I’m gonna be honest, I’ve never watched these manosphere losers, but there are enough “no manlets” or “nobody under 6ft” ass women out there (mostly on dating sites, unfortunately which have become the primary way people meet partners these days) that the manosphere doesn’t need to try hard to sell that one, women sell it themselves like an updated version of men wearing “no fat chicks” shirts in the 80s. Never seen “only short guys” or “nobody over 6ft” either, in contrast. There’s “chubby chasers,” where my “shorty seekers” at?
I know there are women out there that do date short guys and one shouldn’t let the demoralizing messages from what I’m sure are horrible people anyway get to them, but ask a girl who was fat in the 80s, it isn’t fun to see even though there are guys who are fine with fat chicks.
Vulnerable people tend to be the target of abusive ones. They’ll basically reinforce that vulnerable person’s beliefs from their experiences to say they shouldn’t risk anything but to stick with that abusive partner. So they tend to reinforce the focus more on anyone else being oppressive, to create a sense of “why should you bother?” Also those women who care so much about height tend to be assholes. I saw those types from Twitter a long time ago and I would roll their eyes whenever they, at the same time, sexualise asian men or are outspoken about racism even though asian men tend to be shorter. Also one thing that’s almost a parallel to the manosphere are the radfems (or at least they call themselves that way, because whatever they are seems different from what radical feminism is supposed to be). A lot of these radfems tend to just only see men in a bioessentialist or utilitarian way, because they think men are incapable of genuine connection. And it too, is a pipeline of sorts (which I encountered firsthand through Pinterest) because they start with women voicing out real concerns, to “rule of thumbs”, to defending the use of generalised language such as “men are…”, until they become prejudiced and start seeing individual men as only a part of a greater whole for this perceived collective identity of a “man”.
Didn’t see much of that and I was on 5 or 6 dating sites a few years ago. I’m 5’8" and dated 3 women that were 5’10".
Funny thing is, it never occurred to me that I was short until around 35. Despite being broke I always had a pretty gf, never thought I needed to be taller. My first wife used to joke about my “short ass” and it finally hit, maybe I am a little short. Still, never bothered me. God told me I could have long femurs or a long dick.
Tbh it was less of an issue for me myself until the dating sites, back when it was acceptable to politely approach women in public places it was easier to get them to see you as a human and while you may not be their ideal height,
A) It’s harder to screen for 6’ irl because they don’t carry measuring tapes
B) They’re more likely to look past your shortcomings (pun so very intended) because they can see your personality or whatever.
But now it’s just a meat market list of demographics for them to make their decision on, no real personality, no connection, nigh impossible to jump the gap and have her go slightly outside of her height expectations of “tallest 14% of men only” simply because it also says you have blue eyes and like hiking or whatever else it lists.
My problem isn’t women, it isn’t even being short, my problem is the commercialization of human connection and interaction and society’s acceptance of it, the fact that you’re basically forced to pay for a spyware app that treats you like shit or die alone, your pick. It would go a long way towards alleviating our current loneliness epidemic (it ain’t just men, so not “male loneliness epidemic”) if it were societally acceptable for people to approach others in public spaces and respectfully shoot their shot. Even a “good” dating app would still be an app that can’t truly portray a human outside of statistics and a few pictures.
Lucky you if you didn’t see any of that years ago, but I promise I’m not just making it up out of thin air lol.
I’m seeing it a bit now on Tinder. There’s been a few profiles that have straight up said “Under 6’ swipe left” and others that have said something like “I like to wear heels so nobody short”. Pretty sure I didn’t see any concerns about height like 10 years ago.
On the other side, it never occurred to me that I’m short until I got on the original craigslist.org, back when it was Bay Area-only. The number 5’10" was absolutely ubiquitous. If I searched the w4m personals, it’d match about half of the postings. Searching for 6’ matched quite a few more.
Some of the dating sites back in the day allowed people to specify their requirements in a partner. I noticed that the taller the woman, the taller her height requirements, of course. But also, the shorter the woman, generally the taller she wanted. It seemed like the minima was a height requirement of about 5’8" for men. (This was the Midwestern U.S.; results may have varied elsewhere.)
I haven’t seen this mentioned elsewhere, but at least in my anecdotal experience women seeking taller men is another symptom of patriarchy being toxic to everybody.
When I was growing up the pressure on women was to be as thin as possible - in essence, take up as little space as possible. I love the body positivity movement for starting to change that mentality but for me the damage was done in my formative years and has never gone away. It has resulted in me being physically uncomfortable if I am the biggest person in the room. The taller/broader a guy, the smaller I am by comparison. It’s completely fucked up, I’m quite tall so there are LOTS of incredibly attractive men shorter/thinner than me but I could not have been comfortable dating any of them without a lot of therapy for myself first.
I never put anything like “nobody under 6ft” on a dating profile, though, so maybe I’m off-base.
