Fuck off calling it an “operation”
Yes, very Russian. It’s America’s own “special military operation”.
Or like when the Korean war was called a “Police Action”
It is 100% an act of war, it’s even a very obvious indisputable act of war. Yet we see European leaders refusing to call it so. 😡
A war crime and a terrorist operation.
Can’t really call it a war if the other side is barely fighting back. It’s just bullying and terrorism.
War crimes apply regardless whether a conflict is international or even whether it’s a declared war. The US never declared war in Vietnam, but nobody can deny the My Lai massacre was a war crime.
They’re dogs and vassals of the empire. Of course they aren’t biting the hand that feeds.
Europe is America’s bitch. Europeans aren’t ready to accept it yet lol
I doubt it’s just the Israelis who have compromision photos of top European politicians fucking little kids that they got using operations like Epstein’s.
Of course not Russia does too, what I was saying was that CIVILIZED countries don’t behave like that.
Yeah, well, look at Britain which had a massive demonstration of half a million people against the Genocide in Gaza and yet their supposedly “leftwing” “moderate” government is arresting people for “terrorism support” when they demonstrate against it.
The people ARE civilized, it’s their elites (political or otherwise) which are unreformed barbarians by comparison, especially in those countries were the structures of power mean such people have been an entrenched and unchallenged elite for generations.
So I would say that the countries are CIVILIZED, however they’re controlled by elites whose minset is still the same as the ancient monsters from the past (hence why, for example, British governments and Press have a mindset of colonialism towards the outside and “born to rule” towards their own citizens whilst German governments and Press support the Genocide of a “lesser people by a greater people” and both deploy authoritarian means to suppress dissent even tough they’re supposedly Democracies).
This is also why I expect plenty of members of those elites will have broken the ultimate tabu of our era - they have the same principles of the ruling elites of centuries past, feel themselves above the law and firmly believe everybody else are nothing more than tools for their own personal upsides - including pleasure - and for many that would include children.
PS: As I see it, the solution for the problems in Democracies is MORE Democracy (more transparency, more accountability, more independent oversight, more variety and change) but we’re going in the opposite direction and the actions of the ruling elites in the US and the support from the political elites in certain countries for that all matches with the moving away from Democracy towards Might Is Right and Authoritarianism
I 100% agree with that last part but:
The people ARE civilized,
Not really, if the British people were civilized they would have introduced democracy instead of the bullshit excuse they have for it now.
And they would have removed the house of lords which is an extremely undemocratic and moronic institution.In Danish Lord and lort are very close verbally, and lort means shit. So to me it’s the shit house.
But that’s not the only problem, first past the post is also undemocratic and is creating a system dominated by 2 parties that take turns governing, this is not democracy but at best a deeply dysfunctional democracy, and is as bad as USA only realistically having 2 options when they vote.
UK is so behind as a society, compared to other Western European countries, the only way they may appear good is by comparison to USA. UK inherited a strong economy from the early days of industrialization, and the colonies, without that UK would have been as poor and backwards as Ireland was prior to joining EU.however they’re controlled by elites
In UK that is way more the case than other European countries, because the population accept it. The continued existence of the house of lords is clear evidence of that.
But again ONLY because the population is accepting it. No other European country will have you arrested for peaceful demonstrations, and I agree it’s an atrocity that this continues under a labour government. And I agree it is a result of the people having lost power because democracy in UK isn’t working.
Yet the solution is only a few hundred kilometers away, with plenty examples of better democracies in Europe, IMO especially the Scandinavian model.First I mainly agree with you: I lived in Britain as in immigrant for a decade, which was preceded by a decade living in The Netherlands, and my opinion of Britons (especially the English, more so their upper middle class and above) is very negative by comparison with my opinion of the Dutch in general and my impression of British society by the time I left was basically “The country of Europe closest to Fascism, only it’s disguised with posh bollocks from posh people with a posh accent”.
However this shit the current government is doing there of arresting people demonstrating against the Genocide as “terrorist supporters” doesn’t have the support of most of the population. Further, 1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
It doesn’t prove that most people are quite that good people, but it still seems to me that most aren’t quite as bad as being deemed uncivilized.
As I see it, the point you’re making is really that pretty much the entirety of the non-elites there lack a spine, both as people and as a group - hence not doing much to overthrow the power structures of that country - which is not the same as not being civilized people, though as we can see both path lead to similar outcomes in situations like this one.
Frankly, I couldn’t agree more with that view! Countless experiences I’ve had over there speak of subservience towards the upper classes and even towards society in general (the level of concern with “what will other people think of me” there, especially amongst Middle Class women, is quite extreme when compared with, for example, the Dutch) and maybe explains why they’re so good at Theatre: a lot of people over there spend their lives behind a thick complex façade so it’s unsurprising when so many make a hobby and even a profession from it.
Further, they’re relentlessly indoctrinated with both Nationalism and Respect For Authority (in other words, for the elite dynasties) by the local Press, which is maybe why the Brits are actually the least trusting in the local Press of all of Europe.
