Ban abortions, then starve the children. If wasn’t already apparent that the Republican Party is evil, this should make things much clearer.
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Is it the government’s job to feed us? Who do i call to order my free Wendy’s
Starving children don’t learn. An educated populace is good for the economy. Feeding children benefits you directly in the long-term.
But people like you never think about things past the short-term.
Fix the broken arse country so people can afford food. But until then, don’t feed the rich kids. Your money will go further
And down voting not giving rich kids free food. Amazing
Yes, you ghoul, you do have a moral responsibility to help feed starving children in your community. Morality is wild, eh?
Totally possible. I dont need to feed rich peoples children
That’s arguably the single most fundamental job of the government, yes.
The fucking romans had this figured out god damn.
I am curious, what did the romans do?
Give free food to poor people, it was literally an easy way to win votes to simply promise more food to the poor.
The aqueduct?
Brought peace?
Bread and Circuses
I disagree. You will always run out of other people’s money
did someone forget to change to a puppet account? nice one
What, what are you talking about. This is my only account
I disagree 100%. It’s the governments job to provide a safe environment to be individually free to be successful.
And “bread and circuses” what’s a reference to a distracted demos
you… do realize you’re just straight up saying that people should die, right? like there are people who need free food to not starve to death.
Nope. Just feed the poor ones.
Do you like giving your taxes to feed the rich?
It’s actively more efficient to just give free food to everyone, qualifying it just adds administrative overhead and gives space for already at-risk people to fall through the cracks because holy shit guess what, they don’t tend to have the time or energy to spend on filling in 500 pages of paperwork to apply for welfare!
Yes, fucking give billionaires potatoes, i think society can survive that terrible terrible expense.
Hang on. Are you saying government bureaucracies are inefficient and wasteful. You need to be careful expressing opinions like that round here you’ll get down voted.
You can’t have a safe environment if people are starving.
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starving people tend to do whatever it takes to not starve to death, because you know they don’t want to die
Ooookaaaayyyyy
Food should be a basic right. So, yes. I would argue that it should be the government’s job.
In fact, I would argue that all the basic survival needs should just be provided to us free of charge. Leave money and income and working as such for earning yourself luxuries.
Anything less and you’re just forcing people to work under the threat of starvation and homelessness. And is that right?
…also were talking about literal children here. It’s not like they have a choice exactly.
I would LOVE if we could get to that system.
Everything paid for, you can sit at home all day if you want, but that will be with no luxuries.
You want Netflix and games and hobbies and whatever? Get a job to earn luxury income.
And it wouldn’t even be hard to do. We would simply have to not have fucking BILLIONAIRES. That’s about it.
I agree. We need a federal lawsuit to enforce this. The federal government has been completely ignoring homelessness and the complete lack of a social safety net throughout the US and it’s just killing the country.
100% wrong. Anything that can run out can never be a “right”. Freedom of speech can be, freedom from unjust search and seizure can be.
What happens when the money, or the food, or the houses run out?
I’m in the UK. It doesn’t matter that we have an NHS (which I am a huge fan of btw), I have zero hope of being able to use it in anything like a timely manner because it’s falling to bits. Not even healthcare can be a “right”
NHS is a government service you explicitly pay for (unless you are exempt from NI). It is not a right, it is something you purchase. You can be exempt from paying due to your personal circumstances, but if all is well - you pay. The fact that our beloved government does not deliver what you pay for is another topic, but it certainly should.
I agree. Do you think it should be a right?
Thin ice. I believe there must be a balance between free capitalism and a moderately strong government with a safety net. People do fail in life, that should not necessarily lead to death. Children in particular are hungry not because they failed, but because their parents did. And there is a role for the government to support the children in need. This was a role of a tribe in the early days, or community slightly later; then governments took over. This safety net has to exist for other categories of people in need, the extent of this support is to be debated in a healthy society. Personally I do see a merit even in the universal income. Not because this is everyone’s birthright, but because it may soon become a necessity.
Yes, fuck you
To feed children? Step back, take a look in the mirror, and ask yourself where you went wrong that you’re talking about taking away food from children’s mouths. You are a monster.
If you also think abortion should be illegal in addition to not feeding them, you aren’t just a monster, you’re an indescribably awful evil.
Who says I’m against free school meals. Just not distributing them in a wasteful way. Tell you what, we have the school meals, but it has one control, you have to apply. That’s it, no means testing. That would reduce the number of meals severed to wealthy children straight away.
