Thursday marks the 30th day of the federal government shutdown and the American public has grown more concerned about the shutdown throughout the month and more disapprove of how Donald Trump is handling the federal government, according to an ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll conducted using Ipsos’ KnowledgePanel.

More Americans blame Trump and the Republicans in Congress than the Democrats for the shutdown, the poll finds.

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    17 hours ago

    All true. But, the Democrats have the same goal of neutering Congress and having a President-King. They just want to be the ones in charge. If they do regain the WH in 2028 or beyond, I bet they’ll happily go on issuing executive orders and deploying the military domestically.

    I dunno why we expected anything different. Congress has been neutering itself since at least WWII and the Executive has been getting away with overreach almost the entire history of the country. This is what we get.

    Trump is a uniquely vile and soulless figure who tapped into a sufficiently large voter base, which is just what the Oligarchy needed to shed the last trappings of our “democracy”.

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      the Democrats have the same goal of neutering Congress and having a President-King.

      This is completely untrue. Democrats LOVE to prove that they respect the peaceful transition of power so much, that it feels like they like to lose, just to prove what good losers they are, and show Republicans how it’s done.

      And Republicans be like: Fuck you, we’re taking it, whether you like it or not.

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        IMO, the Democratic leadership is opposed to having a king, for a simple reason: deniable plausibility. By having many different yet anonymous fingers in the pie of power, elites get to set policy and make deals without suffering consequences.

        This is opposite to the GOP style, which uses blatant aggression to simply break stuff and loot openly. The important critters of both parties suck, it is just that one steals things when you aren’t looking, and won’t break your nose.

        I hope that if things are settled positively, that we get rid of First Past the Post voting. It is political inbreeding, and our parties have become Hapsburgs.

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        10 hours ago

        I simply meant that Democrats also want power concentrated in the Executive branch. I wasn’t referring to transfer of power.

        Though, if prosecuting your political opponents after each transfer of power becomes normalized, just you watch the Dems embrace lifelong presidencies as well.

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          The Dems have never done ANYTHING that could be interpreted as “concentrating power in the Executive Branch.”

          Cite one source/example.

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              In modern times (Post-WWII), not one president has attempted to consolidate power in the comprehensive way that MAGA is attempting. It is unprecedented, and it is disingenuous to equate occasional instances of political overreach with the systematic dismantling of our entire political and economic infrastructure.

              Either stop making excuses for MAGA traitors, or admit that you are a traitor yourself.

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                Not once have I made excuses for MAGA. And I explicitly said that Republicans are worse than Dems and that Trump is uniquely bad (maybe in a different sub-thread from this one - it’s hard to tell with all the ignorant hate that came my way in this post). But you clearly have no interest in responding to what I actually say - you only want to attack the caricature of me that you’ve built in your head.

                So I’ll offer you an ultimatum analogous to the one you offered me: stop pretending that only one party in America is fascist or admit that you’re a fascist yourself.

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          10 hours ago

          Why don’t you try doing research instead of insulting people who say things that make you feel uncomfortable?

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        • Both parties throughout the 20th century have supported giving away Congressional power to declare war.
        • Kennedy bombed Vietnam without Congressional approval and tried to overthrow Castro without congressional approval. Democrats in Congress didn’t do much to try to stop him.
        • Obama set the precedent of assassinating American citizens with drones, again without Congressional approval or a declaration of war.

        These are just a few examples off the top of my head. There are plenty more. Its an issue the duopoly agrees on.

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      I need to know whatever the fuck you are smoking, because it’s clearly the strongest stuff I’ve heard of.

      Comparing an electorate who values qualifications, competency, and a social safety net to a populist, hateful cult is quite the leap. Same goes for the representatives that they support.

      There is no perfect candidate. Positive change will be iterative, not transformative. The peaceful transfer of power, deference to experts (republicans terminated the Chevron deference, but it was respected by all Democrat administrations) and other programs targeted to benefit the general public (ACA being the largest victory) were the hallmarks of Democrat policies. Did each of those administrations have flaws? Of course! That’s not equitable to the times we are in, however.