However, lack of a spine - which in my opinion is mainly a learned trait from growing up in such a society - though not exactly positive in Psychological and Freedom terms, isn’t the same as being uncivilized.
1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
Yes there are some, but it’s a minority, you have to judge a country by the majority and their government. Because those are the ones representing the country.
There can be exceptions where the people are oppressed, with military force, but UK is NOT such a country.both as people and as a group
No individuals are individuals and have different traits, this is 100% as the group we call UK.
which is not the same as not being civilized people
I would argue that having something like the house of lords is an expression of being uncivilized as a country.
Again the people consist of individuals, but as a group of people we call UK they definitely have traits in their society that are immoral and to me immoral equals uncivilized.Now all countries can have elements that are immoral, the problem with UK is that it has elements that are deeply fundamental to their society, much like USA.
I like Trumps term. He called it a strike.
Two more and he’s out, right?
I fear he is playing bowling, not baseball.
“But they’re celebrating.”
Yeah, if a foreign nation did a military operation and abducted Trump to face a trial for his crimes Americans would be in the streets celebrating.
But the celebration is going to be short when they realize their futures are now dictated by a felon rapist pedophile who’s crashing his own nation’s economy and violating his own citizen’s rights.
Trump is still a pedophile. Don’t forget that. This is not a distraction from the Epstein files.
If we manage to escape the trump dictatorship, every soldier involved needs to be court-martialed and sentenced for following illegal orders.
This made me laugh. This is the same shit we’ve been doing for 100 years. “Illegal orders” aren’t a thing when you use your imperial military to do imperialism. The last time we had a President that wasn’t a war criminal was never.
Harrison!
Yeah this is more like a return to the norm, just more blatant and overt. And even earlier than 100 years, before America was strong enough to reach out into the world and do this to other countries, it was manifest destiny against the indigenous. You won’t find a corner of this planet unmolested by American imperialism, and the hardest hit are still problems that persist to this day.
Whether it’s the Panama Canal, the Monroe doctrine, the Banana republics, or atrocities in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos. Intervening in civil wars and conflicts that would eventually create Taiwan and South Korea and Israel as American vassal states built with the purpose of serving American interests. Fomenting a coup in Iran over oil which would usher in the Iranian revolution, or smashing Iraq which created a power vacuum for isis to form. Wherever and whenever America reaches out into the world, death and destruction will typically follow. And if it isn’t leaving a shattered and broken state for whoever is left to pick up the pieces, then it’s funding and arming one side of a war to create a satellite state to enrich itself which leaves a conflict ready to reignite at any moment.
Even Harrison?
FYI US soldiers involved in illegal orders in the USA are almost never court-martialed or even put on trial. The only one I can think of actually being convicted is the Mai Lai massacre way back in 1968. The US has become consistently more brazen in its flaunting of international law regarding war crimes and any policing of its armed forces through subsequent administrations since.
In fact its very rare for US troops or even military contractors brazenly ignoring orders and committing war crimes to even be put on trial, let alone be convicted. The most recent incident I can think of is the four Blackwater contractors during ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ that massacred 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians and injured 20 in Baghdad city. There was such overwhelming evidence in the case that they were convicted by a US court of murder (one member) and manslaughter (the other three) in 2014.
Even that was an unacceptable level of accountability for the Republicans, so Trump gave them all presidential pardons in his first term in 2020.
They don’t even prosecute foreign war criminals, much less their own. US Nuremberg trails had a <0.2% conviction rate for identified war criminals lol. Less than 1% of “major war criminals”.
Criminal cops are paid instead of convicted.
There is 0 hope for any justice at all for these people unless the entire US government gets overthrown or something just as drastic.
The USA has done this many times (captured or even murdered heads of state, and anyone else they wish to), there has never been a court martial and nobody has ever been punished.
If you know of any exceptions, please share.
You could march them in fucking shackles to the Hague and they would just handwave them away. Nobody is coming to fucking save us, and the sooner people wake the fuck up and realize that, the sooner we can start organizing valuable and competent community defense networks.
This never happened in US history and I don’t think americans have the spine to do anything even remotely close to this.
Cute. Won’t happen.
Nope. But it should.
And then we should get all the world leaders in a big room and tell them they’re being bad. Then they’ll all sing and hold hands and stop all wars. And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.
Y’know… Of all the ridiculously stupid improbable absurdity that’s happened…
… I’m kinda down for that one over whatever the frick we’re living through at the moment lol.
And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.
Your mom sounds cool. Call her and tell her she’s cool. ❤️
Sadly, we won’t.
RIP International law.
*International Suggestions
Yes, exactly, and if the USA can do what they please why should other countries comply with it? It creates a dangerous precedent and an example for other authoritarian regimes. And I am afraid that Venezuela is just the beginning.
Venezuela is not the beginning. America has always been a terrorist state. You just have the memory of a goldfish.
Calvinball-based international order
Everybody with nukes does as the please. US, Russia, China, North Korea, Israel…
Everyone who abuses their power suffers economic repercussions at a minimum, militaristic repurcussions via the funding and arming of their opponents in some cases, but the precedent here being set is China asking “if the world won’t defend you, why should you defend the world?” It’s a dangerous warmongering idea that unfortunately might be taking root.
