France is working with partners on a plan over how to respond should the United States act on its threat to take over Greenland, Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said on Wednesday.
Working on a plan…
In the interview it’s more like:
- “the us can’t invade it makes no sense”
- Journalist: “but Trump did says he’d use force if necessary”
- “They won’t invade, Marco Rubio told me do”
- “But what if they do”
- annoyed: “we are working on a plan”
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It’s not a written interview, it was on the radio.
Here’s the recording on youtube, on the channel of Jean-Noël Barrot’s (the minister in the article) party: https://youtu.be/kfUWZMf9jX0?t=359 (in french sorry)
The EU members should stop purchasing US made weapon systems and send a warning to close all the US military installations in Europe.
and immediately say “we’re open for takeover—we disrupted our own supply chains”
the eu needs to stop outsourcing defense and militarization capability. the dumbest thing ever to outsource. feed a nation patriot launchers, they live for one battle. teach a nation patriot launchers, they live for the war.
The world let America militarize at a pace that would have made Nazi Germany blush.
There is no reason for USA to have this much military capacity unless they plan to use it to steal, loot and bully others. Not even China, Russia and Iran all put together would match their strength.
It was just a matter of time until someone evil became president and turned that military against the world.
After WW3, and the allies defeat amerikkka there will need be some limits put in place.
The US has always been evil. This behavior isn’t new.
Not even China, Russia and Iran all put together would match their strength.
Don’t worry, China’s on track to replace the US as the world police without any help needed from Russia or Iran in a few decades. They’re building carriers WAY faster and they’re also building fifth generation fighters now, though not yet at a pace matching the US.
Decades? The only thing stopping them is they gonna run out of young people soonish.
So is every other developed nation.
That’s why I can’t understand people being against immigration. Literally without immigration most developed nations would be majority geriatric in 2 generations and basically empty within 4. Birth and fertility rates are in a nosedive globally… it’s just plain stupid to be against immigration, as it’s one of the only ways populations are being held or grown.
And that’s not even getting into filling skills gaps/“essential” work that the “native” population don’t want to do. Just look at how fucked American agriculture is without migrants doing everything. Or how Brexit fucked British agriculture and other low pay sector jobs, and nursing.Exactly! But developed countries largely still see immigrants as the source of all evil.
Gotta blame someone for idiotic policy decisions.
Why is there no affordable housing, lack of shelter for the homeless/homeless people at all, no real support for disabled and others unable to work? Clearly it’s immigrants and not decades of deterioration of social services and support…
The very fact that this is being communicated shows how crazy things have become. I said it before and I’ll say it again: Europe needs to prepare for war with the US.
Europe doesn’t need to deploy a single boot. They need to instantly expel every single American citizen, expel all troops, cut off American social media, cut all American imports, the list goes on.
They didn’t do that to Russia, hence the administration’s boldness for an upcoming invasion.
I can’t say this enough. Back up all your data that is in any way in contact with us companies. If you use any software, cloud or on prem, back up that data in a universal format. Imagine there are sanctions and you are cut off from that service, plan for this scenario.
Of course you should already have backups in place but add the scenario that you suddenly may not be able to use any us based service or software.
A lot of people just use “the cloud” as backup.
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Atleast the US didn’t do forced sterilization there until the 90s
Forced sterilization by the US
But sure, that TOTALLY wouldn’t happen in this scenario if they were in charge.
and you think I’m doing whataboutism?
My turn. What about “greenland should belong to greenlanders”?
Its a decision that should be left to the people of Greenland.
What I don’t agree with is doing it at a time the country’s sovereignty is under direct threat. Trump has signaled he isn’t against boots on the ground, and the only thing holding him back from doing the same to Greenland, as what he has done to Venezuela, is the larger alliances they’re a part of.
But you already know this; it’s why you’re advocating so fervently for their independence at a time when the US is drooling over them. I’m 100% convinced that your goal here is to sow discord to enable an unquestioned takeover of a newly independent and unprotected Greenland.
Basically, your breath stinks of cheeto dick pal.
beside, your hypocritical ass were all about how venezuela was let by a dictator who deserved to get kidnapped
And the 80 people your emperors goons killed? Was that justified?
nah but seriously how many do you think will die after the cronies drag us in a war over their little colony? trump is a bitch and thats a given, but the head of the UE is notoriously in bed with the weapon industry, you think they would pass that opportunity to sell more bombs?
no of course not, that’s my point.
trump is a german and germans can’t help themselves but bombing and colonizing. So are brits and danes.
