I work for a government agency. I’m required to give my state agency 35 hours per week, 7 hours a day. I’m salary, so if I work overtime I don’t get extra money. I do get 1 hour of vacation for every hour extra I work. The catch to get that OT is you have to have worked 35 hours that week. If you take PTO or call in sick during the week you did ot, you won’t accrue that bonus pto
past period I had 14 hours of PTO scheduled. Earlier in the week I did 4 hours of OT over 2 different days to make sure all duties were taken care of because I’m doing the job of 3 people right now. I checked with the payroll people, and they said it was ok to remove/save 4 hours of PTO since I worked 4 OT on different days. Basically, I save 4 PTO hours in exchange for not getting credit time for the OT I did.
Cue my boss. He refused to sign off on my time sheet. According to him, every work day must have 7 hours accounted for, doesn’t matter that you have OT time on other days. This was a direct contradiction to what payroll said was ok. FUCK YOU PAUL. I will never work a single minute of OT for you ever again. Shit doesn’t get done? I’m all out of fucks. Fire me when I am the only one running shit. End rant.
I’m doing the job of 3 people right now.
FUCK YOU PAUL. I will never work a single minute of OT for you ever again.
You’re in HR so you probably are already ahead of me on this one. Just in case:
To CYA, you need to have one email exchange with Paul. With only the limited amount of time you’re not going to be able to complete all 3 jobs. Get in writing which of your 3 jobs Paul wants as #1 #2, and #3 priority. Work will go undone without PTO. When things blow up, you need to be able to point to that email exchange where your boss, Paul, told you that #2 and #3 get shafted in favor of #1, and that your 35 hours only allows you to cover #1.
I already do this. I email my boss summaries of the tasks I finish, and ask if he would rather I prioritize something different, and I keep a spread sheet going with the time I spend on tasks.
I did something similar. I wasn’t getting screwed like you, but I was being told I wasn’t getting work done when I was the only actual employee in my department with a couple of contract people who didn’t have access to our systems. This is what I did today, this is what still needs doing, these are the upcoming deadlines, my plan is to do this tomorrow, do you want me to pivot. Solved the complaints issue. Copied my boss’ boss for good measure. My boss wasn’t a bad boss, he just was told to get stuff done and I was the only one who could do it (I have skills and certifications he doesn’t have). So, this took the pressure off of everyone.
I look forward to the memes you make at work.
Heh. I posted one right before I posted this rant.
I’m salary, so if I work overtime I don’t get extra money
Almost all salaried employees still qualify for overtime. Just being salaried doesn’t exempt you. At least in the US.
It’s based on how you’re classified. OP sounds like an administrator /non sales professional/computer professional of some kind, so no they do not qualify for OT by federal standards.
Section 13(a)(1) of the FLSA, which was included in the original Act in 1938, exempts from the minimum wage and overtime pay requirements “any employee employed in a bona fide executive, administrative, or professional capacity[.]” [Source]
computer professional of some kind
If someone really wanted to hurt big tech, they’d be working to remove this profession from the list
I work for the legeslature, so there are actually state laws on the books about every aspect of our jobs, OT, PTO, ect. We don’t qualify for FMLA. After burning through all our accrued time due to illness, we can apply for extra paid sick time. We do have paid family leave, which is like FMLA to care for family, and that is at 60% salary as needed, and we also have parental leave when you adopt/make a baby, 12 weeks at 100% salary.
I work at a local university, so despite not being considered a state employee (with regard to our state laws), I am a state employee. I completely get the special rules we have to follow that normal employees don’t. For example, I can’t unionize.
Don’t worry, there are loads of legally exempt jobs, including mine!
Depends on the contract you sign, from what I understand.
A contract doesn’t override federal law. The contract is invalid.
