Netanyahu is also Merz’s daddy.
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Yeh, we speak the same language in aus honestly
For those outside of the loop, this US pawn worked for Blackrock, this reaction is wholly unsurprising.
And he is the “right” kind of Christian.
Legally trivial, morally complex and very much dependant on the outcome.
^ This Lemming geopolitics.
Can’t wait to see what all those spineless politicians will say when Trump appoints a Governor of Venezuela.
He already did - kind of. He acknowledged the Vicepresident of Venezuela, Delcy Rodriguez, as acting President, and stated pretty bluntely, that they can treat her like Maduro if she doesn’t submit to his demands. I’d view this as appointment as governor Trumpi gratia.
I do realise we are vulnerable right now because we let the US handle everything security related. And now we’re paying the price for it, but is appeasement really the proper strategy here?
Only option for Europe i see going forward is heavy militarization. Usa is no longer an ally in any real capacity
The good news is you’re not too far off in absolute terms from being able to completely stand on your own. Bad news is it’ll still take years.
Even worse news im stuck in america for at least the next 5 years
Oh! Sorry about that. Maybe you can join us up north one day.
No, they are complicit. All the elites are just playing games against each other, using their pawns (us). The only time we get a break, is when our interests happen to align with other elites.
Don’t call them “elites” because they aren’t good at anything. Call them what they are, oligarchs. Then eat the rich.
Germany is massively building up its military while talking like this. Are other countries doing the same?
Well massively building up defence spending and actually increasing the capabilities of your armed forces are sadly two different things in Germany.
Drones, hypersonic missiles, no must for public tender, attilery production, companies switching to military production. If left wing media complains here it means Germany is doing some things right.
I stand by it. None of it will function properly when everything is said and done. But a lot of money will have been spent. They would need to reform the ways of military purchase first.
Poland, and there is Rearm Europe as well I guess.
Will the German military be used to fight against America, in some kind of NATO breakup, or support us against China and Russia, helping secure Americas place as hegemon for a little longer?
The latter seems infinitely more realistic.
Well, I sure hope Europe will team up with China to fight the US in case the US is invading an european country.
OK, lets say next week Trump declares Greenland US territory, what can Europe even do? Leave NATO and try to build an entirely new military from the parts in hope the member states are willing to politely ask all the US bases to leave, in preparation to go to war for Greenland? China will happily sell you weapons, but whats the chance it actually goes to war with one of its biggest trading partners, who happens to have 3 vassal states right in their own backyard?
Yall don’t really have an option to oppose the US, only not to support us, which seems less likely by the day.
I’m sorry why exactly would Europe need to build a new military after the US leaves? Are they gonna take EU armies with them?
UK and France have nukes and aircraft carriers, Poland and Germany building up their continental forces, Sweden is no joke either.
If Europe wanted they could defend Greenland. I don’t think the US would be ready to use the necessary resources to win that fight.
I’m sorry why exactly would Europe need to build a new military after the US leaves? Are they gonna take EU armies with them?
The US is integral to NATO’s logistics, equipment and vital components for maintaining it is only made in the US.
The entire command structure of NATO is dominated by the US, without the US, you don’t have armies, you have some soldiers and officers.
Even then, you seem to imagine a fair fight, between spherical soldiers, in a vacuum, not a fight between Europe, and the guys who spent the entire cold war influencing European governments and embedding right-wing militias just in case yall decided to be insufficiently anti-communist.
UK and France have nukes and aircraft carriers, Poland and Germany building up their continental forces, Sweden is no joke either.
They are next to the country that spends 10x more on the military than all of you combined. America’s only rival is China.
When Trump is telling Poland, Germany, and Sweden to increase military spending, and they listen, it’s not because they want to have someone to fight for greenland, it’s because the US expects to use yall to fight its own enemies and your rulers are planning for as much.
America’s only rival is China
Or Afghanistan. Or Vietnam lol
UK and France have nukes and aircraft carriers
Yeah, three aircraft carriers between them. The US has eleven.
Poland and Germany building up their continental forces, Sweden is no joke either.
People don’t understand how staggeringly powerful US military is. The top six most powerful air forces might give you an idea of the scale we’re talking about:
- US Air Force
- US Navy
- US Army
- US Marines
- Indian Air Force
- Chinese Air Force
If Europe wanted they could defend Greenland
Absolutely no chance for Europe to even come near Greenland, if the US doesn’t want to allow it.
