The answer is always in the middle. Let’s do a little basic needs but only for the rich and a little genocide but only in the middle east
It says something, that securing people’s basic needs is considered “far” left.
The joke is this is a meme made by the far left.
In reality they overspend till the government is soooo weak that their little friends can steal and rob in each and every part of the local government, central government ans government companies.
At least that’s how it goes in every single country in south America
Viva noboa Milei and bukele! Fck trump
Vote left in developed countries
Vote right in undeveloped countries
Unfortunately this is the way.
That’s not really the ideas of the left itself though but opportunists abusing the system for their own gains, perverting the very ideas that they swear to follow. Communism/socialism is a great idea that will always fail because of greedy, selfish people IMO.
yep totally the fault of corrupt crony governments and hUmAn NaTuRe and not because of some massive destabilizing force with a vested interest in preventing socialism from ever being successful
You say that as if one is exclusive from the other.
I mean in a way they kind of are. If the developing governments were going to take themselves out via death by corruption and had no chance of being successful on their own then there was never any reason for the US to get involved in the first place.
Dude come to South America. EACH and every single country has been infiltrated by extreme left narco dictators…
You can blame Cia but Venezuela el salvador ecuador argentina don’t lie…
Oh look… another centrist.
Viva noboa Milei and bukele!
If you think there is such a thing as a “far” left it means you are the joke.
my team: perfect angels your team: evil monsters
it literally does not matter what two groups you are comparing, if you sound like this then a lot of people are not going to engage
why do people say these thing when they know its not true
USA: we don’t have a left. Democrats are at best center.
This. Republicans and Democrats have been moving steadily to the right for the last 40 years. So now, Democrats are where Republicans were in the 1980s: boring corporatists who are best friends of banks, insurance and pharmaceutical companies. We haven’t had a real progressive president since Jimmy Carter and that was 50 years ago.
Meanwhile, the right has moved all the way into an insane asylum. Their best friends are Russian oligarchs, fascists, religious nutjobs and civil war re-enactors, who communicate on Twitter and “Truth Social” and call themselves “Republicans.”
USA has a left. They almost never win at the ballot box, though. You have to find them in the streets.
You don’t have a right either though, at least not a right on the democratic spectrum.
All you’ve got are “unacceptable” and “fascism”.
They are more right than russian right-wing politicians. Even in USSR second opposition party was right-wing Liberal-Democratic Party of Soviet Union.
Nowadays the right-left-continuum is already broken inside a single political region, I am pretty sure getting the USSR into the boat doesn’t make it easier.
And by the way, who was the “second opposition party” in the One-Party-System of the Soviet Union?
And by the way, who was the “second opposition party” in the One-Party-System of the Soviet Union?
I already mentioned LDPSU. Fist one was Democratic Union, right wing, but no longer exists. One-party-system was abolished in 1990
Does Russia have a living opposition party?
Putin: “Who are you going to vote for, me or the corpse?”
Also Putin: “The answer is me. Or else.”
It’s the SP party. It stands for sock puppet and are just for show to give everything a veneer of democracy
There was Yabloko, but I wouldn’t call it living party. Same for CPRF, another dead party on federal level. LDPR only pretends to be opposition on TV, you already can guess they are not. New People is sock puppet like LDPR.
On municipal level and in some regions things are slightly different:
LDPR had some popularity until Furgal’s arrest and subsequent idiot acting governor. Members of Habarovsk Krai’s LDPR either moved to UR(incumbent’s party) or remained in opposition and moved to CPRF. Furgal was arrested because he was more popular than Putin in Habarovsk.
CPRF: extensive regional network, comparable to what Navalny had. While in some regions they are puppets for UR, in most of regions they are opposition to UR, actively register observers(Putin hates observers, they ruin his falsifications), can register you as candidate from federal party and usually are supported by Smart Voting(Navalny and his supporters). Have string teams in many regions.
Navalny’s HQ(Shtab)/Russia of the Future: had extensive regional network that existed until his poisoning. Now it doesn’t.
Yabloko: sometimes registers observers, usually doesn’t, but sometimes does register good candidates, has strong team in Moscow and SpB, had strong team in Pskov. Sometimes supported by SV.
LDPR: shit in Moscow, had a lot of seats in east regions. It seems like they disappeared.
New People: Sock Puppet Party, but can randomly register humanoid candidate and sometimes this candidate wins.
On municipal elections even sock puppets has sometimes good candidates, but most municipal elections are FPTP.
