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S17E3 “Mac and Dennis Become EMTs”
The tankies?
https://lemmy.world/post/29072279
Those who literally deny the existence of the massacre in the Tiananmen Square, claiming that “nobody was killed” (or far more rarely, unapologetically stating that if they were, then they deserved it). Basically far-left extremists that exist in a world of “alternative facts” just like conservatives, the common denominator being that and simping for authoritarian regimes.
Words like “consent” tend not to matter to those holding that ideology.
“Tankie” does not come from Tiananmen Square, that is a common misconception. The term “tankie” is 33 years older than the Tiananmen Square massacre.
It originated to describe people who supported the 1956 Soviet Union military intervention in Hungary. Stalin sent in a bunch of T-35 tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution. He was successful, and thousands of people died in the process.
Ever since then, “tankie” has been used as a derogatory term against Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, communists, and leftists in general.
To be fair, tanks seem to be a favored tool of these oppressive regimes. I’m personally not against communism, they have some good ideas like universal child care, guaranteed jobs, and housing (even though the latter may be considered sub-par by some). The problem comes when these fucking authoritarian cheerleaders come out and say communist governments were never oppressive.
Except you’d not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn’t pay people off.
In theory it might seem fine, but in reality it was just a dictatorship, and quite a brutal one too.
The “oppression” you’re referring to is confiscating the properties of bourgeois capitalists and landlords, and imprisoning them and their accomplices in case of resistance. This confiscation and appropriation by the state is what makes free, universal care and other social benefits possible. It’s absurd to expect the features of communism without the policies behind them.
Also, the idea that authoritarian socialist governments just have a sadistic tendency to oppress and torture poor peasants is deeply unserious and a work of imagination created by western capitalist propaganda.
The oppression they’re referring to is shooting at protestors wanting democratic reforms. The comment before that literally gives an example, the least you could do is look into it.
First of all, socialist governments, like any other government, did not use force on protestors unless provoked by seditious behavior (i.e. coup attempt or political unrest), and only in proportion, which was the case in Hungary and in China. Stories about tanks crushing the bodies of protestors is fictitious. Also, the history of the Soviet Union, the PRC and other socialist polities is filled with workers protests that were left unaltered because they are a natural part in the process of building socialism. Thus, the idea that freedom of expression was inexistent under socialism is false, which leads me to my second point.
The claim that the riots in socialist states called for “democratic” reforms is the furthest thing from the truth. In the case of Hungary, the 1956 uprising was orchestrated by the Prime Minister in order to establish a capitalist multi-party system and restore the property of the big landowners after they were purged in the preceding decade and their industries nationalized by the state. If you consider this to be “democracy” then you cannot consider yourself to be a leftist.
Ahh yes, the burgeois sailors of kronstadt.
Source.
Extremists like to use “alternative facts” or whatever other tactics achieve their goals. The means does not matter to them, only the ends, which they feel self-righteously justifies anything to achieve.
And then separately from that, gullible people also exist too. It is a bias that we all could fall prey to, though some of us seem more on guard against it than others.
(Tbf, many of those claiming those alternative facts are quite aware of just how nonfactual they actually are - they simply do not care as power, rather than correctness, is all that there is to them.)
Thats a really interesting bit of history, thank you for the additional context
Thank you.
I have so many questions. I guess I never viewed as “tankie” as left.
Hell, I consider myself far-left to the point of being a progressive, almost to the point of being an anarchist.
But my reality is rooted in actual facts.
Note that the term “tankie” has become an anti-communist trope to demonize any person who’s to the left of free universal healthcare.
Tankies only call themselves as leftists.
And some places, like Hexbear, aren’t genuinely anything at all except people seeking “the dunk” - the appearance of winning an argument regardless of the reality of it (which requires a rigidly controlled echo chamber).
Now that I mention it, there are some striking parallels to lemmy.ml’s echo chamber effect as well…
The “look what you made me do” philosophy of tankies only claims to be leftist or progressive, while in reality whatever Russia, China, or North Korea does (including genocide) is okay, while anything done by the Western world (including exist) is not.
“every position i have is true, you’re the brainwashed ones!” ~continues to exclusively read washington post and NYT~
I know you made that up and you have no idea of what you are talking about because you included Russia there.
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The comm of misfit posters used to have a lot of open ideation about purging “degenerates”, they’ve dialed it back a bit ever since I called them out about it.
You guys will call anyone tankie, even anarchists.
Every time I look at the modlog for someone there loudly complaining about ‘the tankie triad’ there’s almost always a ban (often a temp one) for either being a bigot, insulting people, or doing ‘both sides bad’ about the genocide of Palestinians.
Stop larping as a leftist, nobody believes your BS.
You are in the echochamber though, and you just make shit up pretty much every time I see you post.
The trick is to confidently make shit up. The tactic isn’t unique to Reddit, but it clearly was inherited from that culture.
Talk about tankies long and one always magically appears!
I’m an anarchist, you’ll call everyone you don’t like tankie
we need a better topological geometry for these concepts, especially for these wacky edgecase fuckers like tankies. yeah, far left, like, you stand here, I’m going to move to your left until I’ve come around on the other side of the planet far far far far away left.
imho the vast majority of them are ccp click patriots waiting for the taiwan invasion to kick off.
Hehe, somebody was way ahead of you there…
haha this is fascinating
It seems to work so well 😁