• teolan@lemmy.world
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    Do you have the source for this image? All the reliable sources I find say it’s a text exchange.

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      “My grandpa voted republican and I will too! It doesn’t matter who, if they’re republican, they’ve got my vote. Can’t have the blacks moving close to me, ya know? Might steal my chickens” - them, probably. Lots of low-effort voters voting republican cause that’s what folks 'round here do, ya know?

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    I didn’t think anyone could make Kim Jong Il (or Kim Jong Un) seem comparatively rational and genius in a single note.

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    Can’t believe that’s the actual letter. Chatgpt could write a better one

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    Wasn’t this the very point of establishing NATO? To protect the smaller countries from an attack like this. Damn. I’m ready for him to just be gone from this planet, any day now.

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      Even if he understood (I doubt he does but perhaps) he wouldn’t even care cause NATO doesn’t give him tribute to helping the world keep peace.

      Amazing what one person elected(?) can do to the world order.

      I sort of thought during his first term the people who elect the country with the world’s most powerful alliance shouldn’t be just by their own country or at least be due to revue by the alliance’s participants. As much as it sucks for sovereignty we are in a different place these days, hell perhaps we weren’t aligned enough before.

      Am Canadian so having our neighbor do this crap is horrifying.

      Yes I know that goes against a country’s democracy but perhaps times have changed for alliance requirements. The US made themselves dependable and that should with stipulations to be a part of an alliance.

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        I’ve had conversations with my far right relatives. They hate NATO, the EU, the UN and any other organization that tried to help people. They were happy when trump broke protocol by leaving the queen behind during a visit.

        They see this boorish and cartoonist character as strength. They’re delighted that the world is in turmoil

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        He was elected, no question about it. Americans are just really really stupid.

        Democracy is fine, and so are alliances. Venezuela isn’t in an alliance and the Americans can do as they please there. Also it’s not a democracy so when it’s one authoritarian country fucking around with another authoritarian country, no one’s going to get up in arms. If Denmark didn’t have allies and wasn’t a democracy, the US would’ve invaded Greenland six months ago if not sooner.

        The problem is ignorance. Americans are just generally ignorant of the world, ignorant of democracy and only really believe in the rights and freedoms of slave masters. Democracy isn’t something written on a piece of paper as Americans believe, it’s about having a society where people respect one another’s rights. Our alliances are based around that.

        Americans don’t believe in “our rights” they only believe in “my rights” ie. the rights of the salve masters which they’ve been indoctrinated into worshiping. They’ve only had some semblance of democracy for a relatively short period of time, but will always gravitate back towards the ideals of the slave masters they worship.

        Democracy will continue on even if it dies in the US and it’s imperative we maintain our alliances with other democracies to contain them.

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    Is that fucking for real?

    Holy shit I just looked it up. It’s an actual letter sent by the US president. Below is a GIF (tenor.com) expressing how I feel about this:

    Mr. Boss from Smiling Friends: "We are so fucked."

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      This is it, really. He’s in it to satisfy his narcissism and for the sadistic joy he finds in having power over others and making them feel weak. He’s an abuser through and through.

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    What an absolute embarrassing time to be an American. I apologize to the world on behalf of America for this fucking lunatic.

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      I appreciate that you mean well, but apologies on behalf of America are just empty, worthless words. I know I have no use for it and can’t imagine who would.

      I have nothing against you personally, and the fact that you’re not a Republican ghoul is already a lot to ask in today’s Trump’s America, but the rest of the world is well past caring about Americans futilely commenting about their sense of shame on the Internet.

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        the rest of the world is well past caring about Americans futilely commenting about their sense of shame on the Internet

        I’m well past caring about the rest of the world tut-tutting and waiting for American wage slaves to solve an unprecedented global problem. If you’re not out in the streets demanding your government take proactive sanctions and tangible actions you are at least as culpable as any average US dissident who is risking a shit ton more than you. What’s your excuse?

        Look at this fucking thread! Suddenly it “getting scary” because the demented old fuck wrote a grade-school level angry letter? It wasn’t scary before because the troops were aimed at internal opposition and third world countries? Give me a fucking break…

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          I’m sorry. What?