I’m gonna be honest, I’ve never watched these manosphere losers, but there are enough “no manlets” or “nobody under 6ft” ass women out there (mostly on dating sites, unfortunately which have become the primary way people meet partners these days) that the manosphere doesn’t need to try hard to sell that one, women sell it themselves like an updated version of men wearing “no fat chicks” shirts in the 80s. Never seen “only short guys” or “nobody over 6ft” either, in contrast. There’s “chubby chasers,” where my “shorty seekers” at?
I know there are women out there that do date short guys and one shouldn’t let the demoralizing messages from what I’m sure are horrible people anyway get to them, but ask a girl who was fat in the 80s, it isn’t fun to see even though there are guys who are fine with fat chicks.
Vulnerable people tend to be the target of abusive ones. They’ll basically reinforce that vulnerable person’s beliefs from their experiences to say they shouldn’t risk anything but to stick with that abusive partner. So they tend to reinforce the focus more on anyone else being oppressive, to create a sense of “why should you bother?” Also those women who care so much about height tend to be assholes. I saw those types from Twitter a long time ago and I would roll their eyes whenever they, at the same time, sexualise asian men or are outspoken about racism even though asian men tend to be shorter. Also one thing that’s almost a parallel to the manosphere are the radfems (or at least they call themselves that way, because whatever they are seems different from what radical feminism is supposed to be). A lot of these radfems tend to just only see men in a bioessentialist or utilitarian way, because they think men are incapable of genuine connection. And it too, is a pipeline of sorts (which I encountered firsthand through Pinterest) because they start with women voicing out real concerns, to “rule of thumbs”, to defending the use of generalised language such as “men are…”, until they become prejudiced and start seeing individual men as only a part of a greater whole for this perceived collective identity of a “man”.
Didn’t see much of that and I was on 5 or 6 dating sites a few years ago. I’m 5’8" and dated 3 women that were 5’10".
Funny thing is, it never occurred to me that I was short until around 35. Despite being broke I always had a pretty gf, never thought I needed to be taller. My first wife used to joke about my “short ass” and it finally hit, maybe I am a little short. Still, never bothered me. God told me I could have long femurs or a long dick.
Tbh it was less of an issue for me myself until the dating sites, back when it was acceptable to politely approach women in public places it was easier to get them to see you as a human and while you may not be their ideal height,
A) It’s harder to screen for 6’ irl because they don’t carry measuring tapes
B) They’re more likely to look past your shortcomings (pun so very intended) because they can see your personality or whatever.
But now it’s just a meat market list of demographics for them to make their decision on, no real personality, no connection, nigh impossible to jump the gap and have her go slightly outside of her height expectations of “tallest 14% of men only” simply because it also says you have blue eyes and like hiking or whatever else it lists.
My problem isn’t women, it isn’t even being short, my problem is the commercialization of human connection and interaction and society’s acceptance of it, the fact that you’re basically forced to pay for a spyware app that treats you like shit or die alone, your pick. It would go a long way towards alleviating our current loneliness epidemic (it ain’t just men, so not “male loneliness epidemic”) if it were societally acceptable for people to approach others in public spaces and respectfully shoot their shot. Even a “good” dating app would still be an app that can’t truly portray a human outside of statistics and a few pictures.
Lucky you if you didn’t see any of that years ago, but I promise I’m not just making it up out of thin air lol.
I’m seeing it a bit now on Tinder. There’s been a few profiles that have straight up said “Under 6’ swipe left” and others that have said something like “I like to wear heels so nobody short”. Pretty sure I didn’t see any concerns about height like 10 years ago.
On the other side, it never occurred to me that I’m short until I got on the original craigslist.org, back when it was Bay Area-only. The number 5’10" was absolutely ubiquitous. If I searched the w4m personals, it’d match about half of the postings. Searching for 6’ matched quite a few more.
Some of the dating sites back in the day allowed people to specify their requirements in a partner. I noticed that the taller the woman, the taller her height requirements, of course. But also, the shorter the woman, generally the taller she wanted. It seemed like the minima was a height requirement of about 5’8" for men. (This was the Midwestern U.S.; results may have varied elsewhere.)
Wow! Never saw it dialed in to the inch. Only ever experienced “6’ or GTFO”.
I haven’t seen this mentioned elsewhere, but at least in my anecdotal experience women seeking taller men is another symptom of patriarchy being toxic to everybody.
When I was growing up the pressure on women was to be as thin as possible - in essence, take up as little space as possible. I love the body positivity movement for starting to change that mentality but for me the damage was done in my formative years and has never gone away. It has resulted in me being physically uncomfortable if I am the biggest person in the room. The taller/broader a guy, the smaller I am by comparison. It’s completely fucked up, I’m quite tall so there are LOTS of incredibly attractive men shorter/thinner than me but I could not have been comfortable dating any of them without a lot of therapy for myself first.
I never put anything like “nobody under 6ft” on a dating profile, though, so maybe I’m off-base.
That is a perspective or lens through which to look at the issue that I wouldn’t have considered, thank you for sharing your experience