Turns out people are willing to forgoe large parts of their earning potential for heavily reduced risk of income fluctuation.
I would like to see a world where people shitting on employers all the time realize that they could just quit that arrangement. Its right in the contract.
Self employment is an option you know? And since the employer is clearly not contributing anything to that arrangement, you can obviously easily do it yourself.
Being a business owner and employing people and ensuring their families are regularly fed is fucking hard at times. Feels especially hard when somebody shits on you for wanting to feed your own kids too… Could just be employee myself you know?
Yeah, because they can just choose to forego unnecessary luxuries such as checks notes everything that costs money, which is checks notes everything needed to survive 🙄
Its right in the contract.
In some cases, even THAT’S not strictly true: a lot of contracts (employment or otherwise) include clauses heavily penalizing early termination by the employee and/or noncompete clauses basically forcing them to stay, start a career in an entirely different field, or go without income for a significant amount of time.
Self employment is an option you know?
If you’re rich enough and have the necessary skills, which can be extremely expensive in several ways.
Most new businesses operate at a loss for the first several years.
If you can’t afford personally covering those deficit or have good enough connections with rich people willing to cover them in exchange for your soul and your first born child a share of future profits and control over the direction of the company, self-employment is an express route to personal bankruptcy.
you can obviously easily do it yourself
No. You don’t get to be smugly sarcastic and either colossally ignorant or willfully lying about everything. Bad bootlicker! Bad!
Being a business owner and employing people and ensuring their families are regularly fed is fucking hard at times
Which is one of the reasons why employment ISN’T actually voluntary in the case of the vast majority of people.
Feels especially hard when somebody shits on you for wanting to feed your own kids too
Fun fact: you can feed your kids without blatantly exploiting the labor of others to do so.
You can also argue your point without a plethora of strawmen, oversimplifications, and outright lies. Ok, maybe YOU specifically can’t, but most people have that ability.
Well I can just say I started a business while being a broke student and without a penny to my name. Just find the first customer and start working. The money is shit but it fed my baby and wife and a small apartment. Kept working my ass off several years and started employing some of my fellow students. You argue you have to have money to make money, but according to you all those people earn so much more money. Nobody talks about all these years invested into getting up that point. I’m nearly forty and can now slowly start saving some money while most of my peers are paying off their first home while living in it. My employees are payed well and like working for me. I don’t think calling that exploitation would be in any way correct. I feel the hate, and I understand not everybody has marketable skills but I was basically a Linux and coding nerd without a degree with a baby and wife and no family to help. Its hard and I had the opportunity and I feel most business owner got their start like that. There are obviously people with rich parents yada yada and obviously not every business works with zero capital startup money but that’s just how it is.
I’ll translate: “I got lucky doing the exact same thing everyone does that is working hard and making money in the ways that were available to me but I assume I have what I have because I worked hard and the rest did not, not even the people I work with. I managed to find financial stability that in time allowed me to collaborate with others to grow something that we ended up building together but I own, and although they work “with” me I tell myself they work “for” me because I did it, I, it is mine and thanks to myself, and everything capitalism has allowed me to achieve is thanks to my own. I understand there are people that do not need to struggle like I did but since there is no reason for any of this to be then I tell myself “that’s just how it is” I found food, why aren’t others happy?”
You say people are willing to give a large portion of their produced value for “heavily reduced risk of income fluctuation”? Like that’s what the exchange is. Like if the company does bad and bankrupts they’ll still have their job and earnings. Tell them everyone at the business will earn a fluctuating amount of the wealth the company makes equally distributed and if the company does bad it will lower, but you’re all in it together. xd
I think there is probably a difference here between small companies where there is one owner that knows all their employees and corparations with thousands of employees and anonymous shareholders.
Depends on what the owner contributes to the business and how the profits are distributed. Small business tyrants exist and aren’t any better than the big business ones.
You will get downvoted by people ranting about means of production, still thinking it’s 1875 and most people work in mines, factories and smelting plants.
Being a business owner is open to everyone, but posting memes is easier. I went freelance for just over a year, and it’s not for me, went right back to being “exploited”. If not spending my evenings with tax advisors and accountants is being a sheep, baaaaahhhhhh.
