I’ve been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that’s BS. Right? Except it’s not, and we should respond to it for what it is.
“I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you’re fighting and “winning” for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you’re right. I hate what you imagine America to be… because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don’t use the word “murder” lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America… then you’re right! The America you believe in isn’t lovable.”
That’s all.
This is a weak deflection. You were part of a system whose purpose is to destroy the lives people around the world who might harm US hegemony. Some members of the British navy at the height of their colonial power only cleaned warehouses, they still maintained a system that enslaved and massacred hundreds of millions. You should be ashamed of having been an American soldier, not proud to have served your country.
Hmm… sorry, no. I was no more a part of that situation than any other citizen. And I’m not ashamed in the least. Not. In. The. Least.
Other than being part of the army, lmao. Didn’t know all of the citizens of the US served in the military, you learn something new every day.
“I’m not ashamed I contributed to and participated in the oppression and domination of most of the world” is not the good reply you think it is. The American military just weeks ago finished helping Israel strike their neighbors to allow them to more easily continue their genocide. Rethink your pride.
I had literally nothing to do with that. I haven’t been in the army in almost 30 years. But also, oppression and domination isn’t all the army does. Or even mostly. I fixed mine detectors, and mines are a particularly horrific form of warfare, particularly to civilians. And you have the whole corps of engineers. Plenty of jobs in the army are just jobs.
But insofar as I was part of the big stick that enabled speaking softly to succeed, yeah I’m proud of that.
“I was proud to be part of the vast apparatus of violence that America threatens everyone with to get their way”
If it means diplomacy over war? Yep.
You are from a country that has been at war almost continuously for as long as anyone in it can remember.
Same as every other US citizen. Not ashamed of that either.
The constant warfare? You should be.
You don’t seem to have any capacity for shame
“I’m not ashamed of being from a country that constantly starts wars by invading other nations and committing genocide directly or by proxy”
Diplomacy is when you force Haiti to lower its minimum wage so your monied class can get even richer
Fought against how we treat Haiti.
You fought as a soldier against your own government?
“Speak softly and carry a big stick” is a reference to Teddy Roosevelt and his military-backed coups, invasions, and threats to control and disrupt Caribbean, Central American, and South American countries and people. Teddy Roosevelt himself was deeply racist and did his best to finalize anti-indigenous American genocide campaigns.
The kind of things you helped with, just not written about correctly in the history books yet.
So, which wars did you assist by “cleaning”?
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For a brief shining second I thought you had said “not proud”. Was Fallujah “speaking softly”?
Voted against that administration.
And then fought for it
As opposed to the other party that destroyed Libya.
Let me go check my map, but I’m pretty sure Libya is still there. Also pretty sure their government was horrific to their own people, who were the ones who killed Gaddafi.
Like America has done some bad shit you could call out, but Libya?
Also, to withhold my vote from Obama would’ve been a vote for someone even worse in respect to foreign policy.
America turned Libya from one of the most prosperous nations in Africa to a place with open air slave markets. It’s clear that you don’t know anything about the actual impact America has on the lives of people in the third world.
Yes, that’s the point, both “sides” are bad because they’re actually fundamentally on the same side.
The administration stays the same despite the figureheads changing.
I can vote, and I can agitate for change for the better, which is what I said in my very first post. We are betraying the diversity and inclusion that is central to the things that made this nation better.
Voting has no tangible impact on the fact that whatever figurehead you elect will serve the same capitalist system and will continue to enact the same overall agenda of american imperialist domination by any means necessary, including genocide. Your rights as a worker will still be slowly eroded and your country will still fall apart as your ruling class strips it for parts. Wake up. Your nation was never great, never inclusive, always a white supremacist shit hole, every victory of civil rights and minority rights has been against the best efforts of your civil societies. It’s over.
“Listen I wasn’t the one doing the oppression! I was just fixing stuff used to oppress people.” Is not exactly a flex homie
Ah yes. Mine detectors. A famously oppressive tool.
“Anyone seen any mines!?!?!”
Not a picture of me so…
No, just the picture of the empire that you support and lick the boot off
Instead of helping the local economy make them themselves they have to come from america lol
Instead of? You think I was going to go make mine detectors in Cambodia or Vietnam? Or are you advocating that we tell those countries to fuck off and deal with their own problems?
Yes actually but not in the way you think, I’m advocating for america fucking off and leaving the world alone instead of genociding people and ruining nations for profit. Everyone comes to America for “help” solving problems america or it’s allies caused in the first place. America makes money from causing the problems and then makes money from selling the solutions, ensuring dependence on America.
Where were they used?
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read, so congrats on that
You need to read more. Fuck, I’ve said dumber things than that.
Only time you’ve been right in this entire thread.
Hitler’s chauffeur: “I only drove a car”.