Edit: but for real, we should introduce a ADHD-sharing network. My old fixation could be yours and vice versa. And I could tell you everything I learned, which is a lot!
i agree with you. a friend found an alto sax at an auction, got it for a song. when he heard i was dusting my tenor off he just gave it to me. i will have to give it back eventually, but we’re just glad it’s being played.
That’s a great idea for a store front. And great for buying for those people that are hard to buy for, cause they have to figure out how the whole collection works lol
Look for a creative reuse store for the art and craft version of this! I’ve got so much art shit on the cheap. So at least it’s less expensive for it to sit in the drawer 🥲
Dont spend money on fancy new cameras, chances are the camera in your phone is already better than 90% of all cameras in history. Don’t drop a dime on equipment until you’ve hit the limits of the hardware you already have.
The picture above isn’t a picture of what an expensive camera can do - it’s a picture of what a good photographer can do, enhanced by specialty equipment. In the hands of a novice the equipment cannot produce pictures like this.
Wildlife photography really is mostly about the equipment though. And waiting/being in the right place obviously. But I can tell you from experience, a novice can absolutely produce pictures like this with the right equipment.
I did the math for another post and if I remember right the best telephoto lens built into a very recent phone camera has equivalency to around 120mm (anything else is just digital zoom and sometimes AI enhance).
It’s a relatively new gimmick, and it can do wildlife photography from afar (I got some good full body shots of deer recently), but it’s not quite as good as 600mm or the 1000mm from the other post.
Yes, but there’s so much more to compositing a good shot than just focal length. I’m recommending to a new hobbyist to walk before they run. Framing, lighting, perspective - a cheap phone from 2019 off eBay is still better than what your grandparents had, and is better than cameras from 99% of human history.
Well, went and did research (gasp!) and found I had been lied to! Or at least to say it’s complicated. My statement does have merit in that yes! The most popular cameras from 2019 average 25 megapixels, and that puts it neck and neck to several uses of film (frequently animated uses).
I still think my primary argument is unchanged, but the precise details of my statement are somewhat hyperbolic. In my defence, “better than film” has been the marketing for at least a decade and there are things that digital photography shine at.
a cheap phone today is better than a digital camera from 15-20 years ago. but neither can stand up to analogue cameras that use film. we can extract 4k video from footage shot on film in the 80’s (any film footage really, but i mention 80’s because the music video for Last Christmas available on youtube in 4k is a wonderful example)
The primary factor is that 120mm is not the actual focal length of the lens in the phone, that will be a considerably smaller focal length that happens to give the same field of view as a 120mm lens on a full frame camera (i.e. the same sensor size as a 35mm film frame). The phone uses a much smaller sensor than this hence the smaller focal length for the same FoV.
Another thing that helps is using a telephoto lens design - including this lets you create a lens noticeably shorter than its focal length.
When the lens would still make an overly wide phone despite all this that’s where the periscope lens design as others have already mentioned comes in.
Shit. My ADHD brain doesn’t need another expensive hobby to hyperfixate on.
Wanna buy my setup? My hyperfixation ended.
Edit: but for real, we should introduce a ADHD-sharing network. My old fixation could be yours and vice versa. And I could tell you everything I learned, which is a lot!
Haha, i think, I recognise you from another adhd post 😄
Was it my lovely stare? It was, right?
i agree with you. a friend found an alto sax at an auction, got it for a song. when he heard i was dusting my tenor off he just gave it to me. i will have to give it back eventually, but we’re just glad it’s being played.
I’m super into this idea. It’s got stuff! It’s got sharing! It’s got socializing! Seriously, what a rad idea
Let’s get hyper fixated on this idea and make it a … oh, I could start another hobby?
Can we get someone who can focus for longer than a week for project lead?
That’s a great idea for a store front. And great for buying for those people that are hard to buy for, cause they have to figure out how the whole collection works lol
Look for a creative reuse store for the art and craft version of this! I’ve got so much art shit on the cheap. So at least it’s less expensive for it to sit in the drawer 🥲
I mean, I can whip up a web if enough people were interested.
slides over What’s your setup?