The centrists has their basic needs met and isn’t part of a social group that is threatened so they see both as a waste of tax spending.
“If we just improve the education system, racism will go away.” - My centrist friend
Bro, no. Also, who the fuck do you think is trying to fund education? Assuming we even accept your premise.
Education does help, or the right wouldn’t be trying to gut it so hard. But it’s not all we need
Your friend is sort of correct. Improving education across the board would do leaps and bounds to help solve the problem.
Education system is broad enough term for your friend to be correct
As if whole branches of science hadn’t been proved to be racist both bottom up and top down
Implied by this: centrists see all this mainly as a financial matter.
Centrists are unwilling to accept change or inconvenience. This differs from conservatives who think things should go back to some sort of old way.
It’s really impossible to know what you mean here, because conservative should mean to keep doing what works: They should be social democrats (what worked to build the US e.g. Nixon lol). So we shouldn’t use that word any more. True conservatism would be more left wing than democrats today.
The GOP has become a reactionary or “paleo-conservative” which is really a misnomer too. What they really are now is a theocratic fascist party. But really they have no values at all except power and hate and inequality.
There are no real centrists, there is no center here. They are really corporatists who are willing to play politics in order to please the big capitalists or plutocracy. They love trump because they can keep cutting of left wing politics and not have a platform. In foreign policy they are fascist as well (american exceptionalism, a belief in inequality based on identity).
The gop are not the reactionary part, the DNC is. They are also centrists between the gop and a ghost of policies to the left.
I think we’re speaking different languages.
We gotta stop callin them conservatives. These shits are trying to roll things back, not keep it as-is. They’re the opposite of progressive: they’re regressive.
Balance is required to see things clearly. Just because both sides suck equally in their own ‘special’ way doesn’t change the fact they are their own worst enemy.
You’re right, of course, but a key trait of sociopaths is viewing people through the lens of what they can do for them.
Are you saying centrists are sociopaths?
I’m saying anyone who views other people this way has sociopathic tendencies. They just mentioned centrists.
Tankies on Hexbear: Both fascists, you really shouldn’t vote
Tankies and fascists get along well.
Neo-colonialism and anti-colonialism are just two sides of the same coin.
Maybe I’m the centrist in this scenario, but isn’t that just normal left? I’d expect far left to be like “we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”
In the US at least, the entire country is so far right that the position above is actually far left in our political sphere.
Haha yeah US is so backwards. And I’m surprised the world hasn’t built a massive wall around us because we literally use God as part of our laws, how many weapons we have stockpiled, how many citizens die from unnecessary violence, how little we care about the homeless.
And any sort of empathy about any of those problems, even pointing it out, isnt even a discussion point in politics because itll go nowhere fast.
we literally use God as part of our laws
Really? I thought USSA at least claimed to be secular state.
The ruling that just banned IVF in Alabama mentioned God over 20 times.
That just insane
And the justice is apparently a q-anon shill. Appeared on a talk.
And our Constitution says so too. Unfortunately, judges don’t seem to give a shit.
yeah but we have money and lots of it
The ‘far left’ described in that tweet is the ‘center right’ in Norway. USA politics feels weird and alien to Europeans.
I mean it feels weird and alien to us too.
All of it makes a lot more sense when viewed through the lens of who has money and who wants that money.
we are going to exterminate all the rich
Only edgy teens on social media genuinely think this is a logical political goal you should advocate for in the first world on this day and age
then give their stuff to everyone else
If you change this to: “concentration of private property in few hands is a poisonous hydra that will forever feed inequality”, then yes, that’s a milquetoast far left take, which often comes from the desire of actually “getting everyone’s needs met” and the idea that capitalism naturally organizes the economy in a way that disincentives letting a portion of the working class being comfortably capable of getting all their needs met.
And honestly, given the positions of most politicians on actually doing something to make housing affordable, I honestly think “getting everyone’s needs met” is becoming a far left position.
we are going to exterminate all the rich
Only edgy teens on social media genuinely think this is a logical political goal you should advocate for in the first world on this day and age
Nah, I’m not a teen. Chippity choppity! LFG!
You mean chippity choppity to their wealth, right? Right…?
Depends on what you mean by “far.” If you mean believing in a radical restructuring of society along Communist lines, this can be done peacefully. Pacifism is an extremist position as well. Conflating “radicalism” with “violence” is just centrism at work.