The US hasn’t really suffered any serious consequences, yet. Similar to China. Russia didn’t until Ukraine, before that they messed in Chechnya, Georgia, etc with impunity. I don’t see anyone coming to the aid of Tibet or the uyghurs either, China is pretty scot free.
Technically, Russia saw a lot of pushback over Crimea which directly predated the rest of Ukraine.
Very very minor. Some strongly worded letters and symbolic sanctions. They could have kept crimea and most of the donbas and in a decade things would have gone back to normal.
and Ukraine only because it borders Europe
Some would argue 'is in Europe "even.
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?
Wasn’t it RIP with Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or Vietnam?
Barbary Wars - 1801
So the thing about Iraq is that:
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Bush enacted the NATO articles after 9-11 but couldn’t prove which country was responsible so while the troops were rallied there was no actual NATO response just voluntary support.
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Bush, Cheney, and the CIA managed to grub up a bunch of images of Aluminium Tubes that the CIA swore up and down were used in the production of nuclear weapons, and this case was presented to Congress to gain support for the war.
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The same arguments were presented to the UN prior to the invasion.
Comparing Trump’s weekend getaway trip to that is disingenuous to its core, congress and largely the American people had absolutely no part to play in his insanity, and normalizing it or pretending there won’t or shouldn’t be repercussions for that helps nobody except for Donald Trump.
This is a childish and wrong way of understanding politics. “Orange man bad”, although a true statement, doesn’t explain USA geopolitics, which are largely bipartisan.
You say congress played no part, yet most of congress (even most democrats) don’t condemned the actions themselves, only the lack of protocol followed. Half of EU politicians are celebrating too.
I myself don’t condemn the action itself, Maduro had it coming and so do all the other anti-democratic despots of the world. I place the greater good of all future people above my own comfort.
But Trump should be punished just as any other president should, this is not their power to do.
The entire purpose of economic sanctions on Venezuela is to prevent free elections, because free elections gave rise to the Bolivarian revolution. This is not me making it up, this is literally the US policy as said by themselves with economic sanctioning:
- The majority of Cubans support Castro (the lowest estimate I have seen is 50 percent).
2.There is no effective political opposition.
3.Fidel Castro and other members of the Cuban Government espouse or condone communist influence.
4.Communist influence is pervading the Government and the body politic at an amazingly fast rate.
5.Militant opposition to Castro from without Cuba would only serve his and the communist cause.
6.The only foreseeable means of alienating internal support is through disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship.
If the above are accepted or cannot be successfully countered, it follows that every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.
By arguing about elections without taking sanctions into account, you’re just being a CIA stooge
I can’t tell if you’re being facetious of if you actually think Venezuela is Cuba? After Cuba aligned with the USSR at the height of the cold war and became a single party dictatorship, economic suppression seems like a tame response. You realize they almost set off WWIII?
I feel like support for Castro would plummet harshly if any opposition were allowed on it’s soil, but it was not.
The document: Cubans are overwhelmingly in support of communism, so we need to starve them
The most “democratic” westerner: OF COURSE WE STARVED THEM, THEY DIDN’T HAVE TWO PARTIES
Just so you know: US + EU economic sanctions have murdered 38 million people in the past 50 years, and continue to murder half a million yearly. “Tame suppression”
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Hawaii - 1950
Still occupied to this day
They never existed because we never had a real international police to enforce them. They kinda felt real because the US kinda acted like this police.
Team America: World Police was a documentary.
This is being very common with everything related to US. Ecuador invaded Mexican embassy and now this.
Meanwhile trump has reaffirmed his calls to annex greenland: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/01/04/greenland-trump-venezuela/88018306007/
Trump is everything bad about a psychopath, sociopath and narcissist.
Rolled up in what we call malignant narcissist. He has complete disregard for other people, and he has absolutely no conscience, and he expects to be worshiped.Fuck Americans for making him president twice.
Just the way he spoke about watching it happening live and comparing it to a good TV show says a lot about his mental state.
A key element of narcissism is that nothing really matters except the one person. The world is basically just something that happens and should always center around them. He’s one of the biggest narcissists to ever exist so suffering and pain in others means nothing to him. It never has and never will.
We’re all stuck in a shitty reality show going on in his head.
It’s why I disowned my family. I am so bitter about it
Sorry to hear you lost your family to a cult.
In Denmark we have 12 parties in parliament, and none of them are as bad as the Republicans. Because none of them would remove healthcare for all.
I don’t think most Americans really understand how extreme the Republicans are, even without Trump!
USA has gone mad as a society, and see the selfishness of rich Republicans as an expression of freedom.
It is not all Americans that are mad, but like when a person has terminal cancer, it is not all cells in the body that are cancerous, but it’s enough to make the cancer terminal.
USA still has good people and even remarkable people, but unfortunately they are a minority.
As a Dane whose brother works in Nuuk 2-4 months a year, I’m not a fan of those plans, actually. I’d rather he not, tbh.