Wow the copium is strong with you. Trump is American, his war crimes are American war crimes, and your empire is performing global atrocities, you should be calling it out, not helping promote it.
no retard, I’m just sick of european playing the victms while they themselves are no better than the US.
Exactly. Cheeto dick breath
I never had sex with donald trump sweetie I’m way too old (I’m 17)
Quick, backtrack to try and regain credibility! People will believe you! Cheeto dick breath made a joke about his emperor, clearly credible.
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Yes because whataboutism whilst the world’s strongest military is lapping it’s lips over taking the territory is such a strong argument.
If Greenland were to gain independence now, they would forfeit their position in both NATO and the EU; and open the doors for an unquestioned American invasion… But sure, I’m the idiot here.
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Literally none of those points even matter.
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Ah so give it all up and accept the new US overlords?
I have to believe you’re acting in bad faith here, you cant genuinely be this stupid?
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More whataboutism, as expected. The EU and NATO aren’t colonial powers. Whereas the immediate threat of the US clearly is. Giving up the only military defense the country has would be a pro colonial move, given you’d essentially be surrendering the country to the States. But you’re clearly arguing in bad faith, creating this account today just to sow discord rather than provide anything even tangently meaningful to a conversation.
At first, I didn’t think it would work, but all this talk about annexing Greenland, which is total bullshit, along with a quick kidnapping, really did distract everyone from the Epstein stuff.
Powerful paedophiles will do anything to protect themselves.
Trump could be convicted of pedophilia and troglodyte ass Americans would be like “this is a distraction from the Epstein files”
Real serious stuff happening right now, including American threats and claims against other nations — like what this post is about (it’s really not bullshit at this point). Not everything is about Epstein.
The Greenland thing is 100% bullshit IMHO.
Fair enough. I posted this rather long comment elsewhere, but what I said there pretty much explains a lot of my thoughts on the situation.
I wouldn’t put much past the current American administration. I haven’t been able to shake this impression that we might really be looking a the telegraphing of an invasion. From what we know and have seen, the administration is very much itching to apply the fullest extent of its powers. It’s defined by unprecedented and extraordinary use of extralegal action and complete disregard for how it might be seen by the world at large.
They said for years that Russia wouldn’t move on Ukraine, and then green men marched in and took over Crimea. It’s no secret how much America is becoming increasingly like Russia in every way. US already has significant military presence in Greenland — a green men play would be really easy. And Greenland also has a surprising number of politicians who openly say that they prefer the security offered by Trump’s America over Denmark, even as they declare that they want independence (experts argue that independence might make them even more vulnerable to takeover right now). It’s easy to assume that at least some Greenland doors would open up to an American green man advance.
Also, as far as consequences for taking over Greenland, we seem to be primarily looking at a breakup of NATO — something that is also on this US administration’s longstanding wish list. Experts don’t seem to think it’s ultimately likely to result in an actual war so much as make it crystal clear that the old rules no longer apply, and that the US isn’t a friend (the Article 5 debate is shaky, especially against the prospect of actually going to war against America, and especially while NATO is also dealing with the Russian war in Ukraine). On paper it kind of reads like a win-win-win situation for the current brazen, imperialist, and isolationist American kleptocracy.
I’d say we at least need to take this stuff seriously.
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What I think we should expect from this administration is an ever expanding and aggressive move towards control of the Americas. Yes, that includes Greenland but it also seems.like too much of a.pain in the ass. Everything south of thw border is going to take precedent. Or, we could invade Canada next week. Who the fuck knows with these terrorists.
Look, I dont think the US will launch an all-out military invasion of Greenland. But there are two or three other ways how they could try to gain control over Greenland’s natural resources, and I absolutely believe that they will try that.
The US does not have to invade Greenland, they are already there. I’m not sure about the strength of Danish, Greenlandic and US-forces on Greenland, but I’m pretty sure that they just could appoint the commander of Pituffik Space Base as military governor and arrest the couple of Danish soldiers and Greenlandic police using the forces already on Greenland.