      Fuck off with this “both sides are poison” rhetoric. Your vote’s power comes from your contribution to how iterations are performed, or in this case, stopping the bleeding cause by these Republican-inflicted wounds.

      Alternatively, if you’re an astroturfer being paid a dollar to post this, great job. Your boss should give you a raise, and a passerby should have the good decency to slash your tires before you head home from the office.

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          Also, I vote Democrat almost all the time because they are the lesser of two evils. And when I’m not voting Democrat, it’s because I can afford to vote 3rd party, either because there are no Republicans in the race or because the Democrat is all-but-guaranteed to win. But I’m sure none of that will matter to you, as you’re so quick to assume I’m just a troll. Right, anyone who says anything you disagree with is a troll? That seems to be the general consensus here.

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        there obviously not being a perfect candidate does not mean we should vote for any of the two parties that have consistently done good for their owner class and their own pockets over the citizens

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          Real mindfuck for ya: I vote for Democrats and also criticize them - because I’m not a mindless fucking lemming.

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            if a tried food does not taste good the first time and sends you to the bathroom but you try it again thinking maybe hands were not washed or something but instead back on the toilet but afterwards go back again and again just to wind up with a sore hole and nothing to show for it

            then why keep doing it? what are the supporting facts for continuing to vote straight blue or red?

            are the voting machines even owned by the government or are they privately owned?

            whole thing sounds more rigged than both sides

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              I don’t really know what you’re talking about, but yes, it is rigged, and having only two choices, both of whom are beholden to a few rich and powerful interests, is part of the rigging.

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        democrats really got to you

        can stop now those boots are wet as fuck

        our minimum wage is frozen at $7.25, no universal healthcare, out of control police, environment is getting trashed, education is not being properly funded, and list goes on

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      All true. But, the Democrats have the same goal of neutering Congress and having a President-King.

      Are you on crack?

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          Both sides work for the Oligarchy. They do a nice good-cop/bad-cop routine, and the Republicans are definitely the bad cops. So I vote for Dems when it matters. And I vote for 3rd party when it won’t cause harm (i.e. when Dems are guaranteed to win). I hope that helps clarify the type of crack that I’m on.

          Meanwhile, you seem to be on the most potent crack of all - American propaganda. Try reading some Chomsky or Howard Zinn or just learning history beyond what you slept through in high school before making more dumb comments.

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            I am not even from the US. The only reason I follow US politics is because my country’s politics love suckling the toes of the POTUS without fail no matter what they do or who is in charge.

            What seems to be here is more you being radicalised. It can be for good reasons and I am not in your mind, but nobody is going to agree with you no matter who they are.

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              What’s annoying and obnoxious is how many left-leaning people in the US rightfully denounce authoritarian, unconstitutional, and imperial behavior of the US government when a Republican is in office but then ignore the same behavior when a Democrat does it. And if I point this out I’m smeared as a troll or closet MAGA or just, as you have here, an obnoxious person. We will never even approach the ideals expressed in our founding documents until enough of our population wakes up to the fact that both parties are puppets of corporate forces that actively oppose democracy and only value the welfare of the general population to the extent that they can use us as labor and consumers.

              By the way, not sure which country you’re from but I’m sorry on behalf of America that we have subordinated your country to our imperial nonsense.

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      I thought Lemmy was the place for actual leftists to find other informed people to talk to. Apparently its just more thoroughly propagandized morons based on the response to my post.

      For the record, I almost always vote Democrat and have never voted for a Republican. And I made it clear to anyone who actually read my comment that I think Trump is uniquely dangerous and awful. But I’m sure none of that will matter to any of you puppets.

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          Given that the responses I got to my original comment were mostly devoid of actual counter-arguments and were mainly just attacks on my character, I have scant evidence that there are any minds here for me to change.