          My excuse? I live in France buddy, do you think it’s on me and my fellow compatriot wageslaves to protest our government in order to make them act against your government? We have our own struggles to contend with if you can believe it, and even if we had the time and energy, how is it our place to try to repair the shit show going on in your country. As to our leaders, the US has been trying to brazenly fuck us for the past year, almost on the daily now, don’t you think if they could do more to defend themselves they would?

          «As least as culpable» ? So, maybe more culpable? I don’t even know how to qualify that type of thinking. Again, it’s not my country, I only have to suffer the consequences of what’s going on there like the rest of the world. I guess, sorry there’s an ocean between us? My bad.

          Tut-tutting?

          The guy felt the need to apologise on behalf of the US. Except he doesn’t speak on behalf of the US. I appreciate they’re trying to be a good person but what am I supposed to do with it, is it supposed to make us feel better? Because to me it doesn’t. Thanks but it’s a meaningless gesture. Is it supposed to make them feel better? In which case, OK cool whatever. But I’m sorry my expressing a feeling of lassitude about American commentary adressed at us, Europeans and the reest of the world, upset you that much. I guess I’ll make sure to do better next time and put in efforts in my spare time to try help you fix your country for you?

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          iF yOuR nOT dOiNg oUr JOb fOR uS ThEn i dONt waNt tO kNOw

          So it’s the wage slaves in other countries which must sort out your internal affairs instead?

          One of my governments is already staunchly anti-Trump. The other one, hundreds of miles away, doesn’t listen to my region, which is why we have two governments in the first place. Am I to travel all the way from the north of Scotland to London because Americans can’t keep their house in order? Is the rest of the world meant to do similar?

          Americans have loudly and proudly derided other countries for decades. Claiming they’re the best at everything, more freedom, more money, only country to have touched the moon, fuck yeah, than the rest of the world. The Land of the Brave. The Land of the Free. Freedom™. Freedom to carry weaponry on the off chance you have a tyrannical government that needs overthrown.

          And yet we’re the ones being told off for getting annoyed that we all must suffer because of your internal politics?

          Do you not think other parts of the world have their own struggles to deal with? Their own political campaigns for/against various things?

          This is an American problem to be dealt with by Americans.

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            No fascist regime has ever been replaced without foreign intervention, and no revolution has ever been successful without international support…

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            One of my governments is already staunchly anti-Trump.

            Neat, what have they actually fucking done? They could freeze/sieze the assets of any of the fascists backing this regime at any time. They could issue arrest warrants for any of these republican congressmen doing their fascist world tours. They could shut down access to captured American social media platforms. Are they doing any of that? Because they could sign a piece of paper and have those checked off by tomorrow.

            Am I to travel all the way from the north of Scotland to London

            😂😂😂😂😂 It’s 40 hours minimum for the 4 million people in Los Angeles to reach Washington DC. Or are Americans supposed to get a critical mass of opposition to the Capitol on commercial flights; just checking their torches and pitchforks before takeoff?

            But a ten hour trip to London is too much? Couldn’t be bothered to take a weekend flight and spend <$150 to make a physical display of your displeasure?

            Americans have loudly and proudly…

            Beautiful straw man you’ve got there. Too bad the 90% of the country that doesn’t watch fox news hasn’t held anything close to those opinions for 30+ years. You can just look this shit up, we live in 2026.

            And yet we’re the ones being told off for getting annoyed that we all must suffer because of your internal politics?

            And yet I’m the one who has to untangle the decades of hyper-dependence your milquetoast neolib governments have built up around a crumbling USA? I don’t have more pressing concerns? I should put the physical safety and wellbeing of my local community aside because it’s becoming concerning for you?

            This is an American problem to be dealt with by Americans.

            If it was you wouldn’t be replying

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              No wonder your country is fucked.

              The arrogant, self obsessed, cultural and historical ignorance is astounding.

              I try not to prejudge or stereotype people but Americans make it really fucking difficult sometimes. Y’all so often think other people of the world have never interacted with any of you before. That we’ve not grown up with your culture shoved into our faces along with our own. That we’ve not witnessed your politics, both foreign and domestic, as much as you have.

              We’ve witnessed your atrocities, we’ve seen your population do nothing. We’ve seen your obsession with money, power, guns, and greed. Not every American, obviously, but enough of you that as a nation that is what you are known for. We’ve seen your multiple wars. We’ve seen your complicity in genocide. We’ve seen your population at large do fuck all. We’ve seen the slow and painfully obvious descent into fascism and your population at large continuing about their day as if nothing is wrong.