In the UK we have a similar thing with heating bills. Old people get a heating allowance if they need it or not. You can’t chose to not have it. Let’s put the same control on there
I can afford £2 a day, happily, but my youngest gets meals regardless. In fact, these meals were a huge problem for lots of schools that were not equipment to feed the first 3 years of school entrants.
Why don’t you take a look in the mirror and ask how you can be happy garisnhig the wages of low I come workers to feed my children?
You do realize taxes are not the same amount taken from everyone? And if you’re poor enough you don’t pay anything on taxes. If you’re a step above that, you get back everything you paid on taxes at the end of the year. I’m not really sure why you think tax funded lunches would garnish wages from the poor.
I love how everyone stars with “you do realize”. Nobody here is interested in conversation.
Yes, I do know that. Is there a cost of living crisis? Do you think higher tax payers are also finding it had to make ends meet?
Should we change the threshold, perhaps, where does that lost revenue come from? We would need to sort that out.
Also, nice strawman about abortion, you have zero idea about my opinions
No, it’s not a straw man at all. It’s a logical thing to bring up when you are stating that children don’t deserve to be fed by taxpayer money. The state forces chosen to exist and then makes it illegal for taxes to pay for their food thereby proving that they don’t give a damn about the kids at all.
I don’t say that, the needy should be helped, not those who are not needy.
Are government rape gangs forcing women to get pregnant. Jesus, you should vote against that.
You have no idea on my opinions on abortion, a guarantee
What is the governments job if it‘s not „preventing children from staeving“?
To put ovide an environment of personal safety and property rights so people can be independently prosperus. I have no issue with a welfare state, but that is not the primary function of government.
What happens when you run out of other peoples money?
Other people’s money. You mean taxes? What are our taxes supposed to do if not help people?
Lots of things. Roads. Police, healthcare, army, find ten civil service required to make it all work.
And also a welfare state
In my opinion, yes. But even if you disagree with that.
This is the federal government attempting to undo states choosing to feed children. So this is even worse, this is them actively taking away the ability for states to choose to feed children.
It literally is, by the doctrine on parens patriae. It is the duty of the state to act in the best interests of its citizens who unable to pursue those interests themselves, whether it’s because they are incapacitated, or minors. This goes back centuries, to the time of monarchy. Our ancestors resolved the question of “who should care for the orphans?” with the simple answer, “it is the king’s duty.”
It is the government’s job, in its role as sovereign, to feed kids who don’t get enough to eat. And if it’s not, we should just burn it all to the fucking ground, because why else even have a society?
What makes you think I don’t agree with that?
Nothing! That’s why I framed my reply as a factual statement, rather than a personal attack.
Wow. The first person on this thread to not just insult me.
I have no issue with free school meals, I just don’t want them to be universal, feeding rich kids is crazy.
It’s easier for everyone to have free meals than a select few, I feel. It would also get rid of an easy target on lower income kids being bullied for having the “free lunch”.
Probably also much cheaper per. Trying to set up a meals program for the fee underprivileged - probably should just order Panera delivered. But if you go through the overhead of setting up a program, the cost of more meals is probably marginal.
Also, how about when kids forget. Why does it always seem to be the teacher who has to buy emergency food?
To me, it’s like prison: kids always compare school to prison, so let’s go with that. The government is forcing them to be there past meal times, and not letting them out. The school is claiming parental authority to watch out for their needs. One of them is food, dammit
In case you didn see my reply to the guy below 👇 it addresses some of your points too
Yes, the government is wasteful and bureaucratic I agree. Is my solution anyone can have the free meals if they apply for it they’re simple to apply for through the school.
That would immediately eliminate a huge number of unnecessary lunches to purchase. I would happily have been buying my kids their school lunches through their first three years of school, but that was not a choice offered to me.
When I went to school half the kids are on preschool dinners literally nobody cared.
Incidentally my family were dirt poor when I was a little but we weren’t poor enough to qualify for free school lunches but we may do with sandwiches. Presuming the poor are incapable and requiring of constant charity is the soft bigotry of low expectation
It’s a major failure of a society when people don’t have access to the basics. Basic food, water, shelter, and basic healthcare. America fails quite badly on this.
Wendy’s is luxury food however. If you want it, go earn money and buy it yourself.
100% agree. Things are totally broken and the way the USA is being run is a shit show.
There are no saviours from either party.
The end of empire is basically here.
Oh, so you get to decide who is entitled to nice food. 🤔
You forgot to log into your other account again didn’t you x3
Please explain. I don’t understand what point you are getting at. Am I contradicting myself
You’re arguing against feeding fucking children…
Did you ever stop to think, “are we the baddies?”
