It would be nice… But I think we’re running into politicians discovering that the American police state is above the law.
I don’t think anyone wants to address the elephant in the room that even if the governor of a state had the balls to order state police to arrest ice agents, they wouldn’t obey the order.
Cops in Minnesota have already released press statements that they side with “law enforcement”, and you really can’t prosecute anyone if you aren’t able to detain them in the first place.
States need to start banning police fraternities and unions and firing any cop who isn’t willing to follow the rule of law.
I don’t think anyone wants to address the elephant in the room that even if the governor of a state had the balls to order state police to arrest ice agents, they wouldn’t obey the order.
I think the issue is more that if a governor did that, the president would use the CIA, and homeland security to kidnap that governor and their wife right out of their home and then call in the army to pacify the situation.
Or start deputizing people who will. Police say they won’t help? There’s plenty of people out there who will. The admin wants to claim it’s a Wild West city? Treat it like one.
Again… I’m not sure that officers would follow the orders even if you could find a police chief willing to stand up to the fraternal orders.
We’re in the age old “who watches the watchmen” scenario. Politicians over decades have empowered the police to protect their classes self interest to the point where we don’t really have a way to control them any more.
I’m not ready to write him off yet. He’s walking a knife edge right now, and has to be careful. If he deploys the National Guard, or even the police, he’s kicking off a Civil War, and that will give Trump all the rationalization he needs to invoke the Insurrection Act, or even Martial Law. Walz knows we have to keep a lid on things and stay totally on the side of Constitutional law, until after the Midterms.
I’m still holding out hope that he has a plan once he’s done with being governor. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run for president.
They’ll probably take place, but ICE will be hanging out at polling locations to assault/detain/disappear people they don’t think will vote “correctly.”
I think they will “happen” but they won’t be legitimate. There is going to be voter intimidation across the board, and ICE is going to post up at blue polling locations. And theyre going to continue to try to invalidate mail in voting.
Pedo hitler can say whatever he wants, but the states run their own elections. If my state suspends elections I will bring a lawsuit for violation of my right to vote.
If elections are canceled that will be the biggest issue in the nation and will be a greenlight to the ever growing number of protesters and generally dissatisfied citizens.
Mayor Jacob Frey Says ‘I Do Not Support Abolishing ICE’ After Telling Agents to ‘Get the F*ck Out of Minneapolis’ (arc)
Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE (arc)
One of these is not like the other: someone can call for defunding without further calling for outright abolishing.
Is there a name for the baby-brained fallacy where someone can’t draw obvious distinctions?
It indicative of the belief that people work for government officials…
Like. Step back and think for a second about all the fucking police resources a city has, all the surveillance and shit that goes on.
If he wanted to gather information on who ICE is, he has avenues to identify them besides asking residents to follow them around with cameras knowing full and well that gets people attacked by ICE.
If Walz was still a highschool football coach and saying this, I’d give him props.
But he’s a fucking governor…
He’s better than Jeffries and Schumer, but that’s not enough for a mayor these days, let alone someone running an entire fucking state. Bunch of words and zero action just like Newspm and Pritzker. If shit was fine they could be decent leaders, but they’ve shown time and time again they won’t take any actual action when we’re being murdered in their states by federal agents.
They don’t have the fight in them, so we can’t afford to let them be leaders during a fight.
Quick edit:
Like, he can just have cops follow ICE and document with their body cams or even a dude with a camera. That would be much better evidence later. And they could actually intervene when ICE breaks the law.
He can use stingrays to ping their phones as the roll out of where they deploy from
He can have cops detain them
There are so many more options a state has to stop federal overreach and abuses than random citizens can.
Walz ain’t asking us to help. He’s telling us he won’t do shit and it’s on us
And if that’s what he wants to do, he can get the fuck out of the way and let someone else lead while he follows
Fucking A Right. It is just mind boggling these governors acting like they have no power to do anything but yet time and time again nothing, The MN Guard has 13k soldiers and airman. Activate them all and have them do the stomp and drag on ICE.
Yeah. I’d like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility.
“Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we’ll get you there. You’ll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to ‘protect you’. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility”
Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have.
He needs to gather good evidence before getting indictments. See how some of the most egregious prosecutorial overreaches of the Trump administration have been sidelined by grand juries who don’t indict. That is one institution where the local processes haven’t been infected by Trumpism. Minnesota prosecutors need to play by the rules, because at least for the time being, the rules are on their side.
I am a strong advocate that every state with a ICE invasion should dispatch their National Guard, 1:1 for each Federal agent in their state, with orders to simply observe and take body cam footage. Rent rooms in the hotel next door, track their cars with all their fancy surveillance equipment, track all the doors they knock down (and ask them for their warrants).
I think we will see a marked behavior shift in ICE if they realize that everything they do is being watched and recorded for posterity.
Or he could fucking prosecute them now…
I had a lot of hopes for Walz until he was in a position to actually do something. It makes sense now why the neoliberals threw him with Kamala.
It would be nice… But I think we’re running into politicians discovering that the American police state is above the law.
I don’t think anyone wants to address the elephant in the room that even if the governor of a state had the balls to order state police to arrest ice agents, they wouldn’t obey the order.
Cops in Minnesota have already released press statements that they side with “law enforcement”, and you really can’t prosecute anyone if you aren’t able to detain them in the first place.
States need to start banning police fraternities and unions and firing any cop who isn’t willing to follow the rule of law.
I think the issue is more that if a governor did that, the president would use the CIA, and homeland security to kidnap that governor and their wife right out of their home and then call in the army to pacify the situation.
So just keep firing police chiefs until you find one who will.