Jeg er vild med dit brugernavn, broder
Tak 😁
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I mean is there any provision if one nato country attacks another then what happens? realistically I dont think even united europe could do much to US militarily, until they all sanction them heavily.
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Don’t worry, he won’t let them vote!
This headline needs to change.
US military murders 80 people an illegal raid on foreign soil.
President of peace everyone 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
FIFA peace price in shambles
FIFA, that bastion of integrity?
President of paedophilia.
With the actual winner cheering him on!
Leader of the free nation
Fuck the USA.
Fuck America, let them suffer, make them burn, especially the current administration.
It’s not just the Republicans tho. Obama bombed 8 countries in a year in 2016.
Do not absolve the past administrations, do not absolve the future administrations, canada, europe, russia or china. Fuck the global north.
All European leaders have done since the abduction of Maduro and massacre of 80 people in Venezuela “monitoring” the situation. Europe is complicit. So you’re not wrong. Not sure why people are down voting.
We can’t even get a handle on our current administration who the leader is a known pedophile, murderer, rapist, grifter, and all around POS.
Trump kidnapped a foreign leader. Let that sink in.
who is America? certainly you don’t mean its people
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Yes. The 77.3 million who chose Trump, as well as those who were too lazy to bother voting.
Collectively they can get fucking rekt.
So, what about the 75 million other Americans who voted for Harris?
Now is maybe not the time to throw “not all men” around.
Now is the time to actively resist and prove to the rest of the world yourself an ally in a global fight against fascism taking command of the largest military on the planet.
Now is the time to actively resist and prove
I’m too busy enjoying the catharsis of watching them cry about suffering the consequences. It’s crab mentality for sure, but they deserve this suffering.
As long as they do nothing to unite and just hope someone else does something for them, I’m not sure what use you think they are to me?
Well see, they’re going to vote blue again this year and again in 3 years. Because that’s worked so fucking well the last 8 times
it did work well. Joe Biden was the last president and he was a damn good one.
doubt
No, the fridges and washers. Some toasters, too.
How many times I heard that it’s ok to murder Palestinians because I’m 2006 they voted for the party that got rid of Israeli settlements.
meanwhile the American people are not responsible for the guy they voted a second time last year?
every conservative voter is directly complicit with those murders, and ideally they should face justice, and every liberal is also complicit because the Dems are useless and also do this bullshit.
Only reply I’ll accept is that the US is not a democracy, barely even a pretend one. it’s a theater for the rich to do as they please. but I’ll still blame the Americans for not providing enough pushback.
almost every other nation would have revolted. Americans are exceptionally meek bootlickers.
Are you asking that in good faith? The Maga trash for certain, though. And people who don’t take direct action, or any action.
Americans are terrorists and it’s people are cowards for allowing this to go on
And what would you do in our position? Stop acting like the average American citizen has any control over this.
General strike.
I mean, you Americans love to compare yourselves with Rome, learn something from the Secessio Plebis.
Or better, take a hint from your own previous social movements.
General strikes don’t materialize out of nowhere and require significantly more organization and infrastructure than currently exists.
So then what you need to do is build …what… ? Take your thought to it’s logical conclusion.
Look, dear American people, there is no cavalry coming to save you. You have to do this. It’s your country. Build the infrastructure, build the organization.
Start small, build up: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI
I mean, at the VERY LEAST, you could do one of those cute marches during a week day… maybe start there
This is you right now!
The real problem here is that you painted your collective selves to a corner by apathy and inaction… now, pretty much any option left does require some sacrifice but God forbid you had to move a finger and crack a nail… better let other people keep dying so you can keep watching the game with a beer in hand
Liberal Americans are just waiting out a hypothetical course correction to a more polite and slower collapse of the empire. They are completely unwilling to consider that the US government and the country itself is the bad guy.
It’s about time we stopped saying things like ”Trump attacked Venezuela” – the US did. Americans happily killed those people. And the killers’ relatives support them. Americans on Lemmy support them, claiming there’s nothing the killers could have done: they were just following orders.
Ultimately, the reason why supposed opponents of the Trump regime are looking for you and others to provide them with a clear path for how to decisively defeat the entirety of the US government in one fell swoop, is that their red lines, at which they’re willing to fight, win or lose, have not been crossed yet. Everything so far has been tolerable to them.
This separates them from the Maga grassroots Americans, that notably managed to storm the Capitol.
The average American is a pile of uneducated garbage.
Im just an indigenous guy enjoying the downfall of your people
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lol like a man falling off a cliff, grasping at branches
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Fat apathetic ignorant Americans are the true cowards.
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It’s telling that you find that idea so outlandish.
People do sign up to fight aggressive shit hole countries like the US all the time, even when the odds don’t look good on paper. Just look at Ukraine. At this point most Europeans have probably given a fleeting thought to the possibility that they might soon have to fight Russia too.
For that matter, look at all poorly equipped militias that have fought off the US at massive disadvantages.
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This is just such an incredibly stupid insulting thing to say.
Millions of Americans oppose this admin and are actively protesting and volunteering against it.