Unbelievable.
You want to tax the poor to feed rich peoples children, you absolute monster
I’m pretty sure we’re saying the opposite… We want to tax THE RICH. You know, the guys with billions and paying almost no taxes because of loopholes only they can use.
How about they pay their FUCKING FAIR SHARE so the rest of us aren’t left picking up the damn tab every time.
Quit using bad faith strawman arguments you absolute monster.
What? Bad faith straw men?
I’m expressing my exact point
Wendy’s
Dyslexic here. Thanks
Two downvotes for being neurodiverse. Best place is actually worse than Reddit
Come on now.
You guys will make up ANY ridiculous straw man argument to screw yourself and everyone over won’t you? You just are desperate to make everyone except the 1% stay suffering.
“you guys”?
I swear everyone in this thread is having a hallucination that I’m somebody I’m not. I presume you think I’m sort of some of red that wearing uber conservative?
Do people’s actual opinions matter at all.
Perhaps I should think you’re a communist or something and then accuse you of it?
You’re right. Let’s send the children back to the mines, otherwise they dont deserve to eat.
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Bread and Circuses.
You’re an evil ghoul. Evil ghouls get banished, not fed.
You have no idea about me but are happy to say I should be banished? Out of interest, how do you feel about Stalin?
Stalin burns in the depths of hell for betraying his people and his own revolution, not just for being a homicidal maniac.
Ghouls like you can join him.
He called me a tankie earlier. He’s not all there.
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Again, do you understand what putting quotes around a word means? It doesn’t sound like you do. And no feelings were hurt, that’s a lie. I’m not sure why you’re lying.
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I don’t take kindly to starving kids, especially in the richest country to ever exist.
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It basically is in a fairly straightforward way.
In the Declaration of the Independence it states thusly:
“that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Since you cannot have Life without food, it would logically follow that it is the government’s job to (secure these rights) food for people. If it does not, then the Declaration of Independence states that we can overthrow the government.
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Children
The Constitution doesn’t say anything about who produces what. It just says that you have the right to those things, and that the states sole purpose is to ensure that.
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Wow, the smooth brain takines of this sub would down vote me out of existence and “banish” me if they had the chance. Great advert for the society you would run.
None of you have any inquiry as to why I would say that.
“No abortions! Those kids need to be born to starve!”
The late great George Carlin has a bit on advocating for the unborn I can’t be fucked to find atm.
If you’re pre-born you’re fine, if you’re preschool you’re fucked!
Note to myself if I ever get reincarnated: I’m staying in that womb no matter what 😎
Although “pro-lifers” don’t care about providing even for fetuses. They’re not investing in healthcare, they’re shutting down everything they can that is associated with abortion, which is mainly the people who actually care and the field of medicine that deals with pregnancy.
The supreme Court in its June 24th ruling last year overturning Roe versus Wade argued that there weren’t enough infants available for adoption:
"“[N]early 1 million women were seeking to adopt children in 2002 (i.e., they were in demand for a child), whereas the do- mestic supply of infants relinquished at birth or within the first month of life and available to be adopted had become virtually nonexistent”);
(Pg. 35)
I saw that, and I COULDNT BELIEVE they put it to print. Babies as a commodity for white Christian women.
Also applies to the churches!
Most important quote from it:
“But as soon as you’re born, you’re on your own”
I mean, if you put enough effort into disincentivizeing kids from attending to school, maybe they’ll go back to work in meat packing plants and coal mines like god intended!!
Sarah, don’t you have a state to “govern”?
A lot of students don’t want to go to school but have no choice, both because of societal and legal pressures.
A lot of kids also don’t want to brush their teeth, go to bed at reasonable hours, or clean their rooms.
Kids don’t really get to just do whatever they want it turns out because they aren’t the best at taking care of themselves and making good decisions.
For a lot of situations kids will do what you want them to do if you actually explain why you want them to do it. Furthermore, public schooling is not one of those things, because 13 years of it is clearly not best for some students.
Yes, this is good. In order for society to run and all people to vote and participate in our country, we need a minimum education.
If it were about minimum knowledge than you would be able to test out of it, and those not meeting minimum requirements wouldn’t be able to graduate. But as it stands the top 10% of 8th graders know more than the bottom 30% of highschool graduates.
You can test out of it and get a G.E.D. Many people do.
I got at GED. I also got a perfect score. Not because I’m some sort of genius, because there was not one single thing on it I hadn’t learned by the end of middle school.
