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It doesn’t even necessarily matter what she was or wasn’t. It’s kind of irrelevant.
She tried to wave a car by, like we’ve all done a million times, then two MASKED MEN got out of their UNMARKED TRUCK holding GUNS and one tried to REACH INTO HER VEHICLE TO OPEN THE DOOR.
The fuck would you do?
They weren’t there for her. They had no reason to interact with her.
She could have had a rap sheet a mile long, doesn’t matter.
Just like poor George Floyd
Also a third masked man, from the same truck, TOLD HER to move her car out of the way
Yeah this point keeps getting glossed over.
Yeah the nazi’s on my local nextdoor keep calling her a “paid anti-ice demostrator” or that she is a paid antifa actress or some BS.
They refuse to use their eyes and ears and just stay in their fantasy land of unseasoned meals and fox news.
They are evil and stupid, there’s not much else to say, they welcome violence because they can’t do anything else that makes any difference with their miserable lives
You know, if being opposed to masked government murderers stalking your neighborhood makes you an “activist” then we need to ask some serious questions about the state of “journalism” these days.
Journalism? In America?
Nah, dawg.
I was out with some casual friends last night, the topic of the shooting came up. I was sickened listening to them talking about how she was at fault for putting herself in harms way, how she was asking for it by trying to run down law enforcement who are “just doing their job.”
We’re completely fucked, most of the public just laps up whatever bullshit they are fed and do not spend one second critically thinking about anything. They just accept that 2000 masked and armed federal agents decending on our neighborhoods and shooting people in the fucking face is a normal thing and they save their anger for the people they are crushing under their boots.
Your dipshit casual friends, whom you need to dump immediately, clearly haven’t watched the entire video, or are entirely comfortable blatantly lying about it.
The video is clear. She starts to pull out, realizes there’s oncoming traffic, then waves at them to pass, then two masked men exit the unmarked pickup truck brandishing weapons and one tries to reach into her car to open the door. So she took off like anyone in their right mind would when two randos with guns try to pull you out of your car.
Your casual friends are bad people. Stop interacting with them.
again, these are co-workers, and this was the first indication I got from them about this sort of opinion. I’m not besties with these people, but do need to professionally interact with them.
The point is more that this is in idication of how typical americans feel these days. These are as ‘normal’ of people as I know; all my friends run in lefty circles and are well informed, so not typical american normies. I was just taken aback that otherwise normal, functional people could see things that way. I shouldn’t be surprised, just the week prior I heard so many people accept that fucking bullshit daycare story without a moment’s critical thought about it. It doesn’t matter that the centers accused in the video have been exonerated, it doesn’t matter that there has been ongoing investigations and prosecutions as a result. People hear something that triggers them and they just shut off their brain.
That’s what we’re against, I don’t even think the assholes doing this are the biggest problem we have, I think the biggest issue is the apathaty and stupidity of the masses.
That’s really disheartening to hear. We need to keep hammering home that this is not normal to all our friends And family. People are understandably scared, and not everyone is as plugged in to reality. Sometimes they accept the narrative out of fear, they want to believe that if they behave and follow the rules they won’t be shot in the face as well.
The good news is that you can only ignore reality for so long before it comes stomping down your door. The bad news is at that point it might be too late for any of us.
I am choosing to remain hopeful that these people will not get away with this. This regime is incompetent, and there are many people pushing back against them everywhere.
I argued very forcefully against everythign they had to say; I even got an apology from one of them, but I don’t think I ultimately changed any minds. It’s just so much easier for people to believe that the victims are at fault, it lets them feel superior, safe, etc.
I have not brought any of this up with my kids, but my 5th grader came home in tears yesterday because he’s afraid of ICE now. This is not ok. Our government is terrorizing it’s citizens and most people seem to love the fear.
Yes, the fear and anger is addictive. It’s why reality TV shows are so popular, it’s why outrageousness in the news headlines are par for the course. Americans are so very disconnected from real life and have been for a long time. Issues across the world barely register on the average American radar. It’s become a deeply unhealthy culture and I don’t know how your country is going to survive this.
