“I’m just ashamed that this bill even came into fruition,” a Lexington council member said.

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    The bill also gives people the ability to justify use of “defensive force” upon an unhoused person in instances of criminal trespass, including “unlawful camping” on the owner’s property. This would allow property owners to use deadly force against unhoused people on their property without facing criminal consequences.

    Sounds like Kyle Rittenhouse is gonna get his mom to drive him to Kentucky. Seriously though, this is fucking disgusting legislation. Homeless people are dehumanized enough but Kentucky is on the verge of legalizing hunting them for sport. What vile pieces of shit those 45 Republican co-sponsors are.

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    I was homeless just North of their border so the police here in Ohio set me up with a fake felony to keep me in jail. A dude stopped his truck in front of me while I was Doordashing, cornered me into a fist fight, and then told the police I hit him with my car. The people in the car behind me also backed him up. It never happened, so why was it so simple for me to be locked in jail indefinitely with my and lawyer telling me COVID suspended the fair and speedy trial? I cannot handle being in a noisy environment and have avoidant personality disorder, so I eventually caved to the plea deal. Now here I am nearly 2 years out with an ok job and my own place but I need to come up with $1100 before the end of the month for my fines or go back to court.

    I’m convinced they’re just trying to create a slave class. If you are an easy target, they’ll take you and mark your record so you have to be cheap labor for three upper class.

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      How it is people could possibly believe in the legitimacy of legal systems knowing how they only make it easier for evil people to victimize others instead of protecting them is beyond me.

      I am so sorry for what you went through.

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        It’s easy. Nobody gets to see what actually happened. They see what Fox news tells them and nothing of what goes on in the Hamilton county jail. More than likely nobody is even interested. They either have their own problems or are comfortable enough im their life to think I deserved what I got. There’s even people who are such rent seekers that they think I deserved it simply by virtue of not paying to live in a house.

        Nobody is gonna help me except my roommate.

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          I admit there probably isn’t much anyone here can do either, but you have my sympathy, friend, and my understanding. Please, keep your head up. We are in tyranny right now, but we have to believe that the world will turn and things will get better. We have to believe, because that belief is the only thing that will keep us going so we can see that better world.

          We believe you and support you.

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        I gotta say it.

        Ok Boomer.

        Society has failed everyone. It’s just that most people don’t see it.

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          I’m sorry but yeah your situation sucks if it’s true, but I don’t know really what you expect the court to do if there are multiple witnesses saying this happened.

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            Prove it. Can’t prove what didn’t happen? Apparently we now gotta indefinitely jail someone until they give up. /s

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              I’m not saying indefinitely jail them, but that’s a serious accusation, and if there are witnesses then I can see why a jury would be convinced. Of course it’s ridiculous you didn’t get a speedy trial, but I think it’s pretty fair to jail someone over that accusation.

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                A jury wasn’t convinced. They wouldn’t let me have a jury. They wouldn’t let me in the court room until I agreed to their bullshit.

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    Because nothing says ‘qualified immunity’ quite like gunning down the homeless

    I can’t believe I wanted to live in America fifteen years ago. Now I wanna stay the hell away. Y’all are unhinged.

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        Lots of other languages have a dedicated word for second person plural, but English only has dialects that do.

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          You can be used plurally. Ye used to be commonly used as a second person plural but now sounds old fashioned because it fell into disuse.

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            “You” isn’t a dedicated word, since it’s typically used in singular. It’s common to have something specific to the task in other languages.

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              Agreed, it’s a little awkward to use you as a plural and that’s what ye used to be used for.

              But ye is even more awkward. I suspect through frequent usage, “you” as a plural would start to feel just fine.

              In common conversation, it’s my experience that “you guys” winds up being the winner in American English. But it gets really dreadful when the speaker is trying to address a crowd with possessives and they’re using that expression.

              “This is what I was asking about from your guy(essess) [sic] presentation last week”…I just…wince a bit when I hear it…and I’ve said things like it myself but that doesn’t make it any better.

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      We were entirely unhinged in 2008. You might have been buying into Obama’s Hope and Change rhetoric, but that was all just campaigning nonsense. Obama is a total neoliberal and kept most of Bush’s policies.

      We were in lockstep on the path to fascism even then, though media only admitted it once Trump walked away with the Republican Party.

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        The problem with saying everyone is a fascist is it desensitizes everyone so they don’t know what an actual fascist is.