With this approach I can agree. I just don’t see military action as a viable approach when it can be far more effective against governments in South America. The US has a LONG history of fucking with South America. I doubt they’ll change that course now.
I worry about Cuba.
They’re taking Greenland this year. Source: 1936-38ish
This is all based on small bits of data but I’d expect them to take something in the Caribbean or South America first. Over the past months the US has moved into an deactivated naval base in Puerto Rico. Roosevelt Roads is base and land they had already given back to the island years ago, but they just walked right in and took it again without asking. The armament moved in there is vast, including squadrons of F-35s and bombers. Why? Cuba?
No matter what, I think Greenland is a distraction while they make moves and preparations for an attack elsewhere.
Trump said he wants the Panama canal, and Venezuela is on the way there.
To quote the random dude in the streets of Habana: “Por que no los dos?”
Split fronts? Worked out great for Hitler.
How do you think this ends?
Stay away from games of Risk. Greenland becomes prime real estate as global warming advances; making mining easier, opening Artic shipping lanes.
Also, this action gets America kicked out of NATO, a goal of both the administration and Putin. Win win.
The Epstein stuff meaning the fact that they just admitted that instead of releasing EVERYTHING, per court order, they have only released 1% of what they have. That’s not a typo - 1%.
They would rather start a war with Venezuela than deal with that.
BTW, Empty G was on The View today, and said that when Trump called her to demand that she vote NO to release the Epstein Files, claimed that Trump said that it would hurt some of his friends.
I don’t give a flying fuck about US internal problems.
Epstein stuff
Epstein? Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Get with the times. They‘re called the Trumpstein files.
Charles de Gaulle was a visionaire
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He was a realist in the most cynical sense. Maybe because of French experience throughout history that their allies no longer become allies as time goes on. The French used to be allies with the Ottomans. Then Russia used to be allied the West until the collapse of the tsardom (well, even in Putin’s earlier years as president, he had warm relations with the West until the late 00s). UK and France used to be bitter rivals but now have warm relations.
And Sarkozy was and still is a fucking traitor.
At this point i wouldnt even be that surprised anymore if the US just straight up bombs Paris. The “weak men” creating the “hard times” were the boomers all along…
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That means if France leaves the EU or becomes far-right, we’re doomed.
That means we need nukes on EU level.
I wait for the day when the Green party in Germany realizes that it is a good idea to restart the nuclear reactors to build nuclear bombs for European safety.
Different things but sure buddy
How can a nuclear weapon be created without a reactor?
You could centrifuge enough Uranium to get mostly U235 in a gun-type design (the Hiroshima bomb) and use that to trigger a larger fusion bomb.
It may be possible but as far as I know the US built nuclear power plants to create plutonium with which they built the fusion bumbs.
500 or so warheads would be needed for credible deterrance. Are centrifuges really enough? There is also not much uranium left unless we want to return to Mali who won’t just sell us theirs as long as we oppose Russia.
The USA has enough nuclear weapons stationed in Germany, you don’t need to start manufacturing more for them, thank you very much.
That means if France leaves the EU or becomes far-right, we’re doomed.
The context is that we can’t rely on the US anymore and maybe soon enough also not on France.
If we want to bomb the US we obviously don’t get the US bombs for that.
Trump is the very definition of a weak man.
“Our currently best plan is to lay on our backs, spread our limbs, and pretend to be dead.” - EU, probably.
What’s going to happen to all the US military bases on Europe?
If the US take out Greenland, and Europe do a military response, the US have easily reach to all major capitals with personal and infrastructure already there.
This is playing into Russian hands, but while those bases are there, they are already occupied by the US.
Context.
Love it how one is literally called Moron
The number of bases shows that the US have continued to treat Russia as the enemy. If Trump were Putin’s puppet the military would have staged a coup.
Man, I’ve read all of your comments. You sound like a young US veteran who lapped up the cool aid.
Military prowess is one thing. The yanks key role is to be a deterrent force. The forward bases and carrier groups, are all part of a logistics network to allow for rapid response in case of (mostly article 5).
It is not a standard base or pre deployment for an attack. It would be the most foolish thing they can do, and if they did it, they would seriously damage reputation, strategic positioning, not to mention lose key assets, key allies and troop morale.