I don’t think the US would be ready to use the necessary resources to win that fight.
The US has resources to maintain war with two relatively equal in strength superpowers (until recently that was assumed to be russia and China) outside the continental US. That’s their doctrine, and that’s what they built their military for. Even if the EU banded together with China, russia, and India, I still wouldn’t necessarily bet against the US.
Huh so somehow that all powerfull US military couldn’t beat Afghanistan but China or Europa gonna be easy peasy? lmao
The Mossad has tapes of him eating sloppy Bockwurst on the Autobahn.
One is left wondering for just how many members of his party does America and Israel have compromising pictures of them fucking children taken via operation’s like Epstein’s and similar.
Bet there’s a lot of compromising evidence for corruption too (I mean, at one point selling yourself to Russian interests was THE thing to do for German politicians), but them being blackmailed with evidence of pedophilia more neatly explains the desperate subservience of this German government to America and Israel.
You know not every bad person is a pedophile, right? Merz can be a piece of shit without having to be into little kids.
In the end he’s just unfit for his position. He’s weak, opportunistic and rich. That’s more than enough to think crawling up Trumps ass is a winning strategy
Never said it was Merz personally and very explicitly said “members of his party”.
If you think German power elites are any less likely to have the kind of sociopath who looks at a child and sees a potential source of personal pleasure than unaccountable elites elsewhere, you might want the really ponder on your nationalist prejudices - no one nation is more or less likely to have such people, the only difference is how much accountability there is for those who do such things, especially when they’re in positions of power and nations with widespread “our people are different” prejudices on such things tend to be worse in terms of accountability for it because suspicions are much more likely to be dismissed with “that doesn’t happen here”.
If there’s one thing the Epstein revelations are showing is that people in positions of power with that very specific kind of thinking are spread all over in the West and were being activelly enticed to act on such fantasies with a honeypot controlled by at the very least Israeli intelligence and, quiet probably, also the American one and Germany, both due to its size and wealth and its links to Israel, is a prime candidate for such targetting.
There is no evidence for German politicians being pedophiles. Not every country is the US.
Search for Edathy.
That is straight up Q anon conspiracy nonsense. The reality is that geopolitics is complicated and interdependent. The US has sewn influence and is very powerful on the world stage. And, when push comes to shove, a lot of world leaders don’t care about rule of law or norms as long as the bad things are being committed by an ally a long way from home.
Sure mate, Germans are a superior people with not a single sociopath attracted to both children and power amongst them (unlike lesser people such as Americans), Epstein was a fucking saint and if he wasn’t it was only an “amazing coincidence” that there were several members of Israeli Security Services photographed with him and if they were actually using his child sex ring to gather blackmail material they would only ever target America and Americans in power circles and never Germany and Germans in power circles and, besides, the entire concept of pedophilia is a massive conspiracy.
It could never be the case that both Israeli and American (the latter actually caught eavesdropping on Merkel’s mobile phone some years ago) espionage services would love to have blackmail material on the politicians of the largest and wealthiest country of Europe and that Epstein’s organisation was designed exactly to acquire such material on people in positions of influence and power in Western nations, even if it’s actually entirelly logical and well within the kind of thing the espionage agencies playing the Great Game do (the most well known being how Russia’s security services used sex honeypots to gather Kompromat for decades).
Any such ideas of state actors using sex (involving chidren or otherwise) to blackmail people in power in wealthy and influent countries such as Germany can only ever be “conspiracy nonsense” (except if that country is the US)!!!
You are taking disconnected elements and spinning a huge narrative with big reaches which just isn’t necessary to explain the actions of world leaders.
Unfortunately, I think for most of them, they’re just feckless cowards
A machine translation is unacceptable. They tend to warp what was said or get it wrong entirely. At least use a good translation service if you are gonna do that.
What an asinine thing to say. Do you mean I should hire a human translator to read and repost a tweet in a language I understand but assume you don’t?
In my experience machine translation often have different, nonsensical or even opposite meaning when compared to the original. I.e. yes. You have no right to yell at a foreigner over things they may not have said in another league not directed at you.
Trying to sow doubt, are we?
Relationship status: it’s complicated
I mean, it is embarrassing but the strategy is clear here. Don’t piss off Daddy in hope to prolong the support for Ukraine (or preventing the support for Russia).
