PSA: Sharing that information was almost certainly a GDPR violation in the EU. It may also have been a criminal offense under German law (§126a StGB).
Please gtfo with those nasty facts. This is Lemmy.
That place came and went for me in a matter of days. It’s yet another shithole compromised by billionaires. There is a never ending supply of Americans who when contacted with $$$$$$$$$ offers, take them to sell out our Democracy.
THESE people should be the first to wear blindfolds when finding out their sentence.
BlueSky users?
Devil’s advocate:
You can either protect everyone’s privacy, or you can protect no one’s.
Doxxing is a privacy issue. It’s not “okay if it’s someone you don’t like”. I’m sure if the tables were reversed and people on the right had doxxed a bunch of left-leaning people, the left would be up-in-arms about it, demanding that it be removed and for the people who posted it to be suspended. But because they’re far-right, it’s suddenly okay?
I hate the far-right, don’t get me wrong. But get off the high-horse. Companies can either protect everyone from doxxing, or they can protect no one from doxxing. There’s no in-between just because the people being doxxed are people you find repugnant.
The problem playing devil’s advocate is you’re defending the devil. Running to the all or nothing edge is simply an attempt to end the discussion. “If Nazis can’t have privacy, nobody can.” There is an in-between, and conveniently it’s called moderation.
Are we equally of the opinion that hate speech should not be moderated? Are threats without action to be defended unilaterally? It’s not important what the answers are, it’s that there is a world in between absolutist ideals. There are alternatives. We can discuss them.
Companies are also capable of navigating this space, and should be responsible for doing so if they are entitled to their platform. The idea that their hands are tied to all or nothing is ignorant if not apologist. If the best you can do with 10’s of millions of dollars is helplessness, perhaps you deserve all the criticism. The devil needs better attorneys.
Moderation and discussion are 100% the way to go. For companies to decide who they can and cant dox though seems hard. We all have something about us that others don’t agree with and someone could justify you being doxed. Nazis went through the Nuremberg trials to decide their levels of Nazism and there aren’t many that agree with the results. I’m not saying it’s right to protect Nazi’s (most deserve a punch in the fafe) but when anyone can label anyone else as a nazi, policing this is difficult.
I strongly doubt they were banned for posting a police report.
stop using their happy little fascist platform
I knew bluesky was absolutely fucked when I check it once and it was literally giving billionaires screen time over regular users to simp for trump. X is full fash , bluesky is fash lite
Fuck bluesky.
Anyone using it over Mastodon to protest twitter is a moron.
Obay but can I use mastodon in a way that let’s me choke on corporate dick? Because choking on corporate dick is kind of my favorite thing. Whole reason inhere.
I thought Mastodon was dead tbh
like when you looked into it you didn’t find much you were interested in, or like the people you were interested in have left that way of interacting with the fediverse? between the threadiverse and the microblog portion of the fediverse, we are by far engaging with the less popular and populous way of interacting with the fediverse
I was in the bigger instances until 2023. it was a general purpose one. I also didn’t wanna get too overwhelmed with all of the servers
Back to LinkedIn with you!
There’s a really fucked up reason why I couldn’t make a linked in account if I wanted to.
elaborate
It really is.
I use both, more voices against shit like this is good. I just recently logged into both accounts to protest Barri Weiss and her Trump ball licking.
shouldn’t really surprise anyone. Didn’t their CEO like several months ago pretty much defend a known fascist/tranphob on the platform and essentially told people who complained about it to “not post” out of protest? Also Bluesky is extremely quick to bend to the whims of whatever government body makes demands. They were one of the first sites to quickly implement age verification in the UK I believe.
Also Bluesky is extremely quick to bend to the whims of whatever government body makes demands. They were one of the first sites to quickly implement age verification in the UK I believe.
LOL what did you expect them to do, exactly? They can either comply with the law or be fined to death. Those are their choices.
This is lemmy, the expectation is you are so out of touch with reality you think a US-hosted service won’t get fucked over in a heartbeat by the US government.
Bluesky is shit though, for real
Well, I expected them to capitulate while shuddering and moaning and begging for more, because that’s what they love, but I would expect a not-shit company to not lead the pack at the very least.
What difference does that make?
You’re right, there’s no harm to complying in advance. Let’s do it!
There literally isn’t.
complying in advance is incredibly dangerous
How so?
I’m gonna state a new law, it needs you to rip one of your nails off and send it for age verification so you better start ripping it off
Huh?