Oh shit nevermind, my wife is coming!
Did she see anything?
Can you afford to not get into photography, though?
Dont spend money on fancy new cameras, chances are the camera in your phone is already better than 90% of all cameras in history. Don’t drop a dime on equipment until you’ve hit the limits of the hardware you already have.
The picture above isn’t a picture of what an expensive camera can do - it’s a picture of what a good photographer can do, enhanced by specialty equipment. In the hands of a novice the equipment cannot produce pictures like this.
Wildlife photography really is mostly about the equipment though. And waiting/being in the right place obviously. But I can tell you from experience, a novice can absolutely produce pictures like this with the right equipment.
depends on your definition of novice.
a novice that is incredibly passionate and has been absorbing knowledge and experience at a fast pace? sure
a novice that just got a camera who’s shooting in .jpeg and has yet to hear of lightroom? (or alternative photo editing software) no
don’t forget novice who stumbled into a great location during what they later learned was golden hour
Phone cameras are great. Their compatibility with telephoto lenses is what sets them back.
They make telephoto lenses for phone case now
Sucky ones.
I get the point but there is no way my phone camera can capture the mountains reflected on the eyes of any animal even on full daylight
Phone cameras are good, yes, but their lenses are not. Even a cheap, used camera is better.
I did the math for another post and if I remember right the best telephoto lens built into a very recent phone camera has equivalency to around 120mm (anything else is just digital zoom and sometimes AI enhance).
It’s a relatively new gimmick, and it can do wildlife photography from afar (I got some good full body shots of deer recently), but it’s not quite as good as 600mm or the 1000mm from the other post.
The 120mm lense, 1inch sensor phone
Yes, but there’s so much more to compositing a good shot than just focal length. I’m recommending to a new hobbyist to walk before they run. Framing, lighting, perspective - a cheap phone from 2019 off eBay is still better than what your grandparents had, and is better than cameras from 99% of human history.
Cheap phone from 2019 is better than medium format film wat?! Better than 35mm film?! I dont see it.
Well, went and did research (gasp!) and found I had been lied to! Or at least to say it’s complicated. My statement does have merit in that yes! The most popular cameras from 2019 average 25 megapixels, and that puts it neck and neck to several uses of film (frequently animated uses).
I still think my primary argument is unchanged, but the precise details of my statement are somewhat hyperbolic. In my defence, “better than film” has been the marketing for at least a decade and there are things that digital photography shine at.
Still, thank you for keeping me in check.
https://www.learnfilm.photography/the-resolution-of-film-negatives/
i think your argument stays. photography is a mix of lot more things and attributes than just resolution.
a cheap phone today is better than a digital camera from 15-20 years ago. but neither can stand up to analogue cameras that use film. we can extract 4k video from footage shot on film in the 80’s (any film footage really, but i mention 80’s because the music video for Last Christmas available on youtube in 4k is a wonderful example)
dammit i just got whammed
how is it physically possible to fit a 120mm lens into a phone?
The primary factor is that 120mm is not the actual focal length of the lens in the phone, that will be a considerably smaller focal length that happens to give the same field of view as a 120mm lens on a full frame camera (i.e. the same sensor size as a 35mm film frame). The phone uses a much smaller sensor than this hence the smaller focal length for the same FoV.
Another thing that helps is using a telephoto lens design - including this lets you create a lens noticeably shorter than its focal length.
When the lens would still make an overly wide phone despite all this that’s where the periscope lens design as others have already mentioned comes in.
Like a periscope. It’s actually pretty cool.
Source
I said equivalency, so I don’t think that’s quite literal. That said, it does stick out a bit and is sunken into the phone itself by about a cm.
I’m not really sure how they get the rest of the way.
600 mm lens for my camera costs as much as my whole year’s salary🫠
And it weighs more than 3 kg. No way I’m carrying that on a hike.
That’s what the harness is for.
Harness isn’t going to give me increased stamina🤔
Not with that attitude you won’t. Where’s that “can do” sipirit, buckaroo?