        Unless that was your plan all along…

        Are you a fascist?

        You sound like a fascist, so you’re probably a fascist. If you’re probably a fascist that means you’re definitely a fascist.

        When will you stop being a fascist?

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              Do you understand that the point youre making is that it is not fascist to kill a vulnerable subgroup of the population that has been marked as undesirable?

              Do you also understand that your point is directly contradictory to every single professional study of real, actual fascist organizations and governments?

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            Maybe we should make a list of things that aren’t fascist, it would save a lot of time. I mean if Obama doesn’t make the “not fascist” list, then what actually does make that list?

            We should also consider compiling a list of actions that are not genocide, because that word seems to be slapped on everything nowadays too.

            Or maybe we could create a fascist scale and grade every world leader past and present to prove that everyone is a little bit fascist and therefore fascism is nothing to worry about. “You know in some ways we could consider Obama to be a little bit fascist…”

            Or maybe we should just focus on the fascists that a clear and present threat to democracy. Like Trump and Putin. Might make it a little easier to consider what needs to be done to prevent democracy from being ended by these assholes.

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          Except in this case, the US public (the press at least) has done the introspection. The transnational white power movement, and the Christian nationalist movement (there’s a lot of intersection) qualify for all of Umberto Eco’s fourteen properties of fascist ideology. They also adhere to Luis Britto García’s eight characteristics of Fascism. These movements also feature Emilio Gentile’s ten elements of fascism.

          Now I understand in the age of internet discourse, we have to be mindful of Godwin’s rule of Nazi analogies, so it may not be enough for us to simply say that the US state is fascist so much as we have to be explicit about how it compares, such as (a few examples out of dozens, if not hundreds):

          • The overconfinement of inmates by the federal and state prisons, or of extrajudicial detainees in detention centers without reasonable hygiene or living provisions so that disease runs rampantly through them, what came to light during the COVID-19 lockdown.
          • The lack of reasonable oversight of law enforcement allowing them to seize or kill at will, comparable to the Freikorps irregulars from which Rohm’s Sturmabteilung were recruited.
          • ICE’s defiance of orders to arrest and deport immigrants only if they were convicted felons, instead arresting and detaining them at will, often deporting them not to nations of origin but into the hands of human traffickers, and sometimes detaining American citizens that were insufficiently nationalized (e.g. didn’t speak English and were too dark) knowing they had a slim chance of ever getting back to home soil. Compare this to the Heydrich’s Sicherheitsdienst who was ordered only to arrest and detain undesirables that were already violent criminals. Not only did Heydrich ignore the violent criminal provision but also kept adding new qualifiers to the undesirables list that qualified for arrest. His batch of detainees ballooned so quickly as to turn from a warehouse in Berlin to the massive complex of concentration camps that we were taught about in school. And we know (or should know) how that story evolves.

          I studied the holocaust in the aughts once the US started doing Are We The Baddies stuff, wondering if that process might be a thing to watch for, so if you aren’t sufficiently educated about the German genocide machine, and how it applies to the United States in the 2020s, there’s way too much to compare.

          I could go on and on and on about the capture of the federal government, the denial of judicial confirmations to President Obama, so that a Republican president (Trump) could flood the Federal judiciary with Federalist Society judges, the countless judicial carve-outs of civil protections allegedly guaranteed by the fourth, fifth and sixth amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the bloated prison state that has more inmates (total or per capita) than any other penal system on the planet, including nations that are supposed to be scary and authoritarian like China and DPRK. And if you really were interested, I could go into the specifics as to how all that compares to the German Reich starting about a Century ago.

          In 2013 when Edward Snowden blew the whistle on NSA’s PRISM, XKeyscore and ESCHALON programs, we had learned they were over ten years in the making. I didn’t want to find out that the US is executing and incinerating people by the thousands per day, and find out we’ve been doing it for years now. So far we’re not there yet, but it is conspicuous how much latitude law enforcement and prison officers have when it comes to cruel treatment, violence or even killing.

          So yes, the US is already doing fascism by the bunches, and a couple of huge, dangerous movements are established in state and national politics that are invoking a lot of fascist narratives. But now the Republican party is looking to neuter elections in the US, make it a one-party state and swap out any official (elected, appointed or hired) that doesn’t salute the new world order, as per Project 2025 by the Heritage Foundation. It’s easy to websearch. That should scare the snot out of all of us regardless of whether the F-word is attached to it.