Lol imagine being such a fucken sycophant you post this garbage 😂
Cant help but notice that you didn’t answer the question.
“This garbage”? You mean stating literal facts of reality?
Bsky hates its users
ill never understand how jack fucking dorsey is regrifting the internet AGAIN with a centralized censorship engine.
fuck this dude entirely
I’m pretty sure he has nothing to do with bluesky. i think he’s into nostr now.
He founded Bluesky, but after helping Elon buy Twitter, he left.
Nothing might be going too far. He left the board since it wasn’t good PR for them but Bluesky is not transparent about its ownership and Dorsey could well still have a stake in it.
They have talked about some parts of it. They got funding from Twitter under his direction and got to keep the funds when Twitter bailed on their side of the contract as Musk bought it (the initial plan was to move Twitter to a new protocol)
It’s a public benefit corporation. Jack can’t legally do much at all after having left the board
yeah I’m aware… doesn’t really refute anything I said. If he holds a share then he can do what any investor can do and how much he can do depends on how big his share of the company is.
No, public benefit corporations specifically don’t work like that. They’re comparable to non profits in that manner
They’re not. In practice PBC status doesn’t really limit them very much at all and is nothing like nonprofit.
That really depends on the state and company bylaws. It’s not just a label.
The existing team (which jack isn’t on) owns it, and nobody from Twitter has influence over it
that might explain why nostr is filled with rypto bros and racists. nostr world is toxic
i largely guage the toxicity of platforms by how quickly you encounter a genocide denier. nostr holds the record in that i encountered one on there literally as soon as i finished onboarding. a record that can only be tied, not beaten
Crypto bro here and I agree wholeheartedly. Crypto shouldn’t be anyone’s whole personality. Social networking doesn’t need money baked into it - it just needs decentralized moderation, and we can donate out of band. Anyone who wants to improve society somewhat should be on the fediverse right now.
He doesn’t own or work at Bluesky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesky
He founded it, but he did indeed leave in 2024, i missed that bit of news
So… um… bring back Jack Dorsey?
Because for Americans when something went wrong it can never be a systemic issue by design. It was because all the fault of a person.
See also why they keep voting Democrat.(but this time fresh new blood will change it for real!)
What are you even on about?
You’ve never met an american?
I’m certain you haven’t.
I’m certain your mom hasn’t net an american! But maybe I responded to wrong comment in chain?
Nvm. I did not.
Oh no, surprise, censorship on a centralized platform. No one saw that coming.
Publicly available police reports.
I’m completely against doxxing. But there were public reports. That’s censorship.
That’s also what many other social media would do because it’s easier to ban posting of personal information regardless of where it came from because you can’t trust moderation you outsourced to some third world country to do proper checks.
Example:
Reddit is quite open and pro-free speech, but it is not okay to post someone’s personal information or post links to personal information. This includes links to public Facebook pages and screenshots of Facebook pages with the names still legible.
Posting someone’s personal information will get you banned. When posting screenshots, be sure to edit out any personally identifiable information to avoid running afoul of this rule.
Dunno if Bsky has something similar but it’s more of a cost optimisation than anything so people are getting pointlessly angry at individual companies rather than the system which has this sort of behaviour as a guaranteed outcome.
That doesn’t change the aspect of it being censorship. It just means that a risk adverse company is risk adverse to the degree that they will employ censorship to maintain that aversion to risk. At the end of the day, it’s censorship. The rationale for why they’ve employed it is notwithstanding.
A competent programmer could write an algorithm to knock out the low hanging fruit, like public Facebook pages, in about five minutes.
Might take me a couple hours. Someone genuinely good and familiar with the space would have been done in less time than it took to write this comment.
Can’t imagine why they would do that, or why they would want to extend protections they politically must extend to marginalized people who take real precautions to assholes who know they’ll always be protected by power.
They don’t want to deal with the slightest risk of dealing with legal consequences. The ole corpo risk matrix + risk appetite as assessed by lawyers resulted in this, no IT involved ever probably.
Totally, corporations will always go fasch, not just because they want to¹ but because it’s what they are
But
can’t trust moderation
There is low hanging fruit that can be procedurally verified.
They chose this, obviously, clearly
¹they always want to
Your solution doesn’t fully eliminate risk on it’s own and addressing that costs money - that’s about as far as a rational company has to go. They know going nuclear and banning all personal info means not having to deal with it at all and it’s a niche thing that will affect negligible amount of users. Bean counting is the core of meeting regulatory and legal requirements in case of for-profit organisations.
can always come up with rationalizations but the fact remains there are other platforms that will not “cost optimize” it away.
