I think the general idea is that you shouldn’t mess with conservation land. The general public isn’t educated enough to know what is invasive and what isn’t, so the rules say don’t disturb stuff. But if someone who was educated was in the park removing invasive species, they are almost certainly “breaking the rules”, but doing a net positive thing.
Some of it, at least with plants, is that the invasive species has taken over a niche of the native species. So in removing it, you alter the balance of the ecosystem. Native birds in an area may be at more risk than a native bush due to a loss in habitat, so it’s better to leave an invasive bush if it provides that need for the bird
ls “conservation land” something special, then?
English Wikipedia seems not to know it, and dictionary translated it to “Landschaftsschutzgebiet” in my language, which is like the most unprotective “protection” category there is.
Basically you could even build a huge tourist ressort or industrial complex in one of those if you know what you are doing…
Conservation land is a protected wild area. Sometimes it’s what we refer to as “the woods,” and not properly marked from a local standpoint.
In my region, there are many county and state (vs federal in US) parks, with recreational areas and rules about how to interact with the wildlife. Greatparks.org.
There are also smaller conversation areas. I know of a little bog about the size of a football field with a little sign saying it is maintained by the local college.
Conservation land, in my area, is just land designated to not be developed. It might be privately owned and designated "conservation land* for tax benefits, or owned by the town, or what have you. Sometimes housing developers will designate part of their land plot as “conservation” for some benefit from the town (like taxes or zoning easement).
But in that case, pretending to be a blind prirate makes even less sense!
From the National Park Service website:
Report invasive species. Locating invasive species just as they are beginning to invade an area and treating new infestations quickly is a management approach called Early Detection Rapid Response (EDRR). In a national park, let a ranger know when you spot invasive species. They will want to know the location (GPS coordinates if possible), the name of the invasive species, when you saw it, and photos of the species.
Because they are doing something helpful and good, but not something legal. Seeing them would mean you have a legal obligation to say something, while not seeing them leaves you obligation-free.
It could mean anything from private land with an easement to prohibit building on it to a National Park, depending on context and jurisdiction. It’s just a non-specific term for “land that is conserved in some way.”
I mean, it’s sufficiently descriptive to imply that randos shouldn’t (ordinarily) be messing with the plants on it. As a native English speaker, it makes sense just fine.
randos shouldn’t (ordinarily) be messing with the plants
But the meme doesn’t talk about randos.
It specifically mentions the meme creator seeing someone “cleaning invasives”, implying that all people involved have some level of competence and know what’s going and that there isn’t any reason to pretend to be a blind pirate.
The nomenclature is really messy across countries and even sub-country entities. The Portuguese language Wikipedia even highlights the mess:
Nomenclature diversity across countries. // Some surveys estimate protected areas in different countries and regions are called by at least a hundred names, and not uncommonly countries have their own categories of protected spaces, roughly similar to the protected space concept defined by the IUCN.
From that I guess the restrictions associated with those spaces also change, and in some you aren’t supposed to remove local fauna and/or flora, creating situations like in the meme (removing invasive species is against the letter of the rule, but within the spirit).
I did, even did some additional research trying to clear up ambiguous terms (what’s a “conversation area”?) and looked up rules in another country (US) that was referenced by a less confused person.
Meme still doesn’t make sense.
Should even be the complete opposite.
If you recognize it, report invasive species!
If there are hidden context clues I missed, please point them out to me, so that I will learn why I am the moron and not some of the others here that post stuff that just don’t make sense given the facts.
Usually, on land that is intended to be preserved, they don’t want random people hacking away at vegetation, so they will have rules about it. If a park ranger or someone like that sees you cutting down trees or whatever, you are probably going to get yelled at or fined or something.
It’s also highly dependent on species and location. Some invasive species will basically multiply if you try to tear them out, either resprouting vegetatively, or through seed spread. Species like tree-of-heaven or paulonia also become huge trees, so they probably don’t want you cutting those down.
Some places like Oahu are basically 95% invasive species, so if you remove that, you have nothing left. Oahu is basically all guava and mesquite trees, and without that, the soil washes away, and there’s no hope of recovery, so invasive management needs to be done in consultation with experts.
Its okay that you don’t understand something buddy you can stop pretending and doubling down. I thought germans were smarter than us Americans, learn something new every day!
OK…
But would it be a problem if I did?
Or are there areas to protect invasive species? I don’t think that’s a thing?
So, still don’t get it.
I think the general idea is that you shouldn’t mess with conservation land. The general public isn’t educated enough to know what is invasive and what isn’t, so the rules say don’t disturb stuff. But if someone who was educated was in the park removing invasive species, they are almost certainly “breaking the rules”, but doing a net positive thing.
