Yeah, Pro-Israel voters are single issue voters. Everyone else will have multiple competing priorities, and ending a genocide is jockeying for a spot on the list with healthcare, economic equality, education, and human rights at home. Biden might lose the pro-Palestine single issue voters, but they aren’t going to show up to vote for Trump, and they don’t exist in numbers that will swing any particular state Biden’s way.
Until and unless the voters demand a change to our policy in Israel, Biden isn’t the sort of “leader” to challenge his supoorters.
Not at all. But that’s my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party’s nomination.
There is no help for Palestinians coming from the United States government.
Not at all. But that’s my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party’s nomination.
because of the foreign influence campaign? I can think of a few who are… not being bribed…
Of course there is that, but don’t kid yourself, there are a lot of pro-Israel voters who really do support whatever Israel does. And as I mentioned, those voters care more about supporting Israel than they care about most other issues. They won’t vote for a candidate who doesn’t support Israel no matter what, and they vote (and donate) in large numbers in key swing states.
And, like I already mentioned, the voters who don’t support Israel no matter what are mostly opposed to the genocide of Palestinians, but that isn’t the most important voting issue for those voters. The few voters for which stopping Israel from committing genocide haven’t historically voted (or donated) in sufficient numbers to swing any state one way or the other.
The upcoming Presidential election might be the first one where Palestine shows up on exit polls as a priority issue, but since neither candidate is willing to criticize Israel, it’s hard to predict where those voters will take their votes, other than home.
Supporting genocide reflects poorly on Biden’s character, values, humanity, and elective viability.
It’s entirely possible that Israel’s psychotic ethnic cleansing is going to hand the election to Trump who will absolutely pioneer new dimensions of anti-Semitism to unleash on the single issue voters who worried that progressives might choose human rights over supporting Israel’s extermination of Gazans.
There are a lot of people who really do not support the idea that we should be funding one country’s apartheid and ethnic cleansing of a rival regional ethnic group. Some of them will stay home, some of them will vote Trump not knowing that he’s worse.
I’m not super concerned with popularity of my opinions. Israel has murdered men,women, babies, and their own hostages while indiscriminately bombing absolutely everything. Israel’s behavior is so inhuman It is an existential threat to the state of Israel. That’s why we’re commenting on an article where people are losing support for Biden because he has been enabling a murderous regime of a rogue state that is engaged in genocide.
Netanyahu needs to go to the Hague where he should be hung until dead and left for the crows. He’s no different than Hamas and people are waking up to that.
Are you missing the part where Biden is losing support?
I’m not super concerned with the popularity of my opinions, but the president definitely should care whether or not his choice to indulge a psychotic rogue state’s extermination of the native population is going to lose him support domestically. Did you even look at the article?
Are you missing the part where Biden is losing support?
The election cycle has not even begun. The war will be over and in the rear view mirror, and Biden will not be challenged on his support of Israel, meaning this is a nothingburger.
I understand you are passionate about this, but this is how election cycles work.
He’s currently being abandoned by young progressives over his decisions in this war. This is the demographic he needs to win the most, so you can probably see the problem here.
If they consistently voted, that would be a bigger threat. Vote third party because no one will believe the demographic that consistently sits out elections sat this one out specifically to hand the country to fascists. That didn’t work out so well for Germans or the rest of the world, but maybe the Fourth Reich is the charm.
Like I said to the other guy: They don’t vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020 (the highest in a very long time). If Biden can’t get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, and he’s very much failing at that.
They don’t vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020. If Biden can’t get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, simple as that.
Democrats are kinda beholden to public opinion and it’s mercurial nature because they’re platform is that they are the entity responsible for people getting what they want…
If public opinion sways to being against Israel, it is expected that a democratic government will follow suit.
Lol, is that more a Republican deal? Pretty sure repubs are listening to whoever has the fattest wallet, or perhaps the Jesus book…
I guess your opinion is that Dem legislators are likewise apathetic to the general public? I was implying otherwise, but I guess it didn’t sound narrative-y enough eh? Meh.
There are probably less than a dozen politicians in America that actually listen to their constituents. The rest are Republicans or Neoliberal Democrats who more or less all play for the same team at the end of the day: money. The neoliberals are also still under the unfortunate impression that the fascists can be negotiated with, which will end very poorly for us all.
There are probably less than a dozen politicians in America that actually listen to their constituents
This is false, and is essentially just a long-running meme of Americans hating authority now being taken as fact.
All politicians overwhelmingly do what their constituents want them to do - moreso now than at any time before the modern era, because most politicians are extremely nervous about being primaried, and not worried about a challenger from another party
All politicians overwhelmingly do what their constituents want them to do - moreso now than at any time before the modern era, because most politicians are extremely nervous about being primaried
Henry Cuellar didn’t need to worry. He is anti-labor, anti-abortion, and pro-nra, but his opponent was progressive, so the party protected him.
Not a single one of them are concerned about being primaried. They could be total shit candidates and they will still be reelected as long as they keep that D next to their name.
Tell that to the Republican party, which has been turned inside-out by this process over 6 years, and has been reforming since 2010 solely because of primary threats
Why not?
I suppose you imagine that the war in Gaza is just going to…. Go away? Drop out of the news chcle, maybe?
It won’t.
It’s going to stay in the news. As will Ukraine. Like they say: if it bleeds, it leads. In 4k.
Wars and tensions have been constant since like 1948.
I don’t see how Biden’s handling of the Gaza situation is at all a negative for him.