The EU and especially Germany has been grabbed by the nuts by the speed the US is leaving the show in Europe. Germany is doing as much for building up the military as the German society can take, it was admired for this strategy some time ago.
But they need a couple of more years to gain real independence (if they succeed). And for this time, they are vulnerable.
I see the hipocrisy, sure, but I don’t think it’s just stupid, but a strategy. I am genuinely interested, what would you guys do?
And for this time, they are vulnerable.
I have yet to see a comparison of military capabilities of the EU and Russia, or Nato without the US and Russia that shows that Russia could win.
It’s not about Russia winning against the EU, they can barely progress meters a month in Ukraine. Every Intel report the US withholds from Ukraine has the potential to cost Ukrainian lives, German equipment, French support, UK morale, etc.
The complete destruction of Europe is not the only thing we are worried about, every tantrum thrown by the orange toddler has very serious consequences.
I see through your strategy and won’t do you the favor and disprove your claim, but ask you to do the opposite - show us that Russia is no threat towards the EU.
If you read military experts like for example Sönke Neitzel or Carlo Masala, you will come to the conclusion that Russia is indeed a threat. Comparing pure numbers of soldiers or dollars is a naive fallacy.
Sönke Neitzel or Carlo Masala
Thanks for the reference.
show us that Russia is no threat towards the EU
What would be the strategic goal? Using a war to conquer the Baltics for security is stupid.
The EU could unlock Russia’s resources and be the security partner to protect those resources against American interests.
The future of the world is in the east. It is a waste of resources to expand further in the west.
The tricky question is why Ukraine was then important at all. I think it wouldn’t be if things like Iraq, Syria or Venezuela wouldn’t happen. The US are developing starshield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield . Nukes don’t guarantee security anymore and Europe could be a sacrifice that the US is willing to make so some territorial buffer was needed.
What would be the strategic goal? Using a war to conquer the Baltics for security is stupid.
Putin stated very clearly, that his goal is to rebuild the Russian Empire. He claimed more than once all land a Russian soldier ever set foot on as genuine Russian possession - That would be the old Warsaw Pact.
The EU could unlock Russia’s resources and be the security partner to protect those resources against American interests.
That’s exactly what Putin’s Erasian doctrin aims fore Only problem. The European ideas about human rights, democracy &c are incompatible with the idea of an authocratic Russian hegemony over Eurasia. If he made peace and cooperated with the EU, these ideas would destroy his autocratic rule. He needs vasall states, not partners.
He claimed more than once all land a Russian soldier ever set foot on as genuine Russian possession - That would be the old Warsaw Pact.
Do you have a quote for that?
I have checked his essay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians and it doesn’t sound that extensive.
Putin’s Erasian doctrin
Which doctrin?
He needs vasall states, not partners.
The way the EU reacted to Venezuela, it couldn’t get much worse. But is that really the Russian objective?
Why would France and Germany alone not be stronger than Russia? Apart from Nukes, if Russia aligns with Europe, e.g. like Norway, wouldn’t that shift power to the EU?
<He claimed more than once all land a Russian soldier ever set foot on as genuine Russian possession - That would be the old Warsaw Pact.
Do you have a quote for that?
Sure, at 03:23:21
Edit: thanks to @plyth for pointing out the wrong link
Thanks for the correction.
The context in the debate is the rejected peace treaty. It puts pressure on Ukraine to sign as soon as possible. Russia was willing to stop and sign the treaty earlier which should show that expanding the territory is not the primary goal.
The Indonesian president afterwards mentions the influence of the media. It’s not as obvious as with Venezuela but the Ukraine war is also a big western resource grab. Framing Putin as an unreasonable imperialist hides that in plain sight.
Please check the link. It’s a channel.
The trouble is that on a lot of topics, the German government and especially Merz’ party clearly aren’t interested in independence. It’s very obvious with digital services.
Just look at Merz’ employment history and you know why. He is bought by the US investment firm Black Rock. It’s as complicated as this.
It’s much easier to complain that to acknowledge real world complexities. Ukraine cannot, not could most of Europe, survive Russian agression without American command and control systems as that’s how NATO has run for decades in part to avoid costly duplication.
Now, a gangater is using that alliance as a point of vulnerability to shakerown “allies” and people get whiny about the digital services stuff. Europe has a really brutal hand to play right now and it sucks.
Now, a gangater is using that alliance as a point of vulnerability to shakerown “allies”
If the EU doesn’t build it’s own structure it becomes likely that it is not a shakedown.