Some contracts, like my union contract, specifically affirm they are breaking the law and where; like “section 51.2 of the labour code is superceded by the following terms when the employee is left-handed: etc…”
Union IT. Time-and-a-half begins the moment I have approved work past 4h51 in the day, or 7.81 hours. Double-time for weekend work or stat holidays, for which I already make pay, so it could be triple.
It very rarely happens.
But, even on a good day, at 4:51 pm, it’s usually “tools down” and we bullshit on slack until we all wander off. Because it’s home offices all around, ever since COVID day 1.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime
If they make greater than a certain amount, overtime is optional
No, but it can give you benefits that aren’t required by federal law, which was Gullible’s point.
Well, as they responded to a comment saying that most would have the benefits under federal law, saying it depends on the contract implies that those benefits are dependent on contracts and not federal law, not that you can go above and beyond federal law with a contract (which should be obvious to most).
Their comment, while not outwardly contradictory, was not outwardly complementary either. So really, their point was just very poorly made if that indeed was what they were trying to convey.
Did you actually tell Paul that you had already cleared it with payroll? I’m assuming you did, but you didn’t say that you did.
Yes, I did. I spoke to payroll after this happened, and they offered to have our legal team reach out to Paul. I told payroll I didn’t want to rock the boat, and that in the future I would just not work OT. I said if they want to educate Paul regarding time/attendance/payroll policies they should not do so on my behalf. (I work in a human resources, this shit is in our handbook. I’m not taking action related to this issue until I have a new job. I’m looking.)
A sensible person for once. I always read about people who quit their job or go make trouble, BEFORE they’ve found alternatives. It doesn’t make any sense
Sometimes, burning a bridge lights the way forward. I have rage quit jobs before and had new jobs within 2 weeks - 3 months. I always have $ saved for expenses, so even my rage quits had contingencies in place. Aside from this one thing, which pissed me off, this is the first time I have ever felt angry here. I am being overworked, but I’ve gotten sizable raises in appreciation. This is a good enough job that I haven’t reached a point where I’m willing to throw it all away.
It sounds like the problem is Paul, not the organization. Why not rock the boat a little bit if he’s violating company policy?
Because a new boss could be worse than the current boss, and I don’t want a target on my back. It’s chill here otherwise.
Yes, but if you like it and are advancing, then you could stay. If the next boss is same or worse, the option to leave is still there, but the jobs market may be better by then.
Talk to someone at the unemployment office in your state. A “salary” is usually figured at 40 hours a week so ANYTHING after that is overtime. A boss refusing to sign your time sheet is a red flag they’ve seen before.
I work for our elected officials. We have our own lawyers for ethics issues, and they are in the process of being notified. It’s likely they will put out an internal memo to remind everyone. This isn’t the first time it’s happened in our agency. Our agency allows women 4 hrs off to get a breast cancer screening, and men 4 hrs off to get a prostate screening. I had an elected official refusing to sign a time sheet because they felt 4 hours was excessive. I told that elected official they were in a position to effect actual change of the law, and until then, the ethics lawyers would be in contact. What will likely happen, is that Ethics, legal, and payroll will correct the time sheet after the fact, and refund me those hours.
Getting hit with similar, suddenly last week we have to start clocking in in our school district. Only us TAs and subs, ofc. Suddenly, everyone’s over or under, since the teachers need us like a solid hour before schedule, and once the kids are gone we’re basically in the way, but nah we need to keep busy for like an hour.
Hmm, you sound like you’re under as much oppressive annoyance as an hourly employee but also you earn more than hourly employees because you’re salaried, which means you probably also have full healthcare & retirement & 401k benefits etc, so boo-hoo. We’re all suffering in our own unique ways but it doesn’t sound like you’re on the verge of homelessness or starving or lack of healthcare, so wipe your tears with your hundred dollar bills and move along please.
Ah look at that, a prime example of working class against working class.
May the one percent smile upon you.
Class traitors will be used for practice purposes.
How do you like the acoustics in that bucket?
If you can hear me, you’re clearly in here with me 🥰