To give you some counter koolaid: the yanks haven’t won a war since Japan and they needed a nuke for that. All other victories were allied with wait for it… European nations.
All the yanks and especially under Drunk Pete are good at, is hi tech hit and runs like Iran and Venezuela.
A US attack on EU would basically instantly make a USE, military and everything, and they would (give them some time) bomb DC and make sure that sick pedophile shoots himself in the bunker.
hi tech hit and runs like Iran and Venezuela.
A country can’t conquer a state. That’s the number one argument against Russia, that they are going to conquer Ukraine.
Regime changes are ok, or splitting countries. The US has reached their goals.
they would seriously damage reputation, strategic positioning, not to mention lose key assets, key allies and troop morale.
It’s only Europe that ignores American war crimes. The rest of the world woudn’t mind western infighting.
If they conquer Europe they would own the assets.
Troop morale of European troops would be the only real disadvantage. Now they are willing to fight Russia to defend their freedom. That won’t happen if they are conquered.
I don’t follow the reasoning here…
The US military must see Russia as an enemy. If Putin controls Trump, how could they accept Trump as the supreme commander? They must have heard the rumors, researched the relationship with the help of CIA and other agencies. They were recently all in a room with Trump on a military base. They had the opportunity to arrest him and nobody could have prevented it. They haven’t which suggest to me that the Putin connection is a distraction.
All those bases were built in the decades after the 2nd world war, not by Donnie.
My primary argument is that the military still treats Russia as a main enemy. Donnie’s influence on those bases doesn’t matter.
They haven’t closed the bases. If Russia starts an invasion they will defend. If Russia takes over their leadership they will defend.
They will defend their bases for sure. Putin won’t even attack those.
But if there was an article 5 invoked today by say Poland, I highly doubt the USA would honour it.
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The problem is that, it’s bringing war in our own soil from day-1. Sure it’s easy to launch a few missile at an US base a few minutes before having infantry taking them over, but during that time your fighting on your own soil.
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Are these really pure US bases though? My understanding is they are mainly NATO bases where the US is present as well.
The footnote even says it: “at which DOD exercises some degree of operational control”
Ramstein (and its surroundings) is de facto US territory that hosts F35 and most likely a bunch of nuclear warheads (officially there shouldn’t be any, but no one can really rely on that obviously).
I have no clue about military stuff, so I don’t know how easily planes can be intercepted etc. but I doubt Europe’s capabilities are centred around jets flying from within Germany. How quickly can an F35 reach Paris?
*DOW
What are you basing this on? Personal experience tells me this is not the case with European US Navy bases.
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You said those bases and equipment would be taken over by local militaries. Other than vibes, what are you basing that on? I’m 100% certain those troops won’t see your only option. They will fight until they die or US air and naval forces arrive. I have no idea who would win. Wondering how you know.
Source: was stationed in Europe.
Search top 5 largest air forces in the world. A quick search gives the following numbers for active military aircraft:
The United States (14,423) Russia (4,036) China (3,284) India (1,850) Egypt (1,122) Turkey (1,055) South Korea (890) Pakistan (818) Japan (779) France (697)
Any US (not a joint or UN) base will be able to hold out long enough for those aircraft to get in the fight. When that happens the number of troops on the ground won’t matter.
If EU countries attack (justified or otherwise US bases) why do you assume the goal will be taking over a capital?
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What is any of this based on? You believe that if the US went into any European country with military force they would not move support forces into the area beforehand? This is exactly what happened in Venezuela.
Look, I hope this doesn’t happen. I am not a fan of my country.
My question was what are your conclusions based on. So far that seems like nothing.
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Not the guy you’re responding to, but if you were stationed there you would have known how often supply flights come in and out of say Rammstein AB. It’s a small city, it can’t survive without the USAF mad logistics.
I don’t know if those bases would be attacked, they would be forced to surrender and GTFO their host country, with a bunch of the heavy hardware probably confiscated.
The moment the US attacks any EU nation in this trojan horse style, they would instantly have EU close its airspace, and declare war on US.
Not saying the yanks won’t be able to make a bit of a dent, and there would be chaos, but the USA would be giving up significant EU continental control for an attack that is doomed before it starts, and it would now have EU and China potentially as a coalition against it.
Not to mention Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other places us USAF forward bases might be putting them on notice.