The fact that so many people don’t understand this is nuts to me. There’s the military gear support for Ukraine case, the Greenland case, the tariffs case, the AI tech case, all the IT services case - all of that crap that Trump, sufficiently annoyed, can just take away from the EU. It’s clear that Congress is no longer functional and US slid into dictatorship, so there’s nobody who could stop him. Which means that, when we see him illegally invading a sovereign country, we say “it’s complicated”.
My brother in Christ, we’ve known that since the beginning.
Reliance of defense on the US without owning nukes was bad, but digital services should have never left the continent.
US was two steps from fascism at least since the 2001.
I don’t see how the same people in EU will change the course. Because I don’t believe they want to.
And I worry only the alt right will benefit from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élysée_Treaty
Just two months after the signing of the friendship treaty, a new controversy between France and West Germany occurred. President de Gaulle intended the treaty to make West Germany distance itself and eventually separate itself from its American protector. He saw West Germany (and the other member states of the European Economic Community) as vassalized by Washington. The treaty was notable in that it made no mention of the United States, United Kingdom, NATO, or the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT).[9]
However, after US President John F. Kennedy expressed his displeasure about this to the West German ambassador to the United States, the Bundestag ratified the treaty with a preamble which called on France and West Germany to pursue tight cooperation with the United States; the eventual admission of the United Kingdom to the EEC; the achievement of a free trade accord in the framework of the GATT; and for the West’s military integration in NATO under US leadership.[10] This effectively emptied the Treaty of any sense (in Gaullist understanding) and put end to General de Gaulle’s hopes of building the EEC into a counterweight to the US and the USSR. “The Germans are behaving like pigs. They are putting themselves completely at the Americans’ service. They’re betraying the spirit of the Franco-German Treaty. And they’re betraying Europe.”[11] Later, in 1965, the General told his closest aides behind closed doors: “The Germans had been my greatest hope; they are my greatest disappointment.”[12]
This shit has been going on since 1963…
As much as I like the French surrender jokes, they have been the greatest advocates of a strong and independent Europe for the last 80 years, from de Gaulle then to Sarkozy now (domestic popularity aside). They are on to something…
France has been the most succesful military power in Europe for 1.5 millenia. IIRC they were temporary occupied just once.
They were briefly occupied at the end of the Franco-Prussian war, and the War of The Sixth Coalition ended with foreign powers sitting in Paris picking France’s new government.
Thanks, you’re correct. Three times. Still one of the most successful military powers in Europe.
“this is not the time to comment on the legality of the recent actions.” …
Colonialism/Imperialism in a nutshell.
Of fucking course now is the time. When would that be, in a couple of months when all is done and settled?
Many people disliked Gaddafi, are Libian people better off now than they were before the homicide of Gaddafi?
I genuinely don’t know. Are they?
The state is now divided among different contending military governments. It’s basically been in a perpetual state of civil war since the fall of Gaddafi. The situation is stable enough that they can have some international relationships, but not very much. They’re one of the destinations of migrants from other African countries, who intend to cross the sea to Italy. However most of them are not allowed to cross it and thus fill the country.
I can’t say much more regarding day to day life, as I have never been there.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/libya
unimaginable suffering
I mean, I know he was shitty but really? Because my imagination for suffering has increased quite a bit over the past year.
What the fuck?
They seem content to inform the rest of the world that they like to gurgle the combined balls of the group of narcissistic idiots who currently are speedrunning the 4th Reich from the white house.
If they are this brazen with it we’re probably about to go into what seriously could be a modern recreation of the dark ages.
What would you do? With russia being an active threat, with Ukraine desperately needing supplies, with the EU replacing russian gas with US gas, etc., etc., what would you do in this situation, while knowing that the guy who ordered the attack is a malignant narcissist with dementia?
I know I wouldn’t try to appease someone who clearly doesn’t give a fuck either way. Someone needs to tell him to fuck off for a change, I bet he’d be confused for a solid 24 hours afterwards.
Granted, I live right next door to Russia, and as such have less to fear from the US than most.
Someone needs to tell him to fuck off for a change, I bet he’d be confused for a solid 24 hours afterwards
That doesn’t work on malignant narcissists.
Check out this video interview (and here is a short with “the gist of it”) with a psychologist who explains what malignant narcissism means in the context of Trump.
Not in the long run. It’d be interesting to see how he’d react in the moment.
