As a west supporter I’m fine with this. Though I’m not fully convinced on the magnitude of the spoiler effect, eg. If 2% want to vote for west that doesn’t mean that those 2% vote for Kamala if he’s off the ballot, they’ll most likely just not vote. The race in Penn seems really tight though so anything to get Harris over the line is good.
If you arent in a swing state ( eg. Margin bigger then 10%) and think Kamala’s tacking too far right then id recommend looking into west. He and stein get a lot of slander on here because people are deathly afraid of spoilers but his platform is actually pretty good if you want to do a protest vote. Again in a non-swing state so everyone doesn’t come after me for “helping trump”
Well said.
Just so you know, they’ll still come after you because you’re not voting for Harris. People like to accuse us of being Trump voters just for not falling in line. Apparently, we’re part of some conspiracy to get Trump back in office by… supporting third parties on Lemmy of all places? Yeah, because Lemmy’s totally not hostile to third-party voters, right? Clearly, our “Russian agents being paid in Russian bitcoinz” plan is working flawlessly.
But seriously, I thought I’d be into West at first too, but I never felt like he was genuine, even if I respect what he’s trying to do. I admire anyone who takes a shot at the Duopoly, even if they’re not getting my vote.
Lemmy is hostile to virtue signaling that leads nowhere (or somewhere worse if enough people do it). Post an idea that’s actually useful instead, and we will intently listen.
Post an idea that’s actually useful instead, and we will intently listen.
I have no ideas that are useful. I just post news articles, I don’t create them.
I have no ideas that are useful.
The first truthful statement I’ve seen so far.
See? Now we can be friends, right?
hahahahah You earned my upvote!!!
no dude, the stakes are high and nobody wants Trump to win. it is a tense situation.
I am sure plenty of people would be happy to see you express your third-party vote if it doesn’t mean a swing state goes to Trump.
no dude, the stakes are high and nobody wants Trump to win. it is a tense situation.
Are you so scared that Trump may win, that you actually want to limit people’s choices and don’t want them to have their own opinions and choices?! Guess which side of the political aisle that sounds like? Hint: the guy you are so afraid of is running for prez on that side…
Think about what you are saying. Do you not see how slippery that slope is?! You want to limit what people see because of your fear of who may get elected. A huge freedom taken away.
Are you suggesting that news articles that don’t represent the majority opinion in this community shouldn’t be shared or viewed at all? Do you think certain news should be hidden from the public?
It sounds like you’re advocating for limiting choices and restricting access to information. I’d really appreciate some clarification because, to me, it sounds like you’re endorsing censorship and would rather this space be an echo chamber.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
Is Cornel West the guy of the meme of the rent is too damn high?
Wikipedia, my friend.
What a negative attitude. Why do you respond anyway? Shut up and let other people answer questions then.
It’s off script so they don’t have a real reply lol
I don’t know what that means, and Wikipedia isn’t helping me.
Not a negative attitude at all. Wikipedia would explain the differences much better than I could. And I’d be using Wikipedia as my source anyway. If people feel they have a better answer than Wikipedia, then I hope they go for it.
And personally, I always go to Wikipedia first. I find it’s more accurate than people posting here.
But hey, you don’t HAVE to go to Wikipedia if you don’t want to, friend.
This guy is not serious, and should be ignored. He’s only on the ballot in 15 states. Among other flaws, like taking money from Harlan Crow.
By August, the campaign reported being $17,000 in debt. The campaign was aided by Republican-aligned groups, donors, and lawyers, to get on the ballot in several states including Michigan,[56] Georgia,[57] Virginia, Nebraska, Maine, North Carolina,[58] Arizona[59] and Wisconsin.[59][60] Although West stopped actively campaigning, registered Republicans have signed up to be electors for West in swing states.[11] His campaign had only spent $2,400 on signature gathering between January and June of 2024.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West_2024_presidential_campaign
If Republican big wigs are showering you with money to do something, save your soul and don’t fucking do it.
I’d take the cash. And since many here think they are paying me anyway, they should actually pay me! Bring it!!!
I definitely don’t take him serious and I won’t be voting for him.
EDIT: Downvotes for me NOT voting for him? So you guys want me to vote for him?! lmao
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.
If voting didn’t make a difference, they wouldn’t spend $650 million on TV ads
Ah yes, “both parties are the same”.
Except one embraces diversity, labor, a more progressive tax system, infrastructure spending, criminal justice reform, public education, public health insurance, food/income assistance, climate action, and the rule of law.
And he pretty solidly endorsed Trump - while the Democratic candidate is literally running on taxing billionaires more.
Ideally, for capitalists, their bloc should rule the society—be the hegemonic power—by controlling mass media, winning elections, producing parliamentary majorities, and disseminating an ideology in schools and beyond that justifies capitalism. Capitalist hegemony would then keep anti-capitalist impulses disorganized or unable to build a social movement into a counter-hegemonic bloc strong enough to challenge capitalism’s hegemony. Why Capitalism is in Constant Conflict With Democracy
What do you think is the best example of a socialist country?
It makes a difference, just not to any of us plebes
they’re trying to prevent you from voting.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
We are left with the same two parties that declare “this time we are really going to help the people” and two armies of morons convinced their person is really going to do it! It is literally the same BS every election cycle.
And morons who think voting for a third party presidential candidate means anything instead of working to elect down ballot candidates who actually could affect meaningful change.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
Copypasta bullshit
Yep!
