But when you suggest things they can do (it starts with s and rhymes with trike) all you get are excuses. I’m personally done letting Americans off the hook.
How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.
Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.
How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?
Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?
Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.
So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.
It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.
I agree, but the ability to strike in America was purposefully neutered. The only real way to strike effectively would be, at best, extra-legal, if not outright illegal. It’s not like most of the civilized world. The “leader of the free world” has made it very hard for the citizens to freely stand against it.
The only reason anybody ever had the right to legally strike was due to illegally striking. You’re not worse off than early 20th century trade unionists who literally fought private militias and the military. However, this is what ICE is going to be used for at this rate so y’all don’t have much time.
Except that the US government and corporations have spent the years since convincing the people that there’s a right way to protest, and that it’s by holding signs on a street corner - preferably out of view. This is why MLK was seen as a violent thug during the Civil Rights Movement and is seen as a hero today. Their struggle has been whitewashed to remove what actually happened and turned into an example of changing things the “right way” - by gently asking your oppressors to stop oppressing you. The US is one of the most propagandized populations on the planet. Our children pledge their undying loyalty every morning to the flag that hangs in every classroom. The only other countries on Earth to have done that are North Korea and the Hitler’s Youth program in Nazi Germany.
They’ve also gutted any form of support network for the same reason. The US populace is staunchly anti-union because companies have convinced us that worker’s rights are bad. They’ve made everybody dependent on keeping their job to keep food on the table and a roof over their head, of course, but also to see a doctor if you have a fever. And God forbid it’s anything worse than that. It’s bread and circuses with a dash of the Sword of Damocles.
So not only do we have to convince people to risk their lives to fight a fascist regime and their police force that is armed as well as many countries military, we have to convince the pearl clutchers that snarky taglines on signs aren’t going to solve things, and reconstruct support networks that haven’t existed for over half a century, and prevent the 45% of the population who support the fascists from voluntarily drafting themselves to root out any resistance, if not start shooting them in the streets. The FBI spends half their time putting down white supremacist militias. All they’d have to do is stop doing that and let the Trump regime do the rest by tweeting from the toilet at 3am. Those most likely to take up arms against the system are the same people who support the current system.
The average person isn’t brave enough to risk their life. If they were, we’d see Canadians coming down to burn down the White House again. We’d see Mexicans crossing the southern border. We’d see aid networks forming from other countries to provide support for anybody willing to resist. But we don’t and we won’t. And I don’t mean that in a “other countries should solve American problems” way, but that people in other countries are just as likely to say, “Not my fight, not my problem. Somebody else should deal with it” as Americans are. It’s human nature. If it wasn’t, we’d see more people taking out healthcare CEOs. More people would’ve supported the IRA. We’d have far more examples instead of Blair Mountain and the Haymarket Affair.
It’s easy for the armchair generals of the world to say that Americans should just arm themselves and go to war against the largest military on the planet when it isn’t their necks on the line.
Thank you. Really tired of the whole ‘do something’ when the very system, propaganda machine, and half the population is conditioned to fight their neighbors because of lies about who those neighbors are or what those neighbors believe. We have a population that will attempt a coup over a lie no one can prove with evidence, but support the side lying to them about it all when they’re told to look the other way about this regimes many crimes.
The armchair warriors around the world are tired of the inaction from Americans? Try living here and needing to fight against the fascism while half the country tries to stop you to own the libs. It’s fucking exhausting. I’ve lost friends and family to their bullshit excuses of essentially if they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We’re fucking pissed, too, but short of calling, writing, voting, protesting, and trying to engage and help our communities, what should we do?
It needs to happen regardless, but no, we are worse off than they were. There are a lot more ways to track people, which is one major negative. Back then there weren’t a system designed to prevent and punish striking. Now there is. If it ends up happening at the scale that’s needed to make a difference then there will be fights against private militias and the government again.
Back then there weren’t a system designed to prevent and punish striking.
There was, we call it Pinkerton, among others. At least now you can organize out in the open.
then there will be fights against private militias and the government again.
There’s no nonviolent class conflict (which is what this needs to be), but the magnitude of the violence will increase exponentially with time as the fascists consolidate power.
There was, we call it Pinkerton, among others. At least now you can organize out in the open.
No, you can’t. The US is so anti-union that there is a real risk of you getting reported to your boss for mentioning unionizing to your coworkers. They can’t openly fire you for trying to unionize, but most of the US is “at will employment,” which means that they can fire you at any time and don’t need to say why.
I won’t pretend to know your circumstances, but usually overthrowing dictators requires you to break the law. The work to make that possible starts now.
But when you suggest things they can do (it starts with s and rhymes with trike) all you get are excuses. I’m personally done letting Americans off the hook.
How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.
Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.