We can’t just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots
We can’t just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots
It’s Jan 6th. tomorrow, just saying.
Yeah, and how did that work out?
Worked out great for the traitors, they all got pardoned and got re-elected.
It seems to have worked well enough for them, since they’re the ones running the government now.
I also don’t think they’re going to leave peacefully ever. If you want them out, you might as well toss them out sooner than later.
It didn’t stop Biden’s inauguration, which was the stated goal.
You do realise there is another half of the country that opposes this right? Even if 55% of the country tries to throw trump out 45% will show up to stop him and that will be a very bloody conflict.
Better just to wait until mid terms and next election and vote him out.
Do you think they’ll accept a loss at the next election, or are they going to start a bloody conflict anyway?
Not sure. I think the right will but I also think if they dont then its the better time for a bloody conflict.
You’ll have a lot more people on your side after an election loss because trump is already unpopular and people will feel cheated out of democracy. Whereas if you start a conflict now your side will look like the ones trying to overthrow democracy since he was the legitimate winner.
You only get one shot at this kind of thing
Yes you can. “Millions of Americans” sounds like an army.
An army with (at best) small arms. Against the US military, we may as well have sticks and stones.
Your American army got defeated by villagers with sticks and stones in Vietnam.
Yeah it definitely didn’t have anything to do with all the hardware and intel from Russia
Always someone else’s fault with you yanks. Never taking responsibility for your own failings.
“My” failing for a dumb war that ended over a decade before I existed. K.
Changing your Facebook profile picture doesn’t count. If you feel insulted, look around and think.
Yeah you can’t cause you’re all talk, you’re idiots and cowards. The faster you guys become a third world shithole the better.
Your entire country is a disease.
Sincerely an indigenous person
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Yes. And the good Americans are constantly working towards that, anywhere from really complicated micro step means like funding grassroots progressives to things like Massie and Khanna collaborating on legislation to nation wide protests.
This is an extremely complex and disturbing situation that requires mass demonstrations and complex beuarocratic machinations and acting like Greg from Atlanta not rolling up to Washington on a tractor with a shotgun is what’s letting it happen is fucking reductive, emotional, immature, unconstructive, childish, in-fighting causing, and just fucking stupid. As stupid as they nking democracy is dead in the USA.
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go and fuck your hat. I’m a coward because I don’t want to stand up to the most powerful military in the world being damn near a senior citizen?
Bro, they on your side.
No one expects you to go Rambo. They just want the majority of people to find their morals and do something.
As unlikely as that is dont get so worked up because some anon was provoking you to do exactly what you just did. Maybe tomorrow you wont take down your local police department but instead look at a homeless person and think, “this isnt right.”
I do contribute. Drive for a local charity a few hours a month. They need a truck, I got a truck.
I’m frustrated as fuck with the govt. right now. but, they voted it in and now we have to try to get through it. I hope it doesn’t end with bloodshed.
Thats it man, youre leagues above. Dont let the politics trigger you. Youre losing yourself to something you cant control.
Same goes for me.
Really just outs the commenter as having no fucking clue what they are talking about.
We are doing what we can. Constant record breaking protests. Progressives are winning by historic margins. These stupid fucking pretentious insulting comments do less than nothing.
People really just cannot fucking comprehend the breadth and intensity of the psy op propaganda that the Republicans have enacted (really since Nixon) but intensely starting with Trump.
Unprecedented targetting, unprecedented amounts of propaganda, and a collaboration with multiple foreign adversaries to assist. Trumps campaign was literally sending voter data to Russia so they can specifically target Americans with propaganda.
On top of OAN, Fox News, podcasts, and talk radio, we literally had Russia and china making thousands of full on fake websites posing as legit news spreading insane anti left bullshit. Social media was completely flooded with bots spreading misinformation leading up to all of Trump’s elections
America is the victim of the biggest and most advanced brainwashing campaign in the history of mankind and we all seem to be ignoring that fact when it is the single most important aspect of modern American and global politics.
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Pure cope.
You try changing people’s opinions when you can’t even agree on what is and what isn’t reality. I really don’t think you guys have any idea how broken half of this country is. We do. Because we have to deal with these people on a daily basis. Some of them are our family.
says to do something
doesn’t say what that something is
Sounds like a you problem
Then keep that shit to yourself
Woo woo woo woo lemmy police are here.
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I am, the others arent. Wait till the midterms are stolen. We will reach peak irony levels there and some more might be willing till talk.
Your neighbor’s nephew once wore blue jeans, so he’s basically a war criminal.
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We expect you to do your best
how about try to ask yourself: would you have shot hitler, had you been there, in nazi-germany? when all oposing parties and minorities were consecutively arrested and jailed?
There were several assassination attempts against Hitler, some of those attempts by Germans.
i am a german, i know of this stuff. i was just responding to the guy, who said, theres nothing, as an US-american, he can do about. Sure he can. Americans shouldnt belittle us, as to what happened during the time of nazi germany, when they wont do stuff themselves, when presented with an somewhat similar situation.
This Canadian agrees.