Yes they have overwhelming airforce and navy, but not if you think about the key principle of war: good logistics. And not if you think about the phase after such failed attack.
Navy not air force here, are those result flights bringing in commissary items or weapon systems?
I’m not saying the US has an easy time or saves all bases. But thinking that the US would fight to occupy if its bases were attacked is a bold assumption.
The EU can close its airspace. The trick is enforcing that.
they would instantly have EU close its airspace
How? If the US attack they will take out any airfield first.
AA
SAMs
Threaten to release the remaining Epstein Files themselves.
It very much depends on the base.
For instance, Ramstein AFB is a whole different story from the nearby Germersheim DLA distribution center. The former is a formidable threat to central and western Europe. The latter could be taken over by a particularly enthusiastic riot police unit (but probably won’t because there’s nothing of interest there).
There’s a bunch of bases that would pose a real threat and would be prime targets for immediate missile strikes. There’s a bunch that can be dealt with by having traffic cops close off the entrance. There’s a bunch in between. It’s very much a mixed bag.
I find your userhandle also particularly enthusiastic. And you’re right. And wrong move by the yanks (and you can bet your ass EU armies are talking about this) and Rammstein would be one of the first bases to be attacked.
It pretty much depends on timing.
If the USA decided to launch surprise strikes from their more important bases, they could inflict serious damage that the EU couldn’t how to inflict on the USA. Even a swift counterstrike wouldn’t bring back the crippled infrastructure.
On the other hand, if the USA keep alienating the EU, they might get asked to leave before they could even properly prepare for such strikes. That’d be a major strategic blunder but the current administration isn’t exactly known for its masterful planning.
Either way, I just hope that Trump leaves office in one way or another before we get a real test of whether the doctrine of mutually assured destruction stands up to a senile psychopath with a cult following.
Well, Trump will be gone but another maniac will sit in the oval office after him. This will not be over after Trump!
Yeah, but cults of personality tend not to inherit very well. There’s a chance that MAGA will fracture after he’s gone, which would at least render them less effective. Right now a solid third of the country would happily hand the country over to Russia if he asked them.
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Well, what happened to the US bases in Afghanistan / Iraq?
Maybe they would fight with Europe? ^^
If they want to keep it they better station troops there
The US would see that coming before their ships even left port, triggering an instant invasion.
It’s EU territory. They can protect it from invasion by international law so what you’re suggesting would be the start of WW3 for sure
Nuclear warning shot
This is all dumb. There is no reason for troops, ect. Trump admin isn’t going to “take” Greenland. Yes, he is bat-shit insane, but all the EU (or even just the group that signed the letter) has to do is just casually mention that they will all immediately sell the Tbond debt. The EU collectively holds more than 2.3 Trillion in bonds. A simple word to the billionaires that are behind the administration that this will happen will stop all of it. They money guys ain’t that crazy to let Europe bankrupt the US Treasury in one fell swoop.
They money guys ain’t that crazy to let Europe bankrupt the US Treasury in one fell swoop.
Right-wing tech billionaires talk openly about their “network state” goal, two aspects of which include sidelining sovereign currency and weakening/destroying existing governmental institutions
Oh yes. They do want that, just not all at once.
This would hurt the EU as well because:
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those t bonds serve as a reserve giving the euro value as it can be exchanged for USD, if they sell the t bonds then people can’t exchange them for USD as easily and the value will go down as it’s harder to buy things outside of the EU which is usually denominated in USD, and a currency is only as valuable as what you can buy with it.
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this will crash the US economy and every recession that the US goes through Europe ends up getting dragged into as well
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dumping that many t bonds would reduce the price and thus they would have to sell them at a loss, leaving multi hundred billion euro hole in there balance sheet
This isn’t to say they can’t do it, just that it would cost them a lot and it remains a question if your average EU citizen would tolerate these hardships for Greenland. They’ve already shown they aren’t willing to completely cut themselves off from Russian gas for Ukraine, and Ukraine seems a more relevant cause for them then Greenland.
It would be an “if I fall you’re coming with me” measure.
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Time for Europe to militarize itself… Fast…
No need to worry. Greenland has the best covered entry teams in the world. They do it a million times and do not get caught, if they do not want to. There are even photos of Greenlands special forces close to US presidents.
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