So if you see it…you didn’t.
Some of it, at least with plants, is that the invasive species has taken over a niche of the native species. So in removing it, you alter the balance of the ecosystem. Native birds in an area may be at more risk than a native bush due to a loss in habitat, so it’s better to leave an invasive bush if it provides that need for the bird
ls “conservation land” something special, then?
English Wikipedia seems not to know it, and dictionary translated it to “Landschaftsschutzgebiet” in my language, which is like the most unprotective “protection” category there is.
Basically you could even build a huge tourist ressort or industrial complex in one of those if you know what you are doing…
Guess it’s lost in translation.
Conservation land is a protected wild area. Sometimes it’s what we refer to as “the woods,” and not properly marked from a local standpoint.
In my region, there are many county and state (vs federal in US) parks, with recreational areas and rules about how to interact with the wildlife. Greatparks.org.
There are also private nature preserves, and those appear to us as hiking trails. https://www.cardinallandconservancy.org/ is an example.
There are also smaller conversation areas. I know of a little bog about the size of a football field with a little sign saying it is maintained by the local college.
Conservation land, in my area, is just land designated to not be developed. It might be privately owned and designated "conservation land* for tax benefits, or owned by the town, or what have you. Sometimes housing developers will designate part of their land plot as “conservation” for some benefit from the town (like taxes or zoning easement).
I’m from the states and I took this as “national park” (or perhaps state) land. It’s land intended for ecological conservation.
But in that case, pretending to be a blind prirate makes even less sense!
From the National Park Service website:
So thoroughly note it and report that stuff!
Well yes, those are the rules. But if I see someone ripping out invasives themselves…
I didn’t see it.
Why?
Because they are doing something helpful and good, but not something legal. Seeing them would mean you have a legal obligation to say something, while not seeing them leaves you obligation-free.
If you see unsanctioned people ripping up conservation areas, it’s likely illegal and at least a bit taboo.
It could mean anything from private land with an easement to prohibit building on it to a National Park, depending on context and jurisdiction. It’s just a non-specific term for “land that is conserved in some way.”
Yeah, I guessed that much myself by now.
So there is no deeper meaning but the meme is just crappily ill-defined and because of this actually doesn’t make sense.
I mean, it’s sufficiently descriptive to imply that randos shouldn’t (ordinarily) be messing with the plants on it. As a native English speaker, it makes sense just fine.
But the meme doesn’t talk about randos.
It specifically mentions the meme creator seeing someone “cleaning invasives”, implying that all people involved have some level of competence and know what’s going and that there isn’t any reason to pretend to be a blind pirate.
That’s what makes them the exception that shouldn’t be reported.
The nomenclature is really messy across countries and even sub-country entities. The Portuguese language Wikipedia even highlights the mess:
From that I guess the restrictions associated with those spaces also change, and in some you aren’t supposed to remove local fauna and/or flora, creating situations like in the meme (removing invasive species is against the letter of the rule, but within the spirit).
Try using context clues for a brief second
I did, even did some additional research trying to clear up ambiguous terms (what’s a “conversation area”?) and looked up rules in another country (US) that was referenced by a less confused person.
Meme still doesn’t make sense.
Should even be the complete opposite.
If you recognize it, report invasive species!
If there are hidden context clues I missed, please point them out to me, so that I will learn why I am the moron and not some of the others here that post stuff that just don’t make sense given the facts.
Is the original post perhaps satire of some kind?
Are you satire of some kind?
I am assuming “conservation areas” in this sense means native/indigenous lands
edit: Whoops I am wrong. Ecological conservation then. I thought invasive species were bad for those?
You are probably confusing it with “reservation”.
idk I was just guessing. I don’t see how the joke with ecological conservation (since getting rid of invasive species is good, right?)
Usually, on land that is intended to be preserved, they don’t want random people hacking away at vegetation, so they will have rules about it. If a park ranger or someone like that sees you cutting down trees or whatever, you are probably going to get yelled at or fined or something.
It’s also highly dependent on species and location. Some invasive species will basically multiply if you try to tear them out, either resprouting vegetatively, or through seed spread. Species like tree-of-heaven or paulonia also become huge trees, so they probably don’t want you cutting those down.
Some places like Oahu are basically 95% invasive species, so if you remove that, you have nothing left. Oahu is basically all guava and mesquite trees, and without that, the soil washes away, and there’s no hope of recovery, so invasive management needs to be done in consultation with experts.
Same here.
Meme is imho somewhat crappy and certainly to un-scientific to be under “science memes”.
Its okay that you don’t understand something buddy you can stop pretending and doubling down. I thought germans were smarter than us Americans, learn something new every day!
lol no