Well hopefully you made them go home and think at least, instead of just reassuring themselves and moving on until the next tragedy happens.
I can’t even think of what we should tell our kids. It’s impossible to say it’s going to be alright, and mean it right now. I’m sorry your fifth grader is so scared. Luckily my little girl is only 3 so she doesn’t see anything yet. I’m going to protect her from that for as long as I can.
most people seem to love the fear.
No, only conservatives, who voted for this to happen to our country. And they represent about 30% of the populace.
Still WAY too high of a percentage of mentally ill people.
I disagree, it’s not just a conserviative problem; there’s an authoritarian problem that straddles both sides. I think the left is less susceptible to it, but it’s there. I know plenty of “lliberals” who accept things uncritically as well, and plenty who are perfectly happy submitting to any authority.
I have “liberal” relatives who argue to this day that it’s all just politics, and that biden was worse because he forced masks.
Indeed, democrats are pushing internet surveillance and censorship as we speak. Both major American parties want to control you (they’re both funded by the same people so no surprise).
Yeah I stopped being friends with such people. Lack of brain capacity is a big turn off
These are work friends, so can’t get away from them. I am working on finding a new job though.
Did you try to correct the lies they had been fed?
I did, not sure how many minds I changed. https://awful.systems/post/6867430/9998651
What’s up with that link?
D’’oh, meant to paste a quote, must have had a url in my clipboard. Thanks for the heads up.
Even one changed mind is better than leaving the lies and bullshit unchallenged.
You can, and should, stop talking to them. Especially outside of work. You should not be going out with people like this. They wish harm on others for no reason.
The point isn’t these specific “friends”, the point is, these are what I would consider normal, average people. These are coworkers, some of who I know to be otherwise good and rational people. I honestly would not think that normal people would react with such deference to authority.
Of course this will inform every interaction I have with them from here, but again, the point is, these folks represent the person next to you in line at the grocery store, the person you wave through traffic at a stop sign, the person delivering your amazon packages.
It’s not just lack of brain capacity. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met in my life were mentally handicapped.
These people are actively malicious. They want to hurt others.
Yeah, the only way to stay somewhat sane now is to block the MAGA people. They are exhausting with their propaganda and lies 24/7.
If those are your friends, I’m sorry for you, there’s actual decent and smart people out there, don’t give these goons your time, even if it makes you lonely, it’s just enabling their shit if you go along with it
Who cares if she was an activist. Nothing what happened that day merits an execution.
The administration is characterizing her as an activist and an agitator, in order to try to retroactively justify her killing.
This story is putting the lie to that statement.
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Our problem is the mainstream media that most of America gets their news and information from are all bought by the same donor-class that owns the government, and they are RIGHT NOW having “experts” on the daytime talk shows and news programs telling viewers that Good struck an agent with her car and that “maybe” “some” of the gunshots to her head were unnecessary but that more investigation is needed.
Do not trust that people will use their eyes. People don’t see with their eyes. All of our perceptions of the world are filtered through our feelings, and for most people, it feels too inconvenient to believe this horrendous act was what it actually was, because that would mean having to do something, having to sacrifice time and energy to get involved, to seek justice.
Nobody wants to do that anymore. People want to hide inside and scroll.
Fully agree. Even if she wpuld have been an activist fleeing from the place.
Your instinct should not be to murder the person.
In any other countries, there are warning shots fired first, then they shoot at the wheels, then they try to detain the car by using own cars. There is no way the right thing to do is to murder someone in the head as a first response.
Your instinct should not be to murder the person.
It wasn’t instinct, it was orders. They are pissed that vehicle blocking is working, and giving targets a longer head start to run. They wanted to send a message, so they were ordered to engineer a situation, then escalate it, and here we are.
As usual, these Dumb Apes fuck up everything they do, and they botched the operation, and sent an entirely different message, which was not received well by America.
