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To be clear; everyone working in my government, particularly after today, is a Nazi, or someone who works for Nazis. Do you know what we call people who worked for the Nazis, in the Nazi government? Yes, that is correct, Nazis.
So Machado is certainly not gonna feel lonely on the list of people on my TV who are definitely Nazis.
Oh, was that too harsh? Are you feeling bad for the good career civil servants, working for the literal fucking Nazis, who I have just impuned? Cool, let’s refer back to that part where I said I was surrounded by people who openly recognize that this is fascism, and ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY refuse to accept what that actually means.
We call people, who worked for the Nazi Party, in the Nazi government, Nazis. Nobody says “the Nazi government and the career civil servants who hated them but stayed.”
“They’ll just find someone else.”
Then let them. “I took the job at the concentration camp because I was sure Hitler would find someone else” was not a good defense in court last time, and it won’t be this time either.
I mean, do we? I’m don’t think I’m convinced that every public school teacher in Germany from 1933 to 1945 was a Nazi.
We stopped calling any valuable scientist, engineer and entrepreneur a nazi as soon as we could use their skills, cars, or wealth too.
Yeah, I’m not really sold on the ‘entire government’ thing. Some chemist testing soil samples for the Department of Agriculture isn’t part of the problem - that guy’s working for us.
ICE? 100% Nazis. There is no justifiable role in that organization. But we can (and should) purge that shit without crippling services that are actually benevolent.
Yeah i l don’t see how a park service maintenance worker scrubbing a toilet is supporting the Trump regime
Thoreau would like a word with you
I used to loved Thoreau, until I actually read Thoreau.
That’s a lot more than a word. I don’t have enough free time to spend it on a 16 page opinion article, but feel free tldr it and I’ll give my 2 cents.
Henry Thoreau was a great American author and abolitionist who wrote, among other important works, the essay Civil Disobedience. Written in 1849, the essay was written after Thoreau’s imprisonment for refusing to pay taxes in protest of slavery. The thesis of this essay claims that individuals have a moral obligation to defy unjust laws and institutions. He specifically implores government workers to resign in protest due to this moral obligation.
Here’s an audio version for those that are curious but don’t feel like reading it
What’s the argument, though? Defy unjust laws --> quit govt positions even if they’re an actual public service and not actually supporting the regime is quite the jump. It’s cool that he’s a great author and all, but an opinion piece is still an opinion piece - whether its good or not (and I’m assuming it is) depends on the reasoning therein.
Some absolutely horrific things have been done in the name of advancing healthcare… should I quit my job as a surgical tech because of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? Wouldn’t it be better to stay in healthcare and blow the whistle if I see shit like that starting up again?
If you were teaching the curriculum handed down by Nazis to teach children Nazi beliefs then you were a Nazi
If they weren’t they got purged.
There were also Nazi soldiers who didn’t want to be there. Like they were told their families would be killed along with the Jews if they did not fight for the Fatherland. They don’t get sympathy. It seems like it’s an all-or-nothing thing with fascism (on both sides, actually, being for them or against them). So yes, OP likely means the school teachers as well. I don’t like that, but we can’t really say at this point whether they were teaching good things or bad ones (e.g. state sponsored).
Like teachers in America today being told that they can’t teach that it’s okay to be Hispanic, Black, or LGBTQ+. Some of them probably still are. Some of them are not. It’s hard to know how the numbers actually fall though. But the ones who are teaching hate to children absolutely do deserve to be lumped in with the rest of the movement, by the same logic.
The two-dollar term is “moral luck.”
Yep and so they choose to be Nazis.
The nuance you’re looking for doesn’t exist.
If you were told to rape and murder an 8 year old or you and your family dies, what would you do? Either you’re dead or a child rapist and child murderer. There’s not some gray area there.
Good thing teaching children is not the same as raping and killing them.
Ok, got you down for child rapist and murder since you dodged the question and I have no doubts that you will neither dodge nor say no when it’s a Nazi asking.
You clowns are such a joke
You’ve got a great debate strategy. You must have gone to the same seminars as Charlie Kirk.
Right, so you’re saying the teachers are complicit. I’m saying that’s how the logic works. You either take it or leave it. I’m not disagreeing with the OP, I’m clarifying for someone.
If you don’t agree with me, that’s not as clear.