What age did you get it at?
In my state and in many states you had to be at least 18 to be out of education. In many others its 16. Do you know of any examples lower than that?
No. When you go under 16 you are talking about a child that is too young to make executive decisions in the outside world that would be expected of an someone with a GED. High school and GED are culturally signs of being ready for adulthood. Under 16 is too young.
No, being 18 is the sign of that. There are 40 year olds without highschool degrees or GEDs, they’re still adults.
At the end of the day, it shouldn’t be about knowledge anyway, it should be about the ability to think and exercise sound judgment.
Agreed, but I’m not convinced school teaches someone that anymore than daily life does.
Where do people learn critical thinking skills? I was taught about propaganda and rhetoric in public elementary school (though, sadly, schooling in such matters was only in the “gifted” program). Though to be fair, I learned about pyramid marketing and the attraction of woo from my mother, queen of the pyramids, and experienced the targeted devaluing of education from my youth group pastor who was trying (with limited success) to keep from losing college kids “to the world.” The cognitive dissonance when I started college was extreme, to say the least.
In life, from family, from teachers(I’m not asking to defund public schools…), from the internet, self-taught, from books, etc. Many ways- clearly public schools aren’t effective for all students, so why are they condemned to it?
But, um, the first national free lunch programs were started in this country because when WWII started, the government found that the post-Great-Depression populace was so stunted from malnourishment that there was concern about recruiting enough eligible soldiers. So, does this mean Republicans no longer want a military? No more sending poor people to fight their wars?
I think it’s more of that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. AKA ignorance and lack of empathy.
Edit: “repeated” to “repeat it”.
Bone apple tea, or typo?
Voice to text run amok, actually.
Why would foreign agents want us to have a strong military?
If that is the case, this is a very pacifist move by the republicans. Kudos! Finally someone looking out for the peoples interests instead of corporate/military complex.
Instead of a military they’ll just have Russia annex us.
They’re trying to get rid of the they/them army and replace them with… uhhh… IDK that’s where my theory breaks down (probably because Republicans don’t normally make sense)
They’re fighting an obesity epidemic!
Yeah, the party with Donald Trump and Chris Christie in it are really trying hard to fight obesity.
Tough life you have there…
What does that even mean? When did I claim to have a tough life?
You have virtually no sense of humour. That’s sad.
Insulting me won’t explain what on Earth you meant.
I grew up poor and food stamps were an essential part of my childhood. I cannot believe these monsters would let anyone go without food. Absolutely disgusting.
I’m an adult & food stamps have gotten me through many rough patches. studies show that investing in social services is better for the economy than letting people starve, who woulda thunk?
Investing in people is the best decision you can make overall 😁🍻
Yeah, these “pro-life” monsters absolutely would have children starve to get closer to another 0 at the end of their bank accounts. Vote well, and influence your local community as much as you can!
Yeah, because the Dem leadership and the candidates they pick in the primaries have been doing doing a great job containing and restraining the worst elements of the far right 🙄
If you just vote for the same invertebrate corporate stooges again, they’ll be sure to do what they say THIS TIME!
We need a general strike and a viable and principled third party to the left of the Dem corporation.
While we’re listing things the country needs and structurally never will have, we also need oral sex and free steak dinners! It’s tough having to vote in the reality we live in, instead of the one we imagine
Even tougher when you stubbornly insist that it’s impossible to change it to more resemble the better one that we “imagine”.
If you always act on the presumption that you can’t do anything, you’ll be proven as weak and ineffectual as you think you are.
You should think more like labor unions and civil rights activists and less like Nancy Pelosi or her protégé, the somehow even worse Hakeem Jeffries.
Labor unions and civil rights activists want to change the party from within. A third party to the left of the Democrats will do nothing but ensure Republican victories from hereon in. They are aware of this. I’m not sure why you aren’t.
You’re wrong on both points. While some progressives support them and some neoliberals pay them lip service while actively supporting and accepting support from cops and billionaires, many labor unions and civil rights movements (especially the ones with a lot of millennial and gen Z members) have no party affiliation because they’ve been fucked over by the Dem leadership for the last 30+ years.
The best way to make sure Republicans don’t win isn’t to keep rushing for the middle ground every time they move farther right, to the point of now being a center right to right wing party. It’s staking out and defending a principled left wing position that’s much more in line with the actual policy priorities of the majority of the.
Tell me more about how splitting the vote is good thing in a two party system, I need a good fairy tale to send me to sleep
How do Republicans lose if the left vote is split into two parties?