This is the best evidence we have for time travel
There have been several assassination attempts against Trump as well as consistent protests that are breaking participation records
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okay, so the google ai (i forgot to turn it off) says pre ww2 germany was about 633,000 square kilometers to the hogshead (including austria and sudentenland because idk i was up late). united states takes up about 9,150,000 square kilometers to the hogshead. does that explain the difference in size a little bit?
so what, the country is bigger, so any assasination on trump is riskier? or resistence to the covernment? i dont understand your logic, what does size of a country matter when presented with an president, who does fascist things, right in the front of you face. And the american people do nothing about it, they then are all complicit in his actions, as were deemed the german people during the nuremberg trials.
y’all are trying to say just walk over to dc. you seem to not understand the scale of things. you had a country, we have a continent to walk across. fucking bad faith nazi.
Yeah why aren’t me and you single handedly overthrowing this democratically elected government! We must be stupid or something
I love seeing foreigners asking Americans online why they don’t just stop this.
Like, motherfucker millions of us voted against this.
This is the result of multiple nations and multiple massive data analytics corps collaborating to create the biggest propaganda machine ever seen on earth which brainwashed millions of Americans.
But yeah. Why the fuck isnt Dave, the liberal from Vermont just walking to Washington and stopping this!!! /s
It’s not, though. Europeans in the fediverse have consistently made this argument since the election.
No. But the American logic has always been “we must do something” -> “this is something” -> “therefore we must do it”. Take the dumbest idea and run with it, or use it as an excuse for inaction.
This why you guys are considered the dumbest people on Earth
Excellent retort. Now go feel high and mighty.
You’ve really made a difference by insulting people who agree with you and are already using their means to fight against this admin
You are a true revolutionary.
Wish you could go back in time and tell all the Jews in Germany who didn’t vote for Hitler that they are stupid for not stopping him. That would be really constructive. You could really save us some trouble there.
You’re comparing the american people to the jews in 1940? The jews were a tiny minority and they had the state AND the public against them.
i’ve literally seen you ask this
You are a coward. Along with the millions who stayed home on voting day, letting this global nightmare happen. 2nd amendment you yanks love to waive around in everyone’s face, was made for this. Yet … crickets.
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Careful with that edge, GreenCrybaby23.
The victim is the world and the murder-rapist is the us. We do think its fucked up you all live in the same house but there comes a point when maybe “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos” does not work when you are all buying the clown makeup for John Wayne Gacy.
Us citizens are the perpetrators of these global crimes. Your government acts in all your names
Wow, thats a bit of a crash out.
Makes a post like this and calls other people pathetic is a pretty legendary crash out.
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I unblocked you for a response, something I don’t usually waste my time on but this is so funny I had to point it out.
you have at least two alt accounts and are actively accusing and discrediting someone for the same thing. I think @[email protected] should at least know who they’re arguing with.
as if that wasn’t enough, you actually upvote all of your own comments with your alt accounts.
🤣
it’s absurd, if you spent half that effort on being a normal human being nobody would be able to tell how pathetic you are.
anyway, good luck with whatever hate machine you’re building. if this is the best you can do you’re going to need it.
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sounds like someone is mad they got caught 🤣
tag me however you want, won’t make your actions any less pathetic.
for the record, I wouldn’t have even seen it if you hadn’t downvote bombed all my comments, but you piqued my interest enough to investigate your account.
I found some pretty interesting stuff. did you know that it’s possible to see all the downvote bombing you’ve done? like seriously dude…do you not have a life? not only that, but it seems you actually wrote a script to go through and do it for you because these timestamps are almost simultaneous.
I’m impressed that you could know enough to script something out and still be ignorant enough to leave breadcrumbs behind. real amateur hour stuff.
that’s not the only interesting thing either. I can see your upvotes too. it’s pretty telling tbh.
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What a child.
The US acts of war? Why does the news do this. We all know this isn’t an “operation”.
Same reason Russia invading Ukraine was.
“Stop me.”
Still waiting for a Western news source to call the US administration terrorists.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
The amount of people who voted republican completely obliterates the tiny fraction of people who abstained from voting democrat. How about directing focus where it’s relevant?
The amount of people who sat home on voting day outweighs both republican and democrat voters. Apathy won the last presidential election, just like every election in recent memory.
Apathy is a tool of capital. If apathy is the reason, capitalism is the cause
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While true, a Pew study found that “if all Americans eligible to vote in 2024 had cast ballots, the overall margin in the popular vote likely would not have been much different”.
So, anyone continuing the “nonvoters did this” line can fuck off.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect
Also true, but much more easily said than done.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect
Which is exactly the job of the Democrat Party leaders, which is done via amongst other things offering potential voters the things they desire and assuaging their concerns, things which are clearly not “Unwavering support of Israel and its Genocide”, “Do whatever is good for Finance and Tech-bros” or “Supporting the Cheney family, legacy and political ideology”.
The people with by far the most power to convince leftwing leaning non-voters to vote for the Democrat Party were the Democrat Party leaders and they, with all that power they had, actually did the very opposite of trying to cater to the desires and concerns of such non-voters.