Anyway, it’s all ethics. So in your example, you have one 8 year old who you have to kill. (What you do to them doesn’t really matter, except in how it’ll fuck up your own memories and dreams and whatnot. But as far as the ethical scales are concerned, your impact to the universe is you killed 1 child. And maybe others know it, maybe they don’t — you didn’t specify. Now, if you weigh that against just your partner being killed, maybe you’ve been married a long time, you’re both getting up there. You sacrifice yourself and your partner for this one child, as you should. But, what if your family includes three children about the same age? Then you have the classic trolley problem. Your inaction results in the death of the three children (plus whatever other family members). Your cruel action results in the death of one child. There is no easy answer, which is why the trolley problem continues to test people. Personally, my answer to the trolley problem is the inaction — you do nothing, more people die, you blame the trolley. You could have saved them, but by doing nothing, you didn’t do a bad thing, you just didn’t do a good thing and a bad thing. Ethically I think it’s the right call. Not everybody agrees.
yes. you need an entire nation of nazis to function under complete societal control. nazis have to be in every corner of public life, especially government facing positions. this application of the term doesn’t consider only full-fledged allegiance swearing nazis but workers as well who followed whatever orders they were given to keep their heads low and remain out of trouble. if you follow a nazi work ethic, in your nazi culture, hired by a company staffed by nazis, conducting government business through the lens of nazism… you’re a nazi. it doesn’t matter if you aren’t willingly being one or merely trying to live, you are upholding nazi values.
Well shit, someone better tell the genocide studies professors at state colleges that they’re actually Nazis
You mean those that already fled to Spain and Canada?
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Those people work for the state, not the federal government.
And this person is talking about all government workers.
It doesn’t matter, most federal workers fit as well. Career scientists and engineers at the EPA aren’t fucking Nazis
yeah, they are. they are willingly teaching state propaganda which has been fascist for decades just now more openly, and this current administration has destroyed education and instituted their own rules and regulations on what is and isn’t allowed to be taught. if you are working for the government in a capacity that puts authority or power in your hands, then yes, you are a little nazi puppet and are therefore a nazi yourself. it doesn’t mean you’re the same amount of evil as active nazis participating beyond their need to survive.
I’m just trying to keep my state college library’s tech running smoothly, and keep the students from having vaping in the 4th floor bathroom. I’m planning a Gaypril book display because the students are home over the summer, so they never see the one I put up for pride month. I know the procedures for if ICE shows up (they’re not allowed in non-public buildings, but the library is a public building). I keep snacks, drinks, and a first aid kit in my office in case I have to shelter in place. I’m a member of my union.
I’m trying my best here and so are my coworkers. I don’t see myself doing more good working in the private sector.
i don’t know if we are at the point where i would apply the “little nazis are everywhere” framework yet but i also can see the argument made for a parallel to Nazi Germany. many average nazis were not ideologically motivated and favored Hitler’s economic vision and the promise of restoring Germany. the sweet librarian was a nazi because she was poor and suffering, not because she hated Jews and believed in the supremacy of the Aryan race. but even workers in nazified fields were nazis doing the bidding of the party even if they were resisting in their own ways.
look at it this way: our education in the US has eroded significantly the past 30 years. right-wing policies have dismantled the effectiveness of public education and they have supplemented their own learning methods and material. education standards have been controlled by fascists for quite some time now which is why kids aren’t learning fuck all about actual real history. the US has removed and prevented genuine discussion of our past and are propagandizing our students into denying the harms we caused ourselves and the world.
you are a state worker upholding the standards set by the state. the state has been openly fascist since Trump’s first presidency. what are you going to do when your school starts telling staff they have to take away certain reading materials if they see students with them? what is your plan if state schools are required to implement policies that control speech and expression? because if your answer is to stay and provide a balance as the opposition you are being naive. you will have to also do their bidding or lose your job, so you’d be fighting fire by pouring water and oil on it.
there has to come a point in this administration where state jobs are seen as vile and avoided and anyone upholding the system should be looked at suspiciously. it doesn’t matter if the principal of a high school is a resistance Democrat, because they are still willingly being used to normalize and standardize fascism. they are also nazis.
My job is to improve access to educational resources and to help ease young adults into adulthood/soften life’s blows for my students. I can’t do that if I’m not at the school.
Librarians are keenly aware of the tension between intellectual freedom and the government. For example, since at least the PATRIOT act we’ve stopped keeping certain patron records–you can’t be compelled to share information you don’t have. You think I’ve not been watching librarians in other states be prosecuted for providing LGBTQ+ material to students? I’ve been paying attention.
I’ve not been asked to do anything against my morals. I’m a state employee, not a federal one, so changes made at the federal level get interpreted by my state government before reaching my college and me. TBH, I expect our services to be eroded through lack of funding, rather than through the implementation of new rules. We’re too understaffed to effectively implement new rules anyway.
Your best would be shooting ICE if they come anywhere near the building, not just politely asking them to leave or cowering away when they step near a library.