA and EPA). but all these cuts will take a few points off the bottom line for the ultra rich, so let the apologists and propagandists sing about how great it will be when that all trickles down (it never does).
I’m thinking donvict will have the long-term effect of reversing the decades-long downward trend of crime.
Why?
It’s almost like the qons don’t really care about America at all. Seemingly, it’s designed for rich broligarchs to stay ensconced in their compounds and gated communities, make more money and throw everyone else to the wolves. They clearly don’t give a rat’s ass about the people that live in this country that are not billionaires.
Biden and Harris did their utmost to dig America out of Trump’s first term and the international shit pile of COVID. They were blocked at every turn by retardicans who didn’t want them to accomplish anything, even right-wing agenda items like border control, because that might make even idiots like you take notice. Good luck with those lower bills though lol. Chump.
This is exactly it. A lot of people are struggling. They see less jobs, less pay, meanwhile the rich get richer. They see a system that benefits everybody except them. So Trump comes along and says he’s going to fuck up the system. That sounds pretty good. And if he can make a decent excuse that he’s been fucked by the system too, people are willing to overlook a lot.
Plus, let’s not forget Harris had very little real message. Obama had a message- hope, change, yes we can. Hillary was as status quo as you can get, and people wants to reform. Kamala’s message was basically ‘I’m not Trump’ but unfortunately that’s not good enough to get you elected. Especially not when, before Biden dropped out and she got anointed, she was polling in the single digits.
I’m just a foreigner who is very interested in global politics and from what I saw, Harris did have a real message, with policies to boot. Such has first home owners grant, small business grant and the goal of increasing the size of the middle class, which means giving more opportunities to lower class.
Trump on the other hand was ranting incoherently and when he was coherent, sent a message that he was going to take people’s rights away.
I don’t understand how Harris needed to be clearer when it was as clear as night and day that she was the best choice economically and would provide a more stable future. In my opinion, it wasn’t Harris’ fault she lost. She ran a decent campaign. It’s just that America is more than not racist, sexist and uneducated.
Disclaimer: I’m not saying US is any worse or better. Heck, Australia voted no to indigenous recognition in our constitution while the US actually has support for their indigenous communities. We’re racist, dumb and sexist AF too. This is just an example of how powerful misinformation can be.
Harris had some policies, but not a real underlying message. She could have made a message like ‘bring back the American dream’ and that might have gotten her a win. Obama’s message was ‘yes we can’. Trump’s message is ‘make America great again’. You need a theme message like that, if you only talk positions you get lost in the noise of our shitty media.
“We’re not going back” was her message according to that philosophy.
If she was actually using that message, which I never heard, no wonder she lost. People don’t want the absence of something, they want radical change. They want a country that works for the middle class rather than just for the 1%. That’s why Obama’s message resonated. And that’s why Trump’s message resonates. He at least acknowledges that shit’s broken and he promises to fix it. He may be the wrong person to fix it and he may have no interest in fixing it, but his message at least acknowledges that there is a serious problem.
I don’t know what to tell you dude. I’m just a foreigner and I heard that message over and over. It was as clear as day for me.
However, message or no, the US have put a convicted felon in charge of the country. I’m gobsmacked by that.
The USA does have racist and sexist people but I don’t think that was a driving factor in this election. The news certainly favors portraying the opinions of the more outspoken “crazy” people because that gets views. I think a lot of people in the USA are fine with gay and trans rights. The real issue is increasing costs, people care less about minority rights than being able to feed their own family. I do think Harris’s tax and economic plans made more sense and I wanted her to try to make them a reality, but I think a lot of people here viewed these as the promises Biden made and couldn’t follow thru on. Cancelling student debt was a huge thing Biden tried to do but ultimately couldn’t.
Wasn’t the student debt thing knocked back during the political process by the opposition? I wouldn’t say it’s Biden’s fault for not being able to pass that one through.
Ah yes, the ol’, “the Democrats didn’t deliver on it so I’ll vote (or not vote at all, leading to a favorable situation) for the people who blocked it every step of the way”, strategy. Galaxy brain tier tactics.
People want change. It’s like they’re fixing a car and the correct tool isn’t doing the job. So they break out a hammer to at least get the bolt moving. Yeah, it’s gonna fuck other things up but it will at least do something.
That is a profoundly stupid idea.
I didn’t say it was smart