Yeah, Pro-Israel voters are single issue voters. Everyone else will have multiple competing priorities, and ending a genocide is jockeying for a spot on the list with healthcare, economic equality, education, and human rights at home. Biden might lose the pro-Palestine single issue voters, but they aren’t going to show up to vote for Trump, and they don’t exist in numbers that will swing any particular state Biden’s way.
Until and unless the voters demand a change to our policy in Israel, Biden isn’t the sort of “leader” to challenge his supoorters.
Do you really believe the other option will be less genocide?
Not at all. But that’s my point. I think the reason Biden is pro-Israel is the same reason every other politician is pro-Israel and why anyone calling for an end to the genocide will not get enough support to get their party’s nomination.
There is no help for Palestinians coming from the United States government.
because of the foreign influence campaign? I can think of a few who are… not being bribed…
Of course there is that, but don’t kid yourself, there are a lot of pro-Israel voters who really do support whatever Israel does. And as I mentioned, those voters care more about supporting Israel than they care about most other issues. They won’t vote for a candidate who doesn’t support Israel no matter what, and they vote (and donate) in large numbers in key swing states.
And, like I already mentioned, the voters who don’t support Israel no matter what are mostly opposed to the genocide of Palestinians, but that isn’t the most important voting issue for those voters. The few voters for which stopping Israel from committing genocide haven’t historically voted (or donated) in sufficient numbers to swing any state one way or the other.
The upcoming Presidential election might be the first one where Palestine shows up on exit polls as a priority issue, but since neither candidate is willing to criticize Israel, it’s hard to predict where those voters will take their votes, other than home.
Supporting genocide reflects poorly on Biden’s character, values, humanity, and elective viability.
It’s entirely possible that Israel’s psychotic ethnic cleansing is going to hand the election to Trump who will absolutely pioneer new dimensions of anti-Semitism to unleash on the single issue voters who worried that progressives might choose human rights over supporting Israel’s extermination of Gazans.
There are a lot of people who really do not support the idea that we should be funding one country’s apartheid and ethnic cleansing of a rival regional ethnic group. Some of them will stay home, some of them will vote Trump not knowing that he’s worse.
This is an unpopular opinion you seem to think is popular.
I’m not super concerned with popularity of my opinions. Israel has murdered men,women, babies, and their own hostages while indiscriminately bombing absolutely everything. Israel’s behavior is so inhuman It is an existential threat to the state of Israel. That’s why we’re commenting on an article where people are losing support for Biden because he has been enabling a murderous regime of a rogue state that is engaged in genocide.
Netanyahu needs to go to the Hague where he should be hung until dead and left for the crows. He’s no different than Hamas and people are waking up to that.
Elections are literally popularity contests.
Also minor note: hanged until dead. Past tense of hang (execution) is “hanged” for some weird reason.
Are you missing the part where Biden is losing support?
I’m not super concerned with the popularity of my opinions, but the president definitely should care whether or not his choice to indulge a psychotic rogue state’s extermination of the native population is going to lose him support domestically. Did you even look at the article?
The election cycle has not even begun. The war will be over and in the rear view mirror, and Biden will not be challenged on his support of Israel, meaning this is a nothingburger.
I understand you are passionate about this, but this is how election cycles work.
if you’re going to be like that, should probably check first the two words are largely interchangeable.
Be like what?
He’s currently being abandoned by young progressives over his decisions in this war. This is the demographic he needs to win the most, so you can probably see the problem here.
Well really what are the young progressives gonna do? Vote for whatever fascist clown is gonna run against him?
Not vote at all, or vote third party. None of these will get a good candidate into office, but they’ll do more than enough to lose Biden the election.
Centrists consider their own entitlement to be reality itself and cannot imagine either of these happening.
If they consistently voted, that would be a bigger threat. Vote third party because no one will believe the demographic that consistently sits out elections sat this one out specifically to hand the country to fascists. That didn’t work out so well for Germans or the rest of the world, but maybe the Fourth Reich is the charm.
Like I said to the other guy: They don’t vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020 (the highest in a very long time). If Biden can’t get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, and he’s very much failing at that.
Not vote?
They don’t vote
They don’t vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020. If Biden can’t get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, simple as that.
Democrats are kinda beholden to public opinion and it’s mercurial nature because they’re platform is that they are the entity responsible for people getting what they want…
If public opinion sways to being against Israel, it is expected that a democratic government will follow suit.
Are they?
Lol, is that more a Republican deal? Pretty sure repubs are listening to whoever has the fattest wallet, or perhaps the Jesus book…
I guess your opinion is that Dem legislators are likewise apathetic to the general public? I was implying otherwise, but I guess it didn’t sound narrative-y enough eh? Meh.
There are probably less than a dozen politicians in America that actually listen to their constituents. The rest are Republicans or Neoliberal Democrats who more or less all play for the same team at the end of the day: money. The neoliberals are also still under the unfortunate impression that the fascists can be negotiated with, which will end very poorly for us all.
This is false, and is essentially just a long-running meme of Americans hating authority now being taken as fact.
All politicians overwhelmingly do what their constituents want them to do - moreso now than at any time before the modern era, because most politicians are extremely nervous about being primaried, and not worried about a challenger from another party
Henry Cuellar didn’t need to worry. He is anti-labor, anti-abortion, and pro-nra, but his opponent was progressive, so the party protected him.
Not a single one of them are concerned about being primaried. They could be total shit candidates and they will still be reelected as long as they keep that D next to their name.
Tell that to the Republican party, which has been turned inside-out by this process over 6 years, and has been reforming since 2010 solely because of primary threats
Thats why I specified ‘D next to their name.’
The mechanics are the same. D or R is irrelevant.