Those platforms are irrelevant. Yes, I realise I’m using an irrelevant platform but being relevant is something I actively avoid in social networks.
wow if we can’t trust me jack dorsey who can we even trust anymore‽
did anyone actually trusted jack dorsey?
more than you’d think…
bsky not run by jack
Jay sucks too all on her own.
^ this is an important detail people seem to miss
It quickly became clear that users understood something Bluesky didn’t: Bluesky couldn’t code away social problems on the app. At some point, Bluesky’s leadership would have to do something about users who were openly racist, transphobic, misogynist, or otherwise abusive.
Nevertheless, the CEO’s solution was something she called “compostable moderation,” a skeet labelling system that users with the financial resources and technical know-how could develop and deploy on their own little corner of Bluesky. In practice, this was a way to outsource responsibility. Rather than Bluesky taking accountability for hate speech or death threats, users were expected to moderate themselves
…
In short, Bluesky’s moderation is not neutral; it is selective. The platform is quick to silence, censor, or ban users it finds inconvenient or embarrassing, yet consistently unwilling to act against hate speech, misinformation, or other antisocial behaviour.
It amazes me how babylike some adult humans understanding of the world really is, did they NOT expect that to happen? That is precisely what I figured would happen and I am no genius, it is just common sense?
Congratulations, you have completed the game…. Just kidding! It never ends. It only gets worse, and you will make mistakes, and people will get mad and personally blame you and insist that you are deliberately trying to “censor” their brilliant ideas, and advertisers will get mad, and politicians will pressure you into doing their bidding, and the media will criticize every mistake. You own a social network. Isn’t it fun?
Moderation IS the hard part of running an online community, all the programming and technical details are the easy part with clear answers and rational obstacles.
He got banned for doxxing? Is that right?
I never trust anyone who says “I got banned from ____ for saying _____”. I’ve never seen that claim match the reality of what happened. I hope he posted proof somewhere at some point
*I don’t use Bluesky
I don’t think sharing publicly available documents constitutes doxxing
Even if it is, doxxing nazis is a good thing.
I agree. But the original post was claiming that Bluesky is a Nazi sympathing right wing extremist supporting organization. If BS just has a blanket TOS that is enforced consistently, that’s way different.
That’s like saying you got arrested for making a sign that says “Fuck Nazis!” and then it turns out you were just spray painting it on random buildings.
Yeah under a general “no graffiti tolerance” rule for example
Posting a link is in no way similar to vandalism.
Hey! You’re right! Good thing that’s not what the similie was trying to compare!
There are no bans on nostr. And we desperately need more antifa to drown out the 3 white supremacists we can’t ban
You have a bunch of white supremacists because there are no bans…
If you’re a giant piece of shit saying horrific garbage you’re probably going to flock to the platform where no one can do shit about it…
What authority consistently bans white supremacists at scale?
White supremacists are the eternal allies of the very concept of authority.
What authority consistently bans white supremacists at scale?
What superpower do you have to limit the voices of white supremacists at scale and what gives you the ethical grounds to use it without a community process to bestow you with that power?
This is babytalk honestly, you always need some kind of community moderators in some fashion or a community will collapse into a toxic pool of waste.
Can nobody in the fucking fediverse read fucking clauses adjectives or qualifiers? I swear to fuck.
Sometimes a more complex thought than a completely blanket statement is necessary to an idea
Except we can do shit about it, because there are no bans. That’s what you have backwards and that’s how they trick you into letting them increasingly take ownership of every discussion space in society
Except we can do shit about it, because there are no bans.
Well go on then…
I have been. I asked others to join me
And all the white supremacists disappeared?
What are you talking about?
How does asking others to join solve anything?
Oh my, what’s that thing? I tried nostr earlier this year after reading about their tech side and finding it interesting, but then I met their human side and… it was shocking (I lack words to properly explain the feeling). Most posts were, in order of amount of occurrence: cryptocurrency praising like it’s 2015, bashing on leftism, some weird humor I didn’t understand (maybe it was better not to understand), anti-government stuff, racist memes and a (maybe lost) user that posted some beautiful photos they took as amaetur photography practice. I literally stopped scrolling and uninstalled it when I saw a post claiming that pasteurizing milk is a genocide and an act from the government against us (the other users were even endorsing it!)