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    "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

    -Some Socialist Groomer Theater Kid

    I’d bet any amount of money that most of not all of this bill’s co-sponsors profess (at least surrounding election time) to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and a striving to be more Christlike. And all of them seemingly impervious to cognitive dissonance.

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      I’m an atheist who believes strongly in separation of church and state, but I would dearly love for this to be appended to the law as an amendment. The place is already a theocratic nuthouse so might as well use that to do some good for a change.

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    After reading the article, it’s 100% about creating a slavery pool. Murdering hobos is just icing on the cake.

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    Not that the unhoused deserve this–it’s vile, violent, and fascist.

    Not that this bill will pass, even in Kentucky, or be upheld by the courts, even in Kentucky.

    But the fact that this decriminalizes shooting homeless people for anyone means that 100% someone would use it to shoot their neighbor, probably on purpose, while claiming they thought he was homeless.

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      The cynic in me sees this as a clear play to jostle the Overton Window. Sure this won’t pass, but will the people who suggested it face consequences? How much heat actually comes their way?

      Now they’ve checked the temperature and got away with it, they can try some other reprehensible thing and see if the backlash is manageable.

      Repeat until hell on earth.

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        Here’s how I see it. Dems want WW3, GOP wants 2nd Civil War. I’m backing Dems because, as much as it sucks to admit it, we as Americans need an external threat or we will rip each other’s throats out. I cannot recall a time of relative peace since the 90’s.

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          we as Americans need an external threat or we will rip each other’s throats out.

          This is directly out of Leo Strauss, who was a major influence on neoconservative thought. It’s also fundamentally fascist, following the “life is permanent warfare” point in Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascisim.

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      True. There are quite a few people who are actively looking for a legal loophole to kill someone. Preferably a minority, but they might not be that picky. You can find lots of these people on gun forums.

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    This is the Christian Nation they want to build.

    Murder the disadvantaged, without consequence.

    Just like Jesus would have done! /s

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      For your edification Behind The Bastards did a two parter on how Capitalism Ate Christianity, which I’m pretty sure what happens with any faith that stays in power for too long. (On Youtube: Chapter One, Chapter Two )

      This is to say it was an actual conspiracy of plutocrats to turn Christianity into the pro-America, anti-communist hyperviolent mess that Evangelical Christian nationalism is today, since the Great Depression and the New Deal pissed off the industrialists.

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        Religion is what its always been.

        a means of control and of manufacturing supportive fervor. a means of generating others that you no longer have to view as human beings, and last but not least, a means of justifying vileness and violence against those you detest.

        used to be kings and popes that the fervor was directed at.

        Now its fascists and idiots (and fascist idiots)

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      Pro Life until birth.

      It’s more fun when they can run and plead for those lives, I guess.

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    The GOP is desperately trying to make everything outside of being a wealthy white male conservative illegal.

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    “How do we solve the housing crises?” Kentucky: “Thats easy! Just aim for the center of mass”

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    I think the headline writers need some lessons in political antagonism. This should be “New GOP bill legalizes murder of vulnerable people such as disabled American veterans.” “Pro-military” party? Patriotic party? Thank you for your service, lol. We’re really pro-imperialism. Now that we have destroyed you, we just want you to go away.

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    Back in 1990, San Diego CA downtown was a run down area. As a young man, I saw and help the area flourish. But that was the whole gentrification thing. I, a poor minority person of color helped make the place awesome…for someone else to buy and for me and my family to leave. However, as I left during the pandemic downtown seems to have grown back to its old drug and homeless habits. Tent city once again, but this time the are is unaffordable for anyone to try and help clean it up. It’s a nice place to live but now the question is, if only rich people live there, who will bridge the homeless people over back to humanity? Right? If there’s no bridge class, then the only solution is to get rid of them by force. That, in the eyes of the rich who live there. If you’re not rich and barely getting by, you’re basically the help.

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    The Republican speaker of the house tells us we can’t fully commit to Ukraine until we address the issues in our own home.

    This is what they envision when they talk about problems here at home. They want to be able to persecute/harm/kill anyone they perceive as lesser whether that be a homeless person or an LGBT person, or other such minority.

    Fuck these christofascist monsters, Jesus Christ himself would be disgusted. Care for the poor and the sick? Nah that’s woke Jesus, conservative Jesus cheers you on as you bash a person in the face simply for having less money than you