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I didnt upvote the other python-beginer friendly meme cause it wasn’t accurate. But this one is on point.
Hey, no pointers!
Oh god, I feel this. Why can’t there be a sane language‽
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Amen. Now, where’s that Wine?
It would have to be written by sane people.
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There are 2 types of programming languages
- The type everyone keeps complaining about
- The type no one uses
People complain about perl, but no one uses perl.
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but Python, like most languages, can be as complex as you make it.
Preach!
Yeah my code is a disaster!
no i will NOT use more than one line in my scripts
Are any of those things that you actually deal with as a beginner, though? Sure, those add complexities, but by the time you start to get into them, you are probably no longer a beginner.
Of course… But the idea is that it is misleading… And there’s more traps the beginners falls into. I have a feeling if beginners begin with C++, or other language that is strongly typed and requires memory management and then do some other language that is more abstract like python; they will become better programmers compared to them doing it in reverse.
Yeah but fuck all that python is good enough for most beginners. Variables, scope, loops, functions, operators… Once you get some of the principles down switching to C++ or similar isn’t nearly as bad.
Being a person that tried to learn C/C# from scratch in my early days python was a good gateway language.
Is it the language’s fault that you want to solve complex problems?
Is it? No. Is it also my fault I am stupid? No.
Very little of this is uniquely a problem in Python. It seems to me that your problem is with software development in general.
I used to love it so much more…
Best scientific packages in the open source by far, a library for everything, everybody knows it. Works on all kinds of systems. Available by default in many OSs.
You might not like it, but you can’t leave.
Can’t speak for the science libraries as I’ve never used em, and I’ll gladly just blindly accept that as truth, but for everything else it’s always a pain in the ass. For being designed to “run on anything” it sure is funny that 90% of the time I download a python app it doesn’t fucking work and requires me to look up and manually setup a specific environment for it. Doesn’t help that the error messages are usually completely random and unrelated to this…
I always dread when some fucking madman makes the installer for their app in python, knowing it’ll probably fail… God forbid it’s a script that’s supposed to modify something else. Always a good time for reflection upon the choices that led me to this point.
Even my old scripts I kept around for sentimental value. Half of those don’t work either, and I can’t be bothered to figure out what version I made em for.
I tried my best to scrub python from my pc out of principle, but as you say, it’s soo common my distro uses it as a dependency, fucking bullshit!
The summary that I liked from the last post was “python is the second best language for everything”. There’s always something specialized and better for every given job. But, if you want one tool that’ll do a solid job everywhere, python is your go to.
and c is the first best for everything!
For how popular of a language python is, at this point it’s a bad sign to me that the language has default way to manage versions and create new projects. I get having options, but options are annoying to new folk.
Honestly also annoying as a not-so-new folk. I just thought about this yesterday, I reasonably expect to clone a random project from the internet written Java, Rust et al, and to be able to open it in my IDE and look at it.
Meanwhile, a Python project from two years ago that I helped to build, I do not expect to be able to reasonably view in an IDE at all. I remember, we gave up trying to fix all the supposedly missing dependencies at some point…
Why would it be a bad sign that the language has built in tools for common things you need to do?
oh my fuck. circular imports.
I set out to create a Discord Bot in Python, then gave up trying to use an easy “proper” server-side language and just did it in TypeScript
Looks like user error
The thing that annoys me the most is how it cares about whitespace/carriage returns. I remember back in college when I was taking a CS class, learning Python and writing the Code on a Windows PC, emailing it to myself, and then attempting to run the code on Linux. Before I learned about the carriage return conversions, I remember having to rewrite about 75 lines of code before I got it to run. 🤬
The syntax wouldn’t work without consistent spacing
Some people in the comments didn’t take it as tongue-in-cheek as I did. 😝
I thought this was really funny. That’s a good collection of toe stubs.
There is a lot of stuff to learn to be good at python but I still love it.
This is so true & unfortunately everyone keeps telling beginners to start at Python
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“Print needs ()”
Oh fuck off. years of code that cannot be easily redone in ANY editor. Whoever OCDd that into python 3 needs to have their asshole kicked up into their mouth.
Meanwhile Nim:
echo "I am still worthy"
let a = r"I hate the ugly '\' at the end of " & "multiline statements"
for x in 0..9: if x == 6: echo x echo x # this is error in Nim, but not in python. Insane!
assert false + 1 # this is an error (python devs in shambles) assert true - 1 # see above
Thanks for coming to my Ted-talk.
More here: Nim for Python Programmerswhy would it not have brackets? i detest syntax that is only applicable to a handful of situations and has to be specifically memorized separately from how every other part of the language works.
Not after 10 years of it not having brackets. And providing no editing ability to change it as a macro. That’s just cruel and inhumane and psychopathic.
Imo is more intuitive the need of () in print,like is a function like any other, why would not use ()?
If you developed it to not have brackets for the first one or two decades. Especially if there’s no possible way to easily edit it. You’re a psychopath to not consider this.
That’s what major versions are for - breaking changes. Regardless, you should probably be able to fix this with some regex hackery. Something along the lines of
new_file_content = re.sub(r'(?<=\bprint)(\s+)(?!\()', '(', old_file_content) new_file_content = re.sub(r'(print\(.*?)(\n|$)', r'\1)', new_file_content)
should do the trick.