Definitely a good technology overrun with cultists. Better content curation tools & more users will fix it
Heads up, I sometimes post screenshots of replies like this as examples of how nostr looks to outsiders, because those cultists act confused about why no one joins
Did you say screenshot? I better fix the typing errors and dress my finest clothes!
It’s a shame that Nostr’s brand is tainted by its community in a lot of people’s eyes, there’s a lot to like about it as a protocol and as a free software project that is independent from that stuff.
Tbh I think of Lemmy in the same terms. Like, people contemplating coming here from e.g. Reddit could block all the anti-Western propaganda (e.g. calling for actual murder against us), and find some pools of content that are halfway worthwhile… but like, why would they bother? For the ideological purity of not contributing to enshittification? Anyone who thinks that way is already here though.
Whether facing “leftist” tankies on Lemmy or “conservative” right-wingers on Nostr, mainstream non-technical normie users are going to just nope right out of either.
If you avoid one or two instances you rarely encounter tankies on Lemmy. You’ll still encounter leftists, but that’s a good thing.
Almost no instances defederate from Lemmy.ml. And I had accounts on multiple instances that federated with both lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. None of that was explained anywhere, we early adopters just had to figure it out.
And who tells new people to avoid Lemmy.ml in the first place? That join Lemmy website that “randomly” picks an instance for you has even selected it for me, as well as hexbear.net.
Face it: we are a Nazi bar. Yes it’s possible to walk through the crowd of Nazis at the front door to our corner of the room where it’s cool, but I understand if my Jewish friends will refuse to accept my invitations, seeing who they will encounter on the way over.
I get your point about he company we keep, but tankies are typically authoritarian communists, not Nazis, and antisemitism isn’t usually a part of their outlook. You’ll find far more fascists on other social media platforms.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I run my own piefeed instance and I have lemmy.ml and hexbear a long with a few others blocked on it. But I had to KNOW about those before hand. It’s not like Reddit where you pretty much have to go looking for that content if you want to see it and/or block it.
I’m by no means a fan of moderation but I think we need to at least have some kind of rating system when selecting an instance or something and not have it be purely based on user count. Have it similar to how we already have it with users where you can see without clicking on anything if a user has a bad reputation. just add that to instances.
Fair, I’m not sure what the solution would be though, even if you explicitly want to optimize for getting as many people as possible using decentralized social media regardless of their politics or cultural preference, some kind of niche culture is going to form.
If you want an abortion, but your neighbor is willing to fully, literally, and actually kill you for attempting to get one, then how do you get along? Indeed…
The above example is auth-right, while tankies are auth-left. The common denominator is the auth part. You either give in and do whatever the other side wants, or… you do not do that.
Platforming the auth-left seems similar to trying to get people to join Reddit. Either way you are helping someone else feed forward their agenda, which will ultimately arrive at a bad ending.
I do note that PieFed is building an entirely new future, neither platforming tankies nor seeking profits to the exclusion of all else. I am putting my hopes into it.
Honestly normies shouldn’t even be on the internet
You think those are gonna convince anyone?
They can either be convinced or embarrass themselves ignoring evidence. Either way, proving a statement is ridiculous is proving it’s ridiculous
How is ignoring evidence embarrassing? To you perhaps, to me certainly. But why would it embarrass them?
A better word is it completely crushes their souls and makes their final moments unimaginably miserable, but that’s heavier to type out so just “embarrassment” for shorthand works
You’re convinced being right has any fucking value.
What’s stoping you from creating leftist hotspots in Nostr ?
The fundamental architectural decisions are stupid in precisely the way all libertarian projects are and make healthy behavior maladaptive for potentially toxic agents that might otherwise remain relatively innocous.
Thus it would be like trying to build a home at the bottom of the ocean or some other extreme hostile environment, the question becomes why?
Oh potentially toxic ? Who decides what’s toxic ?
Human moderators empowered with collective power given to them by a community…
Most posts were, in order of amount of occurrence: cryptocurrency praising like it’s 2015, bashing on leftism, some weird humor I didn’t understand (maybe it was better not to understand), anti-government stuff, racist memes and a (maybe lost) user that posted some beautiful photos they took as amaetur photography practice.
Yup, it’s beautiful. You know you can block, though, and filter content to only those you follow?
IMHO it would work better like a web of trust, than having to either whitelist or play whack-a-mole. I’d rather just join an instance that doesn’t allow racism.
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