Yet around here whenever american politics pops up as a subject we get a rabid pack of mindless useful idiots blaming non-voters literally for not convincing themselves to vote for a party whose leaders activelly tried to reject them, never blaming those fucking leaders for activelly rejecting said potential voters.
Fuck the subservient, bootlicking Democrat Party tribalists who keep on excusing the profound incompetence and greed of their tribe’s “chiefs” and parroting the DNC propaganda line that pushes the blame to non-voters rather than accept that the blame for a fucking monster like Trump having been elected a second time is overwhelmingly of the DNC and the rest of the Democrat Party leadership who once again chose to “stay pretty close but just below” in the Evil scales from the Republicans
Maybe it’s not so obvious for those living inside America and its Politics, but from the outside it’s obvious that both of Trump’s presidential election victories are the end product of decades of the Democrat Party leadership getting away with representing ever fewer people whilst relying on a “vote lesser evil” strategy, all of which supported by the very same useful idiots who now, once again, come out relentlessly parroting the “everybody but ourselves is to blame” mindless bullshit that only an acephalic tribalist muppet would believe.
It is fucking obvious for anybody who knows just a bit of World History that Trump or somebody like him was bound to be elected sooner or later in the US when the strategy of the competing political force there was nothing more than invariably sidding with the handful of moneyed elites just limited by the need to stay just one step below in the Ladder of Evil from the other political force.
So enjoy the Fall Of The Empire you created for yourselves (by supporting a “Greater Evil” vs “Lesser evil” political power structure) and for the other 340 million people over there, whilst the rest of us batters the hatches and endures the side effects of the “Empire overextending itself militarily whilst the homeland becomes ever empoverished and authoritarian” phase of such Fall until America fizzles in power (if you’re lucky) or breaks up.
“tiny fraction of people” millions of registered D voters sat it out
The DNC knew that Harris campaign pursuing Republican votes would cost her the election. She knew it, too, she’s not dumb.
Independents outnumber Ds and Rs; if you ignore your own Democrats and ignore Independents and pursue Republican votes, you will lose every time.
The math requires you to keep your own voters AND acquire Independent votes. There’s no way around it, not enough Ds exist, even if all had voted you still need I votes.
This is why Democratic campaigns are otherwise always focused on D and I votes.
Why did they ignore the fundamentals? You decide… but recall that she raised over a billion dollars in a few months, whilst Trump raised only 900 million in four years.
yeah but then how could libs feel smugly superior?
they’d rather blame the tiny fraction of people with principles rather than the third of the country that is actively fascist, because politically, they’re closer to the fascists
I’d hardly take criticism from so called leftists regarding smugness.
Blaming “liberals” for not voting on “principle” (re: ego) while they sit on their asses telling everyone else to form an armed rebellion instead certainly aren’t smug bastards themselves.
Because they are the ones that knew but chose to play some bullshit game instead of putting their shit aside for the reality they knew was there but just made them feel uncomfortable.
Its actually way worse in that way then the republicans who are nearly impossible to blame as they were and some still are totally convinced a fantasy reality was actually there at that time and can’t be held as accountable by blaming as much as they see it as a personal attack and it vindicates them if not put in language they understand.
Tell the republicans to fuck themselves and it helps to remind them they’re supporting a pedo and a warmongerer. Hold them accountable with specifics actions he’s done against them and why its bad. Not a general you shouldn’t have voted for him because fantasyland reasoning
You have to do their thinking for them entirely I’m learning, its like drugs, theyre addicted to people thinking for them, have to get them a healthy alternative to get them weaned so they can fend for themselves afterwards but not before that happens
play some bullshit game
Oh I know this one, its the two party system pretending to be a democracy right?
But I am things are bad because the wrong team is in power, and if they turn out to be great it is all due to the brave right team. But hey good thing you are there to “do their thinking for them entirely”!
Jesus your contextual reading needs work
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
You need therapy and a fucking wake up call. This is reality not some ideological victimhood posturing contest. The two party system controlled by the media and the monetary powers that be run this shitshow (along with Russian gov misinformation campaigning and other fucking useful idiots)
So spelled out. It was not a good time to take that fight and were all getting fucked up now because you fucked up your turn.
Figure if they come for you, your family or a loved one and send them to some hellhole that might that might help you understand that. But have fun winning your “The world has to work how I want it before I participate” award. Wasn’t worth it IMO.
Learn to play the actual game or get fucked by those that already do. Good fucking luck next turn. Do not fuck up this one
You need therapy
What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Well, I’ve been voting “blue no matter who” for damn near 30 years now, and shit has not changed for the better. Society has changed for the better in some ways, but that is not being represented in our government.
I’m starting to think my vote for Nader was the sanest thing I’ve ever done in my civic life.
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
And you see no issues with this statement? You need the wake up call, you live in a hellscape that is actively making the world worse and just assume I do too. You and your american exceptionalism can go to hell. The best time to fight was before and the next best time is now.
Please do the world a favor and ether fix your shit nation or collapse already.