The way third parties are being shut out this election cycle really highlights how undemocratic the US actually is. Democrats are shutting out their spoilers, Republicans are shutting out their spoilers, you are not allowed to vote for anyone but the two ruling parties.
Yeah, they’re totally being shut out by… checks notes not filing their paperwork on time.
Tedious libshit - oh we’d love to have a democratic process, but you didn’t jump through all the procedural hoops in exactly the right way (rules we made up and were never voted on lol). Sure they rules are different in every single state and are selectively enforced, but rules are rules!
If you want to win the game you gotta play by the rules.
If you want to kick the table over then get on with it.
The rules are made up and the game doesn’t matter. Also the rules are hidden behind layers of procedural nonsense and you only find out you broke the rules after the fact.
It shouldn’t require hiring a legal team to get ballot access. My only point is this isn’t a democratic process.
also, the democrats literally don’t have to jump through these hoops, so tehy can spend their time and money making sure others don’t get on the ballot.
This is patently false. Why are you lying?
No one should vote for these green or third party candidates because they are not serious or legitimate.
They disappear after every election and do nothing for downballot candidates.theyre also paid by foreign actors.
No one should vote for these green or third party candidates because they are not serious or legitimate.
In YOUR opinion. But I, and many others, do and will vote third party. No matter how mad you are.
Having said that, I wouldn’t vote for West.
Absolutely agree. Even me posting about third parties here has brought more hate and mockery than I’ve ever experienced, even on Reddit! People can be toxic. lol
But all the backlash has only made me more determined to keep posting news about third parties!
I believe in people having options and diversity in political opinions. :)
Even if those options do nothing but help elect trump.
Be honest. You’re really just trying to get trump elected not 3rd party candidates cuz u know 3rd party candidates can’t get to 270
Be honest. You’re really just trying to get trump elected by making everyone doubt everyone elses intentions. You are just trying to sow discontent and confusion.
That makes no sense
Makes exactly the same amount of sense as the thing I was accused of. What part confuses you?
No, it doesn’t. Just repeating a statement, slightly modified, doesn’t mean it makes sense.
I can’t help you understand it. Good luck!
But all the backlash has only made me more determined
Oh sure sure. That’s the reason. 🙄
Thank God you’re here to make sure everyone remembers they can chuck their vote into a hole if they don’t care who wins.
Oh sure sure. That’s the reason. 🙄
I don’t have to explain anything to you. Believe me or not. I don’t care.
But I’ll keep posting. Thank you!
Of course you will because you’re most likely 1) a disinformation agent who is being paid to post these ridiculously stupid opinions, or 2) someone who is a “useful idiot” and genuinely believe that voting 3rd party is a complete waste of a vote when these 3rd parties do nothing for 4 years and only show up on election year to try and steal votes from Democrats.
a disinformation agent who is being paid to post these ridiculously stupid opinions
I didn’t write the article. So what “ridiculously stupid opinions” are you talking about?
when these 3rd parties do nothing for 4 years
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @[email protected] for the info)
State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
- Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
- Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
- Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
- Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
- Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
- John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
- Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
- Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)
Current Green Party Mayors
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
- Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)
Former Green Party Mayors
- John Reed - Fairfax, California
- Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
- David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
- Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
- Robb Davis - Davis, California
- Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
- Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
- Jason West - New Paltz, New York
Current Green Party City & County Council Members
- Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
- David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
- Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
- Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
- Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
- Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
- David Grover - Trinidad, California
- Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
- John Keener - Pacifica, California
- Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
- Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
- Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
- George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
- Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
- Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California
Former Green Party City & County Council Members
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
- George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
- Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
- Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
- Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
- Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
- Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
- Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
- Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
- Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
- Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
- Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
- Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
- Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
- Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
- Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
- Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
- Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
- Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
- Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
- Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
- Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
- Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
- Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
- Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts
Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
- Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
- Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
- Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
- Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Carl D’Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
- Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
- Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
- Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
- Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
- Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
- Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
- Vincent O’Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
- Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
- John Powell - Montecito, California
- Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
- Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
- Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
- Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
- Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
- Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
- Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota
Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
- John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
- Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Kim O’Connor - Hillsbor
What percentage do the names of the literal entirety of current elected green officials you listed, as granularity as local elections, represent of the total elected positions? Hint: in 1992 that total was about 520,000 people.
Edit: lol didn’t even realize you included former appointments.
My point was they don’t only run pres elections.
Friend, I’m not voting for her. But the green party does more than just run for president. Now if you wanna argue percentages, ok, cool. But they do run for offices, as I’ve shown you.
Didn’t ask you to explain anything. I wouldn’t believe your “explanation” if you gave one.
I wouldn’t believe your “explanation” if you gave one.
So then what’s the point of accusations then? Because you’ve just admitted that you will believe what you wanna believe. So maybe you should let it go.
Some things are true, whether you believe them or not. And I’ll keep posting any articles that I find interesting. Thank you! :)
I didn’t make accusations did I? Look, you’re welcome to block me of you don’t want to see my comments on the articles you post.
Voting 3rd party in a US election = not getting a say in which of the actual candidates gets elected. I’ll keep reminding folks about that unless you’re trying to say certain viewpoints shouldn’t be freely expressed…
You have a narrative you wanna push, all because I am not voting for you candidate.
I’m fine with you being against 3rd parties. You keep arguing against them, I’ll keep arguing for them. Unless you’re trying to say certain viewpoints shouldn’t be freely expressed.
I’ll keep posting. And you keep posting.
As long as the news reports on them, I’ll post them. :)
