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S17E3 “Mac and Dennis Become EMTs”
“Tankie” does not come from Tiananmen Square, that is a common misconception. The term “tankie” is 33 years older than the Tiananmen Square massacre.
It originated to describe people who supported the 1956 Soviet Union military intervention in Hungary. Stalin sent in a bunch of T-35 tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution. He was successful, and thousands of people died in the process.
Ever since then, “tankie” has been used as a derogatory term against Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, communists, and leftists in general.
The term mostly had been invoked by anti-authoritarian leftists derisively toward anyone who still supported the Soviet Union. In time, the usage generalized to apply broadly to authoritarian leftists, such as Marxist-Lenininsts (or Stalinists).
Now is it largely misused by liberals to designate anyone strongly critical of Western imperialism, which includes everyone from anarchists to campists.
To be fair, tanks seem to be a favored tool of these oppressive regimes. I’m personally not against communism, they have some good ideas like universal child care, guaranteed jobs, and housing (even though the latter may be considered sub-par by some). The problem comes when these fucking authoritarian cheerleaders come out and say communist governments were never oppressive.
The “oppression” you’re referring to is confiscating the properties of bourgeois capitalists and landlords, and imprisoning them and their accomplices in case of resistance. This confiscation and appropriation by the state is what makes free, universal care and other social benefits possible. It’s absurd to expect the features of communism without the policies behind them.
Also, the idea that authoritarian socialist governments just have a sadistic tendency to oppress and torture poor peasants is deeply unserious and a work of imagination created by western capitalist propaganda.
Citations in an uncensored medium needed.
This seems like an instantiation of neocolonialism adlibs. Is your name Trump, Netanyahu, or Putin by any chance? The fact that you imply that these are in any way a requirement for universal care or social benefits gives your game away.
The oppression they’re referring to is shooting at protestors wanting democratic reforms. The comment before that literally gives an example, the least you could do is look into it.
First of all, socialist governments, like any other government, did not use force on protestors unless provoked by seditious behavior (i.e. coup attempt or political unrest), and only in proportion, which was the case in Hungary and in China. Stories about tanks crushing the bodies of protestors is fictitious. Also, the history of the Soviet Union, the PRC and other socialist polities is filled with workers protests that were left unaltered because they are a natural part in the process of building socialism. Thus, the idea that freedom of expression was inexistent under socialism is false, which leads me to my second point.
The claim that the riots in socialist states called for “democratic” reforms is the furthest thing from the truth. In the case of Hungary, the 1956 uprising was orchestrated by the Prime Minister in order to establish a capitalist multi-party system and restore the property of the big landowners after they were purged in the preceding decade and their industries nationalized by the state. If you consider this to be “democracy” then you cannot consider yourself to be a leftist.
Thousands were killed in the uprising.
The demands largely emphasized national sovereignty and labor conditions, not restoration of appropriated property to the bourgeoisie.
Justifying an invasion, an act of aggression over international borders, under the characterization of sedition is simply begging the question of the legitimacy of the established structure of governance.
By this point, Soviet governance was failing to produce improved conditions for workers, and much of the working class was disinterested in further personal sacrifice for a prolonged struggle against the capitalist core.
I just realized what your name references, gtfo genocide enabler red fash belongs in the same pit as the regular fascists
Lol, I randomly generate all of my usernames.
wow how random.
With your beliefs I highly doubt that, blocking you now fash
Uh huh right, source me reality then, enlighten us that live in The Cave
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good to know that you don’t think there was anything else that Nazi Germany did wrong. The extermination of millions of people was apparently a good decision in your eyes.
This is about what I expected from someone who posts on meanwhileongrad.
I am a user on this collective platform as much as you are. You may block me if my genuine contributions seem to irk you.
Ahh yes, the burgeois sailors of kronstadt.
Source.
Tankies never seem to get that that part is not being critized, but the subversive of the movement by authoritarians.
Except you’d not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn’t pay people off.
In theory it might seem fine, but in reality it was just a dictatorship, and quite a brutal one too.
eh docs and nurses are pretty fucking cool but don’t work for free. of course you’re going to pay people off, they need wages ffs
Communism = no currency. There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of knowledge regarding communism in here. A bit of an echo chamber. It’s funny how so many can hate something so much without actually knowing what it is they’re hating. Ha.
Extremists like to use “alternative facts” or whatever other tactics achieve their goals. The means does not matter to them, only the ends, which they feel self-righteously justifies anything to achieve.
And then separately from that, gullible people also exist too. It is a bias that we all could fall prey to, though some of us seem more on guard against it than others.
(Tbf, many of those claiming those alternative facts are quite aware of just how nonfactual they actually are - they simply do not care as power, rather than correctness, is all that there is to them.)
Thats a really interesting bit of history, thank you for the additional context
Their name references a genocide, I doubt in good faith
Krono? Or are you referring to someone else in this thread?
No, the one with Tatar in their name defending the USSR. The Crimean Tatars were one of the genocides carried out by that nation
Ohhh. I think you may have gotten confused about where you’re replying to. I hadn’t even seen them, as they weren’t in the direct chain of comments I was replying in. I was thanking Krono for explaining that tankie came from violence carried out in the Soviet Union long before the tianamen square massacre, and so the name predated that particular act of violence
Anyway, I hope you have a lovely day :)
Thank you.