I’m not happy with the Dems either, but I do believe they will fight against the elimination of free school lunches. I will vote for them even if this is all they did.
Counting the GOP as “Blatantly Evil” shouldn’t even be a lukewarm take at this point.
It’s just like Jesus said, someone who hurts a hair on a child’s head is guaranteed to get into heaven /s
And lo, Jesus did taketh the loaf and the fish, and did so declare unto to the crowd that they could go forth and multiply, for the bread and the fish did belong only to himself.
Selfishness 14:7-10
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Imagine being a piece of shit as one of your party’s pillars
Actually skip the imagine part
Now imagine people voting for you despite it being against their interests.
Literal clown world.
Why are they still allowed to rule? They demonstrate clearly that they are not fit for the job.
Family values means forcing children in already marginalized and impoverished families to go hungry.
There family values mean “I value my family, not anyone else’s”, they’re a weird mob.
“I’m not loving anybody I’m not legally required to”
Red Forman
Do they really even care about their own family?
More like “I value myself and the outward appearance that I care about my own”
Makes it way easier to gain support for “letting the kids work.” Since they’re just kids, we can probably let employers pay them less than minimum wage…paying all those kids a full minimum wage would cost too many jobs…besides, its not like they need to “live” off that money…its just supplemental income for the family. Everyone wins! Employers get cheap labor, and the poor are less educated and more desperate and thus easier to exploit.
/s obviously
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Can I get a source on this? Because I know the GOP is Batshit, but this is cartoonishly evil, and I feel like a republican voter will immediately assume it’s fake.
Looks like it was cropped from this New Republic article from last June.
In short, the article says the Republican Study Committee’s proposed 2024 federal budget calls for removing the Community Eligibility Provision from the National School Lunch Program which provides funding to low income schools to have free meals for students
States rights. Amirite?
The fact that my partner thought this was a real headline when I told her about it is a scathing indictment of the current republican party platform.
"The Republican Study Committee (of which some three-quarters of House Republicans are members) on Wednesday released its desired 2024 budget, in which the party boldly declares its priority to eliminate the Community Eligibility Provision, or CEP, from the School Lunch Program. Why? Because “CEP allows certain schools to provide free school lunches regardless of the individual eligibility of each student.”
I mean, maybe I’m wrong here, but I’m not against schools providing free healthy lunches to every student regardless of whether their parent makes minimum wage or is in the 1%, so long as we start taxing accordingly. I feel like if we legally make children attend school and get an education (which we should, to be clear) then we should feed them while they are there. If children are fed and learn healthy eating habits in school, it theoretically would set them up much better as they grow older, no? I don’t even have children and would be happy to see my tax dollars go to school lunches.
It’s also cheaper to give universal lunch than it is to means test.
Careful, that’s beginning to sound like socialist talk /s
You’re absolutely not wrong there. You have a heart and empathy. Children SHOULD NOT be punished for the financial situation their parents are in. A free school lunch may be the only real meal a child gets all day and that is horrible for their health and development.
We have the resources to provide breakfast, lunch, and dinner to every child in the public school system, and I absolutely think we should be doing that. Cut subsidies to boondoggles, increase taxes for the top 20%, purchase food in bulk on government contracts that have been negotiated for lower costs, and give children what they deserve.
Providing a basic need like food for them is the very least a modern rich society can do.
It would make sense if the food was actually edible. Michelle essentially ruined the school lunch system by not regulating the shortcuts taken to reduce costs of the program. Had actual investment went into it, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It’s a waste of money as it is, and should be reformed to be better.
Ah yes, Michelle Obama, the person who famously had zero regulatory authority, ruined school lunch. That’s definitely a thing that happened.
This is real.
Wait this is satire?
Me: oh, certainly that’s satire!
Also me: it’s…
it’s…
n…not…
…satire?? o_o
No it isn’t, and apparently it’s actually. Real headline. And when I went to read a little more about it, the republican study committee did release a 2024 budget proposal eliminating free lunches (among other things).
Lol it seems real
Even if it is satire, we’ve heard them attack school lunches before. A thing must be semi-plausible to trick people. They want to destroy public schools and this will be in their playbook at least locally in some districts.
Ah yes, the good ol’ “Well the fact that I believed it really says something about today’s society.”
I mean, the republican party has gone off the rails with their party platform the last few years that was kind of the point. Do you disagree?
I think the fact that this isn’t satire and this is a real and accurate headline says a lot about our society actually.
In case you wanted more proof that conservatives are evil.