              We all have issues. Many country’s issues are even caused by your country. Many country’s issues are worse than yours. Why would we deal with yours before our own?

              This is internal American politics. Unless you want to be invaded, this is an American problem for Americans to deal with.

              Is it shit? Absofuckinglutely. But life is shit for many around the world. America has been largely insulated from that, and now that you’re experiencing it firsthand you expect the world to come running? Good fucking luck.

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                You’re one hundred percent free to take that position, but it’s not arrogance when half this thread is Europeans looking down their nose as if they have any fucking clue what’s happening in the USA today. Spare me the lectures if it’s an internal problem.

                I don’t want to read a single comment panicking over a Trump tweet or letter. I don’t want any more debates with EU commenters pretending they know the US constitution, laws, election process, or insitutional corruption better than I do. I don’t want to hear from anyone who’s reading headlines from halfway around the world and dismissing my experiences (“just do something”). I don’t wanna hear shit from any armchair revolutionaries living in countries where the police can’t even carry pepper spray.

                If you all can’t agree to do that then see my original comment: fuck off and take your own political initiative. Maybe you’ll start to understand why this isn’t some inconvenient internal problem when the largest military in the world is blockading your ports and kidnapping your leaders. “Good fucking luck”

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                  but it’s not arrogance when half this thread is Europeans looking down their nose as if they have any fucking clue what’s happening in the USA today.

                  Being arrogant in response to a perceived slight doesn’t cancel out the arrogance.

                  I’m not commenting on your response specifically I’m saying your argument here doesn’t make any sense.

                  Everyone has a constant feed on what’s happening in America, not just the news and propaganda outlets but the direct social media reports of thousands of day to day people.

                  I don’t want to read a single comment panicking over a Trump tweet or letter. I don’t want any more debates with EU commenters pretending they know the US constitution, laws, election process, or insitutional corruption better than I do.

                  That’s easily solvable, don’t hang out in a space called “FuckTheUSA”, it’s like a vegan being offended by meat preparation after making a reservation and walking in to “BIG JOE’S 100% REAL STEAKHOUSE AND BURGERS”.

                  Probably best to avoid all of the topics that are very obviously things you don’t want to see the comments on.

                  Living in a country gives you lived experience, it’s doesn’t automatically grant you intellectual superiority on “US constitution, laws, election process, or insitutional corruption” , if that was the case, those voting percentages would be different.

                  I don’t want to hear from anyone who’s reading headlines from halfway around the world and dismissing my experiences (“just do something”). I don’t wanna hear shit from any armchair revolutionaries living in countries where the police can’t even carry pepper spray.

                  AFAICT nobody in this thread has said you personally should be doing anything above and beyond the normal voting and campaigning you’d normally do ( i could have missed it, feel free to link any missed statements ).

                  A great deal of police forces are allowed to carry pepper spray ( or some other form of non-lethal ), many of them also have access to firearms, though obviously not at the scale of the USA I’m sure if we had a senile despot funding a force of untrained bigoted assholes to go out and feel good about themselves, they’d open up that access pretty quickly.

                  Also, and i don’t mean this as an attack, unless you are actually out there doing something tangible, that would also make you an “armchair revolutionary”, albeit one immersed in the situation.

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                  Maybe you shouldn’t come into a community called FuckTheUSA then…

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              Sush orc.

              Act like Russian orcs, you’ll get treated like American orcs.

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          And this is why other people are done with apologies from Americans.

          I should just save myself time and bookmark my previous post to link to. It’s always the same two responses:

          1. “The entire world is descending into facism” (which means I don’t have to do anything about the facism in my country for some reason).
          2. “Why aren’t you fixing our mistake for us? You expect us to do something ourselves?!”
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      apologizing is useless, organize, fight ICE in the streets, get into local politics and make sure no liberals democat gets into any position, only actual progressives with balls.

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    I’m an American and I’m kinda tired of hearing my countrymen apologize and say they are embarrassed. Were over a year into this and waaaay past the time to say that kinda shit. We shouldn’t be embarrassed, we should feel ashamed and angry. And we shouldn’t apologize, we should be actively finding ways to make a change no matter how small.