Or start deputizing people who will. Police say they won’t help? There’s plenty of people out there who will. The admin wants to claim it’s a Wild West city? Treat it like one.
Again… I’m not sure that officers would follow the orders even if you could find a police chief willing to stand up to the fraternal orders.
We’re in the age old “who watches the watchmen” scenario. Politicians over decades have empowered the police to protect their classes self interest to the point where we don’t really have a way to control them any more.
They don’t exist.
Anybody can be police chief, there are no requirements or qualifications. I’m sure there’s at least one person that would.
I’m Canadian, but I’d do it. We’d have ICE whacking day like in the Simpsons.
I’m not ready to write him off yet. He’s walking a knife edge right now, and has to be careful. If he deploys the National Guard, or even the police, he’s kicking off a Civil War, and that will give Trump all the rationalization he needs to invoke the Insurrection Act, or even Martial Law. Walz knows we have to keep a lid on things and stay totally on the side of Constitutional law, until after the Midterms.
I’m still holding out hope that he has a plan once he’s done with being governor. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him run for president.
Are we still pretending we’re having those? Trump isn’t.
https://time.com/7346834/trump-canceling-midterm-elections-joking-white-house/
They’ll probably take place, but ICE will be hanging out at polling locations to assault/detain/disappear people they don’t think will vote “correctly.”
I think they will “happen” but they won’t be legitimate. There is going to be voter intimidation across the board, and ICE is going to post up at blue polling locations. And theyre going to continue to try to invalidate mail in voting.
Pedo hitler can say whatever he wants, but the states run their own elections. If my state suspends elections I will bring a lawsuit for violation of my right to vote.
50 giant class action lawsuits would be fun.
I think you’ll have bigger issues at that point
If elections are canceled that will be the biggest issue in the nation and will be a greenlight to the ever growing number of protesters and generally dissatisfied citizens.
They’re totally sleeping on
“We’re gonna build up Walz, and make Trump/ICE pay for it!”
Fair point, but I’ll take empty posturing that people might run further with than Walz actually wants them to over stuff like
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One of these is not like the other: someone can call for defunding without further calling for outright abolishing. Is there a name for the baby-brained fallacy where someone can’t draw obvious distinctions?
It indicative of the belief that people work for government officials…
Like. Step back and think for a second about all the fucking police resources a city has, all the surveillance and shit that goes on.
If he wanted to gather information on who ICE is, he has avenues to identify them besides asking residents to follow them around with cameras knowing full and well that gets people attacked by ICE.
If Walz was still a highschool football coach and saying this, I’d give him props.
But he’s a fucking governor…
He’s better than Jeffries and Schumer, but that’s not enough for a mayor these days, let alone someone running an entire fucking state. Bunch of words and zero action just like Newspm and Pritzker. If shit was fine they could be decent leaders, but they’ve shown time and time again they won’t take any actual action when we’re being murdered in their states by federal agents.
They don’t have the fight in them, so we can’t afford to let them be leaders during a fight.
Quick edit:
Like, he can just have cops follow ICE and document with their body cams or even a dude with a camera. That would be much better evidence later. And they could actually intervene when ICE breaks the law.
He can use stingrays to ping their phones as the roll out of where they deploy from
He can have cops detain them
There are so many more options a state has to stop federal overreach and abuses than random citizens can.
Walz ain’t asking us to help. He’s telling us he won’t do shit and it’s on us
And if that’s what he wants to do, he can get the fuck out of the way and let someone else lead while he follows
Fucking A Right. It is just mind boggling these governors acting like they have no power to do anything but yet time and time again nothing, The MN Guard has 13k soldiers and airman. Activate them all and have them do the stomp and drag on ICE.
Yeah. I’d like to see the NG stop every vehicle going in and out of the ICE facility.
“Just running a quick check boys. Where are you going? What are you going to do there? Do you have a signed judicial warrant? Okay, we’ll get you there. You’ll have a leading and a tailing escort vehicle, and 8 armed National guardsmen to ‘protect you’. Once you have executed your judicial warrant, you will be escorted back to this facility”
Basically, make sure that everything is on the up and up every time these guys go out. I think enforcing a bureaucratic slog will kill the raging gestapo cosplay boner these ICE troopers have.
I was interested in him initially, because he appealed to old white men in some ways, until I saw that debate. Deer in the headlights.
He needs to gather good evidence before getting indictments. See how some of the most egregious prosecutorial overreaches of the Trump administration have been sidelined by grand juries who don’t indict. That is one institution where the local processes haven’t been infected by Trumpism. Minnesota prosecutors need to play by the rules, because at least for the time being, the rules are on their side.
Please explain what you’d like him to do and how he’d do it legally
He can call the National Guard to remove ICE by force, states still have power.
He absolutely cannot do that show me where states have that power to just unilaterally expel federal agents by force
Edit: here’s what states can do which is sue about it under the 10th amendment but they cannot just use the national guard to expel ice agents
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/14/us/minnesota-illinois-lawsuits-tenth-amendment
I am a strong advocate that every state with a ICE invasion should dispatch their National Guard, 1:1 for each Federal agent in their state, with orders to simply observe and take body cam footage. Rent rooms in the hotel next door, track their cars with all their fancy surveillance equipment, track all the doors they knock down (and ask them for their warrants).
I think we will see a marked behavior shift in ICE if they realize that everything they do is being watched and recorded for posterity.
Cheeto Mussolini would just federalize them. Don’t know if he can legally do that, but laws don’t matter anymore, it seems.
I think his hands are a somewhat tied, but his call to action is pretty weak. I wish anyone would just call this evil Nazi shit what it is.