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Bologna. There are not enough conservative voters in virtually any nation to win in an election that progressive voters actually turn out to. Conservatives only win when progressives don’t vote; conservatives NEVER don’t vote.
I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to
make it close.— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine
That argument works when the difference is small.
That argument doesn’t work when one option is a cataclysmic disaster
But most importantly - when you look at what policies that Trump voters said they voted for, you could divide that into a fraction of voters voting for evil (plain stupid racists), and a large fraction voting for something positive which they had been told Trump would deliver - yet which he was objectively worse at. Most people voted Trump for the economy while told he was a great businessman, or for healthcare while told he’d make health insurance more affordable (but now he made it less), etc…
Almost every positive impact in the last decades that his voters attributed to him was delivered by his opposition.
This wasn’t an election lost to attrition. Your quote explains nothing about what happened.
There was more votes than ever. It was lost to propaganda and people being idiots, not seeing through the fraud. Trump’s policies lost every poll when names were taken off. Everything he wanted to do kept being rejected. But the propaganda machine made people distrust the people who delivered all the things they said they were grateful for, and to trust the liar instead.
Implying that a Harris/second Biden administration wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster
Implying that any outcome where AmeriKKKa continues to exist and destroy our world wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster
If you can not understand a difference in scale then your school years was a cataclysmic disaster
Maybe they went to an Arkansas school, or any other american one that teaches people to only support the terrible system.
But hey! You voted right so you can be smug and its only fair you get to point your impotent rage at those who did not vote the way you did. And next time when the two parties are both somehow worse you can once again vote for the lesser evil!
Republican voters voted for this. Non-voters didn’t vote, hence the name. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. Even if there wasn’t a single non-voter, nothing would’ve changed. Try directing your douchebag attitude towards those who are actually responsible.
I agree that saying “non-voters voted for” anything is basically absurd, but people sitting on the couch rather than voting did affect the outcome of the 2024 election. A bit over three million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020.
Yes, the second and first most voted elections in your nations history. Clearly it is the small number of voters that are not supportive of the only two options at fault.
Managed democracy is meant to be a joke, but the real joke is the attitude on display from americans that somehow still think they live in a democracy.
Non voters voted for this by virtue of being too stupid to know how our system works. They deserve responsibility.
Every non-voter was fine with this outcome because they couldn’t sack up and make the less bad choice. If you see a car coming towards a child in the road and do nothing you are still partly responsible if they get hit. They allowed it to happen through their inaction.
In our first past the post system with only 2 parties, the non-voters did vote for this.
Bro just wants someone to blame to avoid facing responsibility.
Responsibility for someone else’s vote?
All the people making excuses for why their vote clearly didn’t matter so they were better off not voting obviously aren’t making excuses themselves. That would be silly!
Republicans by and large know what they voted for. Protest-non-voters need to be informed what they in fact voted for, as you demonstrate.
Ah yes see you’re looking to assign responsiblity. Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
There’s been polling analysis that showed if you forced everyone to vote then Harris would have lost to Trump by an even bigger margin due to the unpopularity of the administration at the time. Nonvoters didn’t make a difference. Michigan was won by Trump by a bigger margin than all college students or Arabs or Muslims or any other minority group in the state.
I think you’re trying to assign blame. Again, I am informing non-protest-voters what they voted for.
They totally care
Knowledge is power.
The USA famously never invaded or bombed any country during Democrat administration /s
Obama bombed the shit out of people his entire term. Including an American citizen.
Kamala. Supported. The. Genocide.
Oh shut up already, Gaza is totally saved because you didn’t fucking vote
Please note that Presidents are NOT elected by popular vote, this is all worthless posturing.
We’re about to get more than one genocide thanks to people like them.
Yea? How’s that lookin currently?
The other instead is the genocide
Oh? Thank God she never got to be president
AmeriKKKa is uniparty on foreign policy. This exact outcome would have happened under a Harris administration, except they would have kept up the kayfabe, so I would have had to spend hours debating with shitlibs like you that this war is in fact just about oil.
If you wanna play “shame Olympics”, liberals should be fucking ashamed for losing to the fucking fascists twice, giving the keys of the kingdom to the fascist twice, doing fucking nothing with their political power every time they had it, and barely even pretending to offer a political program worth fighting for.
Ah gotta love the insults (and b b b b b b biden bad!). Ciao.
Of course Biden bad! Biden could have ended the Gaza genocide with a single fucking phone call! Are you a genocide supporter?!?
It’s amazing they’re only upset about insults after starting off with them
Trump, of course, being so much better.
Pragmatism beats principles every day of the week. The problem is it makes weak-willed people scared.
Yes, pragmatically speaking, voting for Biden does absolutely fucking nothing to alleviate any of the problems faced by the working class. It doesn’t affect the onward progression of capitalism, it doesn’t stop the racists from controlling the government, doesn’t stop the cops from murdering black people, doesn’t stop the erasure of LGBTQIA lives, doesn’t do anything.
The pragmatic options are to first stabilize your own situation, and then organize popular resistance and do direct actions if you have the bandwidth.