    I know there are plenty of other Americans that probably lurk on communities like this so I’m mostly saying this to them. And the only reason I’m saying this is because about half the time I see other Americans apologize and say how embarassed they are it often seems like it’s a way to say “see? I’m one of the good ones.” None of us are the “good ones” anymore unless you are actively putting in the work. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t vote for him because he’s still the president. People have died, continue to die, and will die in the future because of this man and he’s doing all of it in our name. If Trump actually causes a global conflict with his bullshit we will not be blameless when the dust settles and our country will have to pay for this regardless of who you voted for.

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      It’s unbelievable difficult when they have you at the throats financially. I don’t think you fully understand this until you in the middle of it. Being the primary provider for my daughter, I have basically two options. One is to work on a way out so she can have a better life (current plan) OR to risk that she will be an orphan by actively going against the government as everyone outside of US expects. If you have your own children, take a minute to really think if you okay with your child becoming an orphan or homeless, because that’s the reality here. Even posting this risks my employment, as freedom of speech is long gone. This is just my opinion, and does not reflect the opinion of my employer.

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        This is the thing that fucking sucks. my wife recently got diagnosed with a pituitary tumor and possibly is about to be diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy. We’ve got 3 autistic kids that are varying degrees of developmentally disabled. We live off SNAP and her disability benefits and they rely on me for care.

        So like, what the hell am I supposed to do here? I’m not in the greatest physical health myself, but I could be out there doing something. But if I get arrested or killed protesting this regime, who is going to take care of my family? It really feels like all I can really do is use my cameras to keep watch in my neighborhood in case ICE ever comes around here to harass my neighbors and hope that I can get enough of my neighbors together to run them off if they do.

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          So sorry to hear about your wife. Hoping for all the best in her recovery. I’m a firm believer you got to do what is best for your family, especially the kids.

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        That plus what little healthcare we have is tied to employment. If I didn’t have a family I’d be more aggressive. I do have a family and will defend them if it comes to it, but aside from protesting (didn’t do shit) and bitching at my representatives I’m out of viable ideas.

        I’m open to suggestions that don’t end with me or mine dead.

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        Nothing is going to be easy, but the rest if the world is looking to you, the American people, to, at least, blunt this problem as you’re the only ones with the power to do so without a conflict that us likely to go global.

        The poison goes deeper than just trump though. It’ll take a societal level change to truly fix, so general strikes, protests, civil disobedience and such are all good, but actually just finding ways to reach the huge chunk if the electorate that doesn’t seem to care about it, and bring them round to seeing the problem would make a huge difference. Talk to the disengaged folk around you, find ways to help them and gain their understanding. That way it’s not just the ardent against an apparently rising tide of fascists, but a majority rising up against the evil within. Fascism wins for only as long as it can portray itself as strong. Humble it with numbers.

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    Not that I should be using this letter as a good example, but why is “country” capitalized?

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    If there are history books in the future, at least this will all make an interesting few chapters

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      Chapters? There will be whole college courses based on this shit, just like there are for Nazi Germany.

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        Oh, yeah, Trump is going to be the most studied president for the next 100 years, and NONE of it is going to be positive. A few MAGAs will write some books, but their MAGAs so they are either stupid or evil, and most of them can’t write anyway, so they’re books will be awful, and will get savaged by every other historian for the next century.

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          Once Trump kicks it, the MAGA morons will be climbing over each other to get to the lifeboats and try to distance themselves from this. Remember which neighbors had the Trump flags and the bumper stickers and the hats and shirts because they sure as fuck are going to try to claim they were never part of this. They’re just “independent constitutional conservatives” who will jump on the next rebranding of “Tea Party” that comes along and pretend like none of this ever happened.

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            Oh, yeah, that’s going to be fun, when all these narcissists think its their turn to be King Narcissist. Just think about how many people are already talking about replacing him: Vance, Rubio, Don Jr, MTG, Johnson, Cruz, Abbot, DiSantis, etc. I’ve even heard Bannon’s name. And everybody is going to take sides.

            When he assumes room temperature, the knives will come out, and the backstabbing will begin.

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              It’s going to be like the Soviet Union after the death of Stalin only with social media so it’s all going to be documented.

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        Forget courses. Entire degrees. I honestly have been doing nothing but consume reports and media about trump over the past 10 years and it still baffles me.