On the other hand, men on average live shorter, and we just go “well it’s just risky behavior and physical labor I guess 🤷♂️” and they’re aren’t any task forces for that either, truth is we as a society don’t care enough about these issues regardless of sex
Obviously those affect both men and women, but men are represented higher in both causes. Heart disease and cancer absolutely have large research groups focused on them, they aren’t being ignored by society at large.
I’m on the fence with your comment. Society viewing men as disposable is definitely a thing, and we do end up doing more hazardous and physically demanding work on the whole. The risks are real. Some of our mortality is hardwired, with men more prone to taking risks, which also drags the average.
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.
I’m hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it’s close to bringing the whole ‘men too’ crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.
How is this different in the context of healthcare for women?
I’m hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it’s close to bringing the whole ‘men too’ crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
This is irrelevant. The point is either valid or it isn’t. Neither you nor the person you’re talking to are responsible for the reactions of third parties. Judge the point being made on its own merits.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
In an ideal world, maybe. But the health issues in question are relevant to a person’s sexual development (male vs. female) therefore it is functionally impossible to remove sex from the discussion.
It’s not really different in the contex of womens’ experiences in healthcare. What I’m alluding to here is that we all buy into this system (regardless of if we want to or not) rather than challenge it.
Irrelevant
Then their point is valid, I’m just disinclined to champion it because of shitty third party actors. I will acknowledge it’s validity though.
Ideal world
I’m not trying to remove sex from this particular issue but highlight that this issue is a smaller part of a systemic problem
A lot of it is self-inflicted. Largely do to machismo culture, men tend to avoid the doctor. Women are less likely to be pig-headed about going to the doc.
“Self-inflicted” but when women suffer from e.g. ridiculous beauty standards, then it is a societal issue.
Machismo culture is not “self-inflicted” because
Men are not a “self”. Even if my father would have raised me like that, I am not my father, so consequently it wouldn’t be self-inflicted.
Society is promoting and pushing machismo culture to men. Men are not the only one promoting it. Women promote machismo culture too. I can tell you that from my own personal experience and frankly, personally, I felt greater pressure from women in my life than from men to be “toxic-masucline”.
And obviously, it is wrong that women suffer from societal pressure too and they have my full support. This is not about demonising women, it is about calling out the narrative that societal pressure on men is “self-inflicted” and societal pressure on women is “caused by men”. We all do it and we all need to stop. Support each other. Raise your children to be supportive of self expression. Sexism is bad.
On the other hand, men on average live shorter, and we just go “well it’s just risky behavior and physical labor I guess 🤷♂️” and they’re aren’t any task forces for that either, truth is we as a society don’t care enough about these issues regardless of sex
This is kind of incorrect. The leading cause of death (in the US) is heart disease, followed by cancer:
https://www.voronoiapp.com/healthcare/What-are-the-leading-causes-of-death-for-men-and-women-4775
Obviously those affect both men and women, but men are represented higher in both causes. Heart disease and cancer absolutely have large research groups focused on them, they aren’t being ignored by society at large.
Cancer is a really broad cause of death. The cancer that has arguably the best funded research is breast cancer, which mostly affects women.
I’m on the fence with your comment. Society viewing men as disposable is definitely a thing, and we do end up doing more hazardous and physically demanding work on the whole. The risks are real. Some of our mortality is hardwired, with men more prone to taking risks, which also drags the average.
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.
I’m hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it’s close to bringing the whole ‘men too’ crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
But aren’t you doing the first, rather than the second with your post?
This is what I tried to hint at.
No it’s exactly what you said. Not sure why OP is on the fence.
How is this different in the context of healthcare for women?
This is irrelevant. The point is either valid or it isn’t. Neither you nor the person you’re talking to are responsible for the reactions of third parties. Judge the point being made on its own merits.
In an ideal world, maybe. But the health issues in question are relevant to a person’s sexual development (male vs. female) therefore it is functionally impossible to remove sex from the discussion.
It’s not really different in the contex of womens’ experiences in healthcare. What I’m alluding to here is that we all buy into this system (regardless of if we want to or not) rather than challenge it.
Then their point is valid, I’m just disinclined to champion it because of shitty third party actors. I will acknowledge it’s validity though.
I’m not trying to remove sex from this particular issue but highlight that this issue is a smaller part of a systemic problem
The world isn’t a logic table.
A lot of it is self-inflicted. Largely do to machismo culture, men tend to avoid the doctor. Women are less likely to be pig-headed about going to the doc.
Women: goes to doctor, doesn’t get good help because doctors suck, bad outcome.
Men: doesn’t go to doctor in the first place because doctors suck, bad outcome.
#healthcare
“Self-inflicted” but when women suffer from e.g. ridiculous beauty standards, then it is a societal issue.
Machismo culture is not “self-inflicted” because
And obviously, it is wrong that women suffer from societal pressure too and they have my full support. This is not about demonising women, it is about calling out the narrative that societal pressure on men is “self-inflicted” and societal pressure on women is “caused by men”. We all do it and we all need to stop. Support each other. Raise your children to be supportive of self expression. Sexism is bad.