So who sent these illegal orders? How far up the chain? I think we all know.
btw, i’m not even sure she was trying to block anyone. in one video, you can see she waves and says “go around!” i think she was just trying to go the other way.
edit - i don’t know that that is what happened, just that there’s now footage from the agent’s phone. can’t really use audio at work.
still saw NOTHING justifying murder.
Yeah the right to be an activist is one of our most foundational rights as Americans.
incorrect
the murderer who puts himself in harm’s way, got out of that way, and then pulled a gun and shot a woman in the face, that deserves execution
According to the “expert” they had on Good Morning America, the ICE agent was “struck” by Good’s vehicle, but it’s actually only the second and third gunshots to this innocent woman’s head that were not justified.
I hope you all have a high tolerance for rage-inducing injustice, because this is going to be one of those “Don’t Look Up” moments where half the world is told to just LOOK AT THE FUCKING VIDEO and people will ignore you and form movements to NOT look at the video.
I have no perscription or advice how to deal with this. But I do know it’s going to get a LOT worse before it starts to get better and we may not all see that day.
Hopefully the only way it gets worse will be a bunch of people getting together to do things like this. Oh darn, apparently mods deleted it. But it was a logical comment that proposed a logical solution.
Fun Fact, if you hit the drop-down by the breadcrumbs under a username you can read a user’s moderation history and see what they said that got removed 🤓
While morally I cannot agree with the take, I would LOVE to see people even halfway motivated to take their marches directly to the seats of power. There are only a couple dozen thousand ICE agents in the whole country, we outnumber them by MILLIONS and could literally drag them off the streets, pull off their gear and tie them up and like, stash them in our basements with a bike lock around the neck Breaking Bad style and stop the injustice tomorrow if we all unified. (We feed them sandwiches on plastic plates though, lesson learned.)
Mmm sandwiches you say? You’re almost makin’ me want to join ice 😋
I will only feed my agent cheap ass bologna with too much mustard and a single, small wilted lettuce leaf.
Ok nevermind. I don’t wanna be an ICEman anymore.
What kind of monster just drops her kid off at school like it’s a normal day, and then goes out and just runs over good law enforcement officers who are just trying to keep us safe from people with accents and weird food?
*good food
Remember, this didn’t just happen. It was brought about by tech billionaires backing Trump, each paying him 1 million dollars just to stand behind him on inauguration day, by the Heritage foundation, by wealthy people like JD Vance, and the rest of the administration. This was enabled by a class of people without morals and compassion, who do not care for your country.
That’s why I spent a lot of time last year quitting all US services including reddit. I encourage everyone here to do the same.
US tech companies don’t get another dime from me.
I sold my US based stocks at the start of this administration and put what little money I had in European defense companies. It’s been a good decision so far.
I feel a bit hypocritical, but as someone who is in a US Colony with disdain towards remilitarization and concerns of situation wirsening; what are some good things to back?
In also moving towards a Post-Imperial internet, and haven’t really given then a dime, besides my data when I was none the wiser. Now that I’m more are, I always try to go for more ecological, environmental or good-for-community entities.
We need to prepare for WWIII. America won’t stop until they control the world.
Green energy B-corps or nonprofits, mutual aid and union organizing organizations, sustainable tech B-corps, medicine and research groups. This list isn’t only for investment. I understand that to some degree people want to support things while building a portfolio, but there are some things there just for donations and support.
Can you recommend such companies?
Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman
What? Those are all US companies contracted with the US government, what are you talking about?
I understand the reluctance to demilitarize, but… what’s the alternative? The Regime has made it crystal clear, they have said it in plain English while being recorded, that they are going to escalate the violence including toward NATO allies.
Assuming the US isn’t able to get him under control, which has certainly been true so far, then the only courses of action available to world powers are to fight back or to bend the knee.
NATO? Allies? NATO is long past dead - USA isn’t going to anyone’s aid. And the nearest to an ally - that’d be Russia.
Saying “NATO allies” is a lot easier than listing a bunch of countries, and it communicates what I want to communicate efficiently.