On the same hand, there are extremely violent centrists. Kissinger murdered millions of people as a liberal, for example, which is a center-right ideology. Centrism isn’t about non-violence.
“we are going to exterminate all the rich then give their stuff to everyone else”
This is so last century. we are going to exterminate all the rich by giving their stuff to everyone else.
Centrists think “We all want the same thing, why are you so biased against the fox’s ideas about how to build the henhouse?” They don’t believe the far right wants to exterminate, so the far left is evil for being willing to fight them.
It’s possible to be far left without being a psychopathic murderer.
I also believe I am center… To me it’s more like
Right: let’s go exterminate races. Left: ACAB, all cops are pieces of shit and deserve life sentences.
I mean, they aren’t totally equal, but there are better examples.
All cops are bastards though.
Until you need one.
I’m more likely to be assaulted by a cop than helped by one. Or randomly killed while they do triple the speed limit with no siren.
I hope someday your feelings of law enforcement can be repaired by them. This is a tragic relationship between people and those that are supposed to protect them.
I hope law enforcement keeps correcting this, which they should have done themselves but instead it took enormous pressure and numerous occasions of crimes by law enforcement.
Maybe one day, you won’t have to fell that way.
“I’m fiscally Republican and socially a Liberal” is another great line to hide behind.
It’s funny to see people that have swallowed anti communist peograganda hook line and sinker flounder in here trying to discredit the far left.
hehe peograganda
Far centre: Would you guys just fuck already.
Leftists: never show up to vote
Also leftists: nothing ever gets done. Both parties must be the same
Edit:
More info from Pew 2022 election polls:
Age and the 2022 election Age continues to be strongly associated with voting preferences in U.S. elections. Nearly seven-in-ten voters under 30 (68%) supported Democratic candidates in 2022 – much higher than the shares of voters ages 30 to 49 (52%), 50 to 64 (44%) and 65 and older (42%) who did so. Compared with 2018, GOP candidates performed better among voters who turned out across age groups.
Also:
Older voters turned out more reliably in both elections – and continued to be largely loyal to Republican candidates.
Leftists absolutely do vote, lmao. Voting won’t move America left though, because we have 2 right wing parties.
Leftists absolutely do vote
No they don’t.
In 2022, younger voters made up a smaller share of the electorate than they did in 2018. In 2022, 36% of voters were under 50, compared with 40% of voters in 2018. Decreased turnout among these more reliably Democratic voters contributed to the GOP’s better performance in November.
Older voters turned out more reliably in both elections – and continued to be largely loyal to Republican candidates. For example, among adults ages 69 and older in 2022
Pew Research - 2020 election
If leftists understood how much power they have at local elections they would absolutely participate. Same goes for federal. But time and time again, they don’t bother to be active politically because of attitudes like yours.
Young and leftist aren’t synonymous.
The numbers tell us that for the majority, that’s the case. Do you have numbers that show otherwise?
Gen X and millennials are increasingly liberal.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
When you say “liberal”, do you intend as something different than “left”? I just want to make sure I understand your labels. Thanks.
Those terms are more or less interchangeable in UD politics at the moment as I understand it. I find the usage of the term “leftist” about as vaguely useless as the term “woke”.
Youth voters do trend leftwards, but the reason for not voting isn’t because of being leftist, but because of being young.
Find an actual source.
I never said people don’t vote BECAUSE they are leftist, did I? Nothing you said disagrees with what I said: left leaning people (and by inclusion: young people) tend to participate less in elections. The current political leadership represents the people that voted for them: predominantly boomers. So in that regard, politicians are doing exactly what they were elected to do. What’s so difficult to understand?
You gave a source that says young people are voting less, not leftists, and your conclusion was that because young people tend to be more leftist, they aren’t voting.
Correct: Young people are overwhelmingly left, and young people don’t tend to vote. Where is the contradiction?
For comparison: conservatives are overwhelmingly older, and older people universally show up to vote.
I must be stupid and maybe I’m missing something. Walk me step-by-step where is the contradiction.
The statement was “leftists don’t vote,” not “young people don’t vote.” Leftists aren’t only young, and conservative youth don’t vote either.
@FlyingSquid In my humble experience and understanding ‘centrism’ has been always an euphemism for ‘far right’ for the “politically correct” miserable cowards…
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I talk to people in person and have discussions where I do just that. Online? So many fucking bullshit frauds pushing agendas that there is no point even attempting it. Online centrists are largely full of shit.
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