• mumblerfish@lemmy.world
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    The honesty of Nazis is a peculiar thing. In Sweden, the far-right party that the government collaborates with, who were started by literal ex-SS nazis and neo-nazis, have celebrated other ex-SS nazis, have worn swaztikas and so on. They have this “sociologist” guy whose argument for this party not being nazis anymore is basically “Look at Golden Dawn and other nazi organizations, they are open about them being nazis. Nazis are honest about being nazis. That is why the Sweden Democrats cannot be nazis, because if they were, they’d be open about it”.

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      15 hours ago

      Which is fucking stupid because the Nazis initially weren’t honest about being Nazis. There’s a reason they called it National Socialism and not National Killjews-ism.

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        14 hours ago

        And every dumb fuck magat clings to that National Socialist name, unable to read any more about how right wing Nazis are.

        They’re the Reich wing for a reason.

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            And north Korea is a democracy as in Democratic People’s Republic of Korea sure Thing buddy. Just because someone says je is something doesnt mean He is that Thing :) they can LIE

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                They are, but just because someone says they are something or call themselves such doesn’t make that true

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                12 hours ago

                Literally no one here is talking about socialism being left wing but you. We all know it is, but the Nazis used the name to hide the fact they were actually far right wing. Any questions?

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                    There is a common argument from the right that goes “nazis were left because the socialism in national socialism means they are left”. I think you are being interpreted as arguing in this way because you said “socialism means left though” on a comment saying the nazis used that label to obscure their rightwing politics. Socialism is leftwing, but not in the the context of national socialism, that “socialism” plays the same role as the “democratic” in the democratic peoples republic of korea.

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                Are you saying the US is left wing? Because they have a lot of socialist policies.

                Are you saying the US army is left wing? Because they have a complete socialist structure.

                The meaning of left and right wing were lost long ago.

                Right: Supporters of the old order, the monarchy, and aristocracy.

                Left: Supporters of the revolution, republicanism, and secularism, who wanted to change the existing system.

                From the original definition the whole world is pretty much left unless they are ruled by a aristocracy or a monarch.

                Of course you could also argue most Democracies are in name only and the wealthy still call all the shots. So that would mean the whole world is really right.

                I think this highlights how useless these words have become even without the extreme polarization they have in places like the US.