Not trying to pass judgement on you, but even European defense companies’ hands are not clean because most of them supply arms to Israel. I had stocks in Airbus, until later I found out that one of their American subsidiaries make drones, which are then used to kill civilians in Gaza. If the October 7th hadn’t happen and Israel wasn’t going on full rampage, I would have happily remain investing in European defense companies. My only European defense stock remaining is MTU Aero Engine, which has not grown in the past year but still has potential.
Again, I’m not trying to dissuade you to divest, at the end of the day we just want a comfortable life. I mean, with the growing wealth inequality and inflation, working hard and saving alone isn’t enough to keep us comfortable that’s why we invest. My coworker made money from investing In Palantir but I am not really judging him in spite of controversy with the company.
And the USSR did shitty things to innocent people but the US and UK teamed up with them and sent them supplies and weapons because they had a common enemy.
I’m taking money that was earned in the US, taking it out of the US economy, and giving it to people making weapons that will likely be used against the US at some point in the future. I have no qualms about this, and I would do it even more if I was able, even if it gave me no benefit whatsoever
Same here. I have a million things to buy but I’ll be doing that through other outlets that don’t involve Bezos.
Not just tech billionaires, media owners too. This whole slide started with Nixon.
We need more green plumbers
Her ex-husband said “she was a loving mother and poet who had just dropped her young son off at school”
Her mother called her “one of the kindest people I’ve ever known.” Vice President JD Vance said she was part of “a broader left-wing network to attack and to doxx and to assault and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their jobs.”It’s not out of character for kind loving mothers to be antifascist.
It’s also Vance talking out his ass. This administration completely 1984’s everything at this point and Big Brother tells you what they want your reality to be.
I wish she was part of a broader left-wing network, because if she had been, maybe there would have been others around to protect her and she would still be alive
We all need to start building resistance communities, encouraging solidarity across the working class, and getting organized in our communities.
Build networks of group chats and groups on social media to rapidly share information and educate people.
How does her ex-husband know what she was doing that day?
If ya’ll are hoping “this is it” and that we’re going to see any kind of justice, I’m sorry to tell you that this will also blow over after you read and hear some of the most vile, lying bullshit you can imagine.
I mean, unless everyone actually does something, but half of this country is still to scared to piss off the other half.
I’m really tired of this attitude.
Who would have thought that giving a bunch of barely literate bigots guns, and telling them they can do anything they want without consequences, would lead to one of those power tripping bigots murdering somebody for absolutely no fucking reason?
This was totally unforeseeable.
Being an activist ≠ ok to be killed.
Or am I just being confused by poor wording in title?
The original narrative was that she was a protestor / legal observer. i.e. that she was actively engaged with the ICE activity in some capacity and that she had placed herself in harms way in the course of doing so.
This new information reveals that she was just a normal person going about her normal business before being randomly murdered by ICE.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone, but the information that she was just a person in the wrong place takes even more out of the narrative that she somehow initiated the encounter at all.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone,
That’s the issue though and why this is important. The right is using this specific talking point to attempt to justify her murder. This shuts down that narrative immediately and forces people to wrestle with their own lack of humanity.
She wasn’t what they said she was. She was just a mom dropping her kid off at school. Still confused?
In case anyone didn’t see, there were tons of reactionaries online saying that she was an activist and “fuck around and find out” etc. Just the most disgusting craven nonsense imaginable.
I know most people have already gone over this, but for me it was important to figure out what actually happened. From the article:
Video of the deadly shooting (…) shows agents approaching the woman’s vehicle while she was parked in the middle of the street, demanding “get out of the f*cking car.”
When one of the officers stuck his hands in the car, presumably to shut it off, she tried to swerve and drive away — that’s when one of the agents fired three shots at close range. A video from another angle does show an officer briefly in front of the car as the woman tries to drive away, but he is not in front of the vehicle or in apparent danger of being run over when he shoots the woman.
These goons are hellbent on escalation, and encouraged by their superiors to do so. In fact, that’s their real job.
I hate my country.
