• ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip
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    6 days ago

    Monica Lewinsky wasn’t “sleeping with her boss” she was manipulated into performing sexual favors by her boss, the most powerful man on earth at the time. This is victim blaming.

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      5 days ago

      This is a bullshit take that Monika Lewinsky denies even now

      This was a mutual relationship, mutual on all levels, right from the way it started and all the way through.

      If you can make a criticism it’s that Clinton blamed the whole thing on her being a seductive harlot including in his book after the presidency. But you certainly can’t just decide she’s a victim in a sexual relationship because you feel like it’s true, that’s the opposite of believe women and you’re undermining her agency

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky

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        Your bullshit take is not supported by that Wikipedia article. The power imbalance in their relationship was absolutely massive and she faced severe consequences to her life which Clinton avoided. The relationship itself may not have victimized her to the extent that I had thought, but the aftermath certainly did.

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          Monica had an affair with an older man before Clinton. She had a 5 year long affair with her high school drama teacher after she graduated high school. That man was married at the time.

          Was there a power imbalance? Is Clinton a sex creep who routinely cheats? Yes to both of those.

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            Sounds more like someone was groomed to accept inappropriate advances from older men in positions of power.

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            Fair enough. I don’t think my take was ever “bullshit” but it certainly is more well rounded now.

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      6 days ago

      I met her once. I didn’t even recognise her until I had to ask for ID (American tourists never sign their credit cards). And then I was like, oh. It’s Monica Lewinsky.

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            4 days ago

            kind of missing the point by not explaining how it prevents fraud

            I’ve never needed to show my card signature for anything. ever. I’m not even sure when that would be helpful

            my cc has a code to use it via chip. online usage doesn’t require the signature. giving cc details via phone obviously doesn’t involve a visible signature. when would it ever be relevant?

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            If that was actually the case it would help prevent fraud to leave it unsigned because it would be two-factor auth.

            But in reality ive never been IDd for not having it signed.

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                  I’ve seen a few people write “please see ID” or similar in the signature field. I’ve also seen many cashiers either not check the signature at all, or do so entirely performatively (IE, not trying to match the signatures or, in the case I described above, not looking closely enough to see that the payer has requested extra diligence).

                  Also, a lot of places I’ve been no longer ask for a signature under a certain cost. At one store around here, the machine prompts for a signature, but unless I proactively start it, the merchant just swipes a line across the screen with their finger.

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              I’ve had to fill out a few forms requiring signatures at work and am rarely asked to provide a physical copy. I don’t always have the means to use the “something I have and something I know” method and printing something, signing it and rescanning it back is just tedious.

              Instead, either Adobe or OSX - I’m not sure which - offers to generate a signature for you. Signatures don’t really have inherent value anyway, but I think it’s funny that this is even more meaningless since the system is just generating what it thinks yours should be. Also, I haven’t really experimented but I would be surprised if the signature is unique.

              You can sign with a mouse or touchpad but those results always look less like my actual signature than the generated one does.

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                My first day at a job where I had to send a lot of legal letters, they showed us how to scan a signature in and make a transparent template of it to use on the computer. The attorneys I worked with all acknowledged that while it wouldn’t be a good idea to attach it to any threats or anything, the e-signature probably wouldn’t actually stand up in court as a real signature. And yet, we all still learned and used those signatures on all of our letters.

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                Yeah, signature-based security is good in theory but is obviously heavily flawed.

                When i have to “sign” online documents all I’m required to do is click a checkbox. lol

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            I have never in my life needed to use a credit card signature as verification

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              There are places that ask for it, and it was common before also, at least in the US. Are you perhaps on the younger side, or haven’t been much in the US about…m 10 to 15 years ago? That’s when I had the most signature confirming type stuff, with some places not accepting a card that wasn’t signed (usually smaller shops that didn’t have a customer facing POS device, or offline CC stuff, which occasionally happened at places like Cons).

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            My photo ID is harder to fake than my signature, and I signed my ID, so if someone really needs to confirm my signature specifically, that’s already covered.

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          In the UK it’s a thing. Especially if you don’t have chip and pin. If you don’t have a signature, we don’t take payment unless you have photo ID with the same name. We’re not paid enough to risk a jail sentence for putting through a stolen card.

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          Everyone else was skinnier too. I saw an episode of Seinfeld a couple years ago where Elaine’s being weird about an overweight coworker. She really talks up how fat the coworker is and then it cuts to someone who appears to be about 130 lbs on a 5’4” frame. Like, she probably had a slight muffin top, but she didn’t look unhealthy or even noticeably thick to me, just not actively skinny.

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    4 days ago

    Plot twist: They were both single, consenting adults at the time.

    (I’m on about OP’s mam and the boss for those that need literally everything explained to them.)