He’s a malignant narcissist for sure, but he’s also in severe mental decline at this point. He’s also not used to getting bullied, although there’s some of that from his childhood buried down there as well.
He might not react like you’d think due to those two factors alone.
The fact that he has dementia works as a disadvantage for the sane world.
People with dementia often react with anger and violence when they get confused. So, it’s not “his malignant narcissism being restrained by his dementia”, it’s “his malignant narcissism is being boosted by his dementia”.
He knows as well as anybody that the US’ military power is unprecedented and unstoppable. There’s literally nothing the EU could do if the US decides to take Greenland by force, so the only hope we have is to placate him until midterms, and pray to all the gods that the Democrats win a sweeping victory.
Never said he’d be restrained, especially after he’s done processing to whatever degree he’s able to. Anyway, it was a thought experiment, nobody is going to tell him to fuck off until it’s too late. Everyone will be too busy “placating” him.
I wonder how your scenario plays out if they decide you don’t really need midterms, or more presidents for that matter? Just a dictator, and when that old fuck dies who do you think will take over? The couchfucker? Not likely, he’s even more of an idiot.
It’s likely that a strong EU or whatever is left of NATO after ya’ll fuck off is the only hope for a chance in hell for some kind of peace somewhere on the globe for a little while more.
If population suffering, brutality, corruption are the reasons, every other country in the world has the justification to take out Trump.
Same post when Greenland’s taken presumably?
Seems like it’s always the same. Dictators push borders and take over lands -> “Oh that’s illegal and very bad, but they’ll be satisfied with that and stop there” -> dictators take over another country -> “Oh that’s illegal and very bad, but they’ll stop there” -> rinse and repeat until it’s close enough to your country. “Who could have seen this coming?!”
Can’t wait for the Chicago agreement where France and Germany let the US annex Greenland but America has to super pinky promise not to annex the rest of Denmark
And in the same breath Denmark buys 300 F-47s
How many examples outside of WWII are there in which such a mechanism started a war?
I think there are many examples, from the top of my head, I’d say Macedonian Expansion under Philip II, Napoleonic Wars, Second Punic War, Great Turkish War , Second Boer War, Caucasian War, Franco-Prussian War, Gulf War
Ukraine?
Debatable: while countries did enter NATO that is not the same as getting acquired by a dictator. The resources of such countries were not taken by the “occupying” forces.
As an exercise I’ll take this as a valid case. That still makes them only 2 examples throughout human history, does that count as a common way in which wars start?
Both sides are currently stealing Ukraine’s resources though? Do you not remember Trump demanding mineral rights or Ukraine selling off ports, schools, and SoEs for pennies under Biden? I dont think I need to point to examples of Russian theft.
Does it count if just a new head of state is installed that hands over the resources of the country to the companies of the dictator?
It counts under the first point in the list above. However, it sounds to me like you’re referring to current events; how would that address my question? My question is regarding historical examples to treat such mechanics as an established and common way in which wars appear.
I don’t remember too many wars starting that way, but I may be very wrong.
Yeah, how dare he not declare war on a nuclear superpower over a Venezuelan dictator!
I think Putin already showed how little the world is willing to go to war to defend the weak.
That’s a strawman and you know it.
Even just saying they condemn the kidnapping would have been enough.
That’s just the international equivalent of “thoughts and prayers”
What they need to do is put out an arrest warrant for Trump in the Hague where he should get a fair trial and a chance to defend himself on the legality of the invasion. If he fails, Europe should collectively embargo the US.
Let there be some real world consequences for once, not just a condemnation
Nobody is able to embargo the US. Not Europe, not China, not Europe and China combined. It would be catastrophic, we simply don’t have the domestic capacity. Tech, certain medications, military hardware, spare parts, etc.
Sure, we could get a passable replacement for everything in 5 years or so, but until then it would literally cost lives.
None are able to embargo the big ones like China, the EU or even India.
BTW this is how you know Russia is not one of the big ones.
“It’s complex”
translation: “It’s very simple, it was illegal. But I won’t ever say it. That’s my job, you see.”
Isn’t the legal classification is complex some diplomatic version of you fucked up, but we’re ready to believe your lawyer?
Adding an acceptability benchmark to it, feel like preety critical considering the strong tie between US and Germany.
You’re not wrong but pushing the intended conclusion anyway (regime change) is pretty egregious imo