How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?
Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?
Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.
So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.
It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.
To add to that yeah, there’s a lot of guns in this country. In a lot of people’s hands. Including those OKAY with all this.
And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.
But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…
There was an antifa member who was killed by US Marshals under Trump’s first term. He wasn’t allowed to surrender, he was killed on the spot.
I agree, but the ability to strike in America was purposefully neutered. The only real way to strike effectively would be, at best, extra-legal, if not outright illegal. It’s not like most of the civilized world. The “leader of the free world” has made it very hard for the citizens to freely stand against it.
The only reason anybody ever had the right to legally strike was due to illegally striking. You’re not worse off than early 20th century trade unionists who literally fought private militias and the military. However, this is what ICE is going to be used for at this rate so y’all don’t have much time.
Except that the US government and corporations have spent the years since convincing the people that there’s a right way to protest, and that it’s by holding signs on a street corner - preferably out of view. This is why MLK was seen as a violent thug during the Civil Rights Movement and is seen as a hero today. Their struggle has been whitewashed to remove what actually happened and turned into an example of changing things the “right way” - by gently asking your oppressors to stop oppressing you. The US is one of the most propagandized populations on the planet. Our children pledge their undying loyalty every morning to the flag that hangs in every classroom. The only other countries on Earth to have done that are North Korea and the Hitler’s Youth program in Nazi Germany.
They’ve also gutted any form of support network for the same reason. The US populace is staunchly anti-union because companies have convinced us that worker’s rights are bad. They’ve made everybody dependent on keeping their job to keep food on the table and a roof over their head, of course, but also to see a doctor if you have a fever. And God forbid it’s anything worse than that. It’s bread and circuses with a dash of the Sword of Damocles.
So not only do we have to convince people to risk their lives to fight a fascist regime and their police force that is armed as well as many countries military, we have to convince the pearl clutchers that snarky taglines on signs aren’t going to solve things, and reconstruct support networks that haven’t existed for over half a century, and prevent the 45% of the population who support the fascists from voluntarily drafting themselves to root out any resistance, if not start shooting them in the streets. The FBI spends half their time putting down white supremacist militias. All they’d have to do is stop doing that and let the Trump regime do the rest by tweeting from the toilet at 3am. Those most likely to take up arms against the system are the same people who support the current system.
The average person isn’t brave enough to risk their life. If they were, we’d see Canadians coming down to burn down the White House again. We’d see Mexicans crossing the southern border. We’d see aid networks forming from other countries to provide support for anybody willing to resist. But we don’t and we won’t. And I don’t mean that in a “other countries should solve American problems” way, but that people in other countries are just as likely to say, “Not my fight, not my problem. Somebody else should deal with it” as Americans are. It’s human nature. If it wasn’t, we’d see more people taking out healthcare CEOs. More people would’ve supported the IRA. We’d have far more examples instead of Blair Mountain and the Haymarket Affair.
It’s easy for the armchair generals of the world to say that Americans should just arm themselves and go to war against the largest military on the planet when it isn’t their necks on the line.
Thank you. Really tired of the whole ‘do something’ when the very system, propaganda machine, and half the population is conditioned to fight their neighbors because of lies about who those neighbors are or what those neighbors believe. We have a population that will attempt a coup over a lie no one can prove with evidence, but support the side lying to them about it all when they’re told to look the other way about this regimes many crimes.
The armchair warriors around the world are tired of the inaction from Americans? Try living here and needing to fight against the fascism while half the country tries to stop you to own the libs. It’s fucking exhausting. I’ve lost friends and family to their bullshit excuses of essentially if they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We’re fucking pissed, too, but short of calling, writing, voting, protesting, and trying to engage and help our communities, what should we do?
It needs to happen regardless, but no, we are worse off than they were. There are a lot more ways to track people, which is one major negative. Back then there weren’t a system designed to prevent and punish striking. Now there is. If it ends up happening at the scale that’s needed to make a difference then there will be fights against private militias and the government again.
Fair enough.
There was, we call it Pinkerton, among others. At least now you can organize out in the open.
There’s no nonviolent class conflict (which is what this needs to be), but the magnitude of the violence will increase exponentially with time as the fascists consolidate power.
No, you can’t. The US is so anti-union that there is a real risk of you getting reported to your boss for mentioning unionizing to your coworkers. They can’t openly fire you for trying to unionize, but most of the US is “at will employment,” which means that they can fire you at any time and don’t need to say why.
This is a real sign
Check out this article: Trump is the biggest union-buster in U.S. history
I and everyone I know is one missed paycheck away from homelessness.
I won’t pretend to know your circumstances, but usually overthrowing dictators requires you to break the law. The work to make that possible starts now.
Fucking shoot me then
Mrdown
Lmao.