Turns out people are willing to forgoe large parts of their earning potential for heavily reduced risk of income fluctuation.
I would like to see a world where people shitting on employers all the time realize that they could just quit that arrangement. Its right in the contract.
Self employment is an option you know? And since the employer is clearly not contributing anything to that arrangement, you can obviously easily do it yourself.
Being a business owner and employing people and ensuring their families are regularly fed is fucking hard at times. Feels especially hard when somebody shits on you for wanting to feed your own kids too… Could just be employee myself you know?
Yeah, because they can just choose to forego unnecessary luxuries such as checks notes everything that costs money, which is checks notes everything needed to survive 🙄
In some cases, even THAT’S not strictly true: a lot of contracts (employment or otherwise) include clauses heavily penalizing early termination by the employee and/or noncompete clauses basically forcing them to stay, start a career in an entirely different field, or go without income for a significant amount of time.
If you’re rich enough and have the necessary skills, which can be extremely expensive in several ways.
Most new businesses operate at a loss for the first several years.
If you can’t afford personally covering those deficit or have good enough connections with rich people willing to cover them in exchange for
your soul and your first born childa share of future profits and control over the direction of the company, self-employment is an express route to personal bankruptcy.No. You don’t get to be smugly sarcastic and either colossally ignorant or willfully lying about everything. Bad bootlicker! Bad!
Which is one of the reasons why employment ISN’T actually voluntary in the case of the vast majority of people.
Fun fact: you can feed your kids without blatantly exploiting the labor of others to do so.
You can also argue your point without a plethora of strawmen, oversimplifications, and outright lies. Ok, maybe YOU specifically can’t, but most people have that ability.
Well I can just say I started a business while being a broke student and without a penny to my name. Just find the first customer and start working. The money is shit but it fed my baby and wife and a small apartment. Kept working my ass off several years and started employing some of my fellow students. You argue you have to have money to make money, but according to you all those people earn so much more money. Nobody talks about all these years invested into getting up that point. I’m nearly forty and can now slowly start saving some money while most of my peers are paying off their first home while living in it. My employees are payed well and like working for me. I don’t think calling that exploitation would be in any way correct. I feel the hate, and I understand not everybody has marketable skills but I was basically a Linux and coding nerd without a degree with a baby and wife and no family to help. Its hard and I had the opportunity and I feel most business owner got their start like that. There are obviously people with rich parents yada yada and obviously not every business works with zero capital startup money but that’s just how it is.
I’ll translate: “I got lucky doing the exact same thing everyone does that is working hard and making money in the ways that were available to me but I assume I have what I have because I worked hard and the rest did not, not even the people I work with. I managed to find financial stability that in time allowed me to collaborate with others to grow something that we ended up building together but I own, and although they work “with” me I tell myself they work “for” me because I did it, I, it is mine and thanks to myself, and everything capitalism has allowed me to achieve is thanks to my own. I understand there are people that do not need to struggle like I did but since there is no reason for any of this to be then I tell myself “that’s just how it is” I found food, why aren’t others happy?”
You say people are willing to give a large portion of their produced value for “heavily reduced risk of income fluctuation”? Like that’s what the exchange is. Like if the company does bad and bankrupts they’ll still have their job and earnings. Tell them everyone at the business will earn a fluctuating amount of the wealth the company makes equally distributed and if the company does bad it will lower, but you’re all in it together. xd
Yes, like all the Uber, Delivero and other gig workers who are legally self employed.
Says the person hoarding the means of production
I think there is probably a difference here between small companies where there is one owner that knows all their employees and corparations with thousands of employees and anonymous shareholders.
Depends on what the owner contributes to the business and how the profits are distributed. Small business tyrants exist and aren’t any better than the big business ones.
Yeah those shares are owned by somebody and that’s usually consumers too… I’d wager most of them are good people too.
Given the objectively evil things shareholders force companies to do, I’d say the majority by percentage of ownership are not good people.
You will get downvoted by people ranting about means of production, still thinking it’s 1875 and most people work in mines, factories and smelting plants.
Being a business owner is open to everyone, but posting memes is easier. I went freelance for just over a year, and it’s not for me, went right back to being “exploited”. If not spending my evenings with tax advisors and accountants is being a sheep, baaaaahhhhhh.