Quick reminder to anyone reading, since the other reply here implied implications about what is to be done: whatever your opinions on violence may be you should never, under any circumstances, suggest that yourself or others should or will commit violent or illegal acts in your own country or countries that your country has extradition treaties with.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum. You can only hurt yourself and your fellow travelers by posting violent threats or incitement to other illegal activity. Do not post credible threats. The cops can and will show up at your house.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum.
It’s being live streamed by the revolutionaries themselves on X, Truth Social and whitehouse.gov, though.
Not that I disagree with your wider point.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum.
It’s being live streamed by the revolutionaries themselves on X, Truth Social and whitehouse.gov, though.
Not that I disagree with your wider point.
Well said. Credible actionable violent rhetoric should not be tolerated. But all the TokTik doublespeak to bypass censorship or dance around an aggressive subject is, quite frankly, intolerable to read anywhere.
Say exactly what the fuck you mean. Stop doing mob-boss speak like Trump does with his lackeys.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy
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We probably need a new version of that song. People might not listen to the still current message because they think TV is dead.
Brian Jackson did a pretty good update. Check it out!
I hate about thirty million people in this country.
Why such a small number?
🎵 America! FUCK NO!
America’s here to ruin the motherfuckin’ day! 🎵
I wonder what Team America 2 would be like.
🎶"PETE HEGSETH IS A FUCKIN’ DOUCHE"🎶
I think Matt Stone and Trey Parker have been on their last creative legs for a while, so probably pretty meh reboot among meh reboots.
Do something about it.
Lots of are organizing and pushing back. Let’s not assume every American is accepting fascism lying down.
And even if you’re not protesting and organizing neighborhood ICE watches, sharing these stories is also important. Especially since right wing media censorship is increasing in the US. People need to know what’s happening in order to be mad about it.
Until the fascists are gone, it’s not enough. Sorry, not sorry.
Sounds like a good way to lose a lot of babies searching for that perfect bath water.
Absolutely meaningless statement lol. Just because there is a saying (aka meme) that sounds deep ands profound doesn’t make it true.
The perfect bath water in this metaphor being “not having a fascist, warmongering, narcissist pedophile head of state”.
What are you doing?
I don’t live in the States.
Then shut the fuck up and let us deal with it.
The benefit of doubt is wearing thin. The US has a rich history of memorable and highly disruptive political protests and riots, from the Boston Tea Party to BLM and the J6 insurrectionists storming Capitol Hill. None of those happened since Trump took office for this term.
Maybe that would be okay if your country wasn’t threatening mine. Also if you were, you know, actually dealing with it.
You are right, look at history, freedom was always paid for by blood.
Indian independence, South African end of apartheid, Philippines end or Marcos, US civil rights movement, and I could go on. We have plenty of examples where protests, strikes, and civil disobedience were the main catalyst for change, not a violent resistance movement.
Indian independence?
https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/fr/document/india-1900-1947.html
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/the-great-divide-books-dalrymple
Mother fuckers out here trying to cherry pick and revision history to align with their narrative. While their leader is openly saying that only violent power matters in the world.
How much is Trump admin paying you?
Okay I guess I’ll just give up because nothing will ever be good enough.
Oh wait already have.
If I thought there was something I could do I would do it.
Organize a protest in your community. Write letters (plural, don’t stop) to your representative. Talk to your friends, family, and coworkers about what needs to change. Participate in other organized protests. Endorse and help organize a general strike.
Exercise a few other constitutional rights.
Trump is doing poorly in polling, he’s an obvious pedophile and the economy is shit.
We could take advantage of that and win in 2026, giving Congress the ability to check the Trump administration.
Or we could run out into the street and initiate uncontrolled, disorganized violence that will kill way more innocent civilians than anyone, giving Trump the excuse he wants to militarily shut down society.
“Good was new to the area”
She didn’t know the area, had just dropped her kid off at school, got caught up by the Gestapo, got (rightfully) scared, tried to swerve around it all…and then got shot in the head three times.
Oh, and they’ve found out the guys name who did it btw.Jonathan Ross.
Everyone should know.
