I’ve been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that’s BS. Right? Except it’s not, and we should respond to it for what it is.
“I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you’re fighting and “winning” for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you’re right. I hate what you imagine America to be… because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don’t use the word “murder” lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America… then you’re right! The America you believe in isn’t lovable.”
That’s all.
Voted against that administration.
And then fought for it
As opposed to the other party that destroyed Libya.
Let me go check my map, but I’m pretty sure Libya is still there. Also pretty sure their government was horrific to their own people, who were the ones who killed Gaddafi.
Like America has done some bad shit you could call out, but Libya?
Also, to withhold my vote from Obama would’ve been a vote for someone even worse in respect to foreign policy.
America turned Libya from one of the most prosperous nations in Africa to a place with open air slave markets. It’s clear that you don’t know anything about the actual impact America has on the lives of people in the third world.
Yes, that’s the point, both “sides” are bad because they’re actually fundamentally on the same side.
I’m not going to not vote or throw my vote away on a third party—I did that every year I’m until 2008, and it was a mistake.
And sure America is responsible for a lot of bad things in the this world. But that history isn’t the responsibility of the administration at the time that needed to clean it up. America has done plenty of bad things. I can’t change that history, I can only hope to influence the future.
“America is responsible for a lot of bad things in the world but this isn’t the responsibility of the administration which helped cause the bad things or exists to serve the empire which causes the bad things.”
Not even history too. Did you know that the zionist puppet state’s current genocide in Palestine is mostly funded and supplied by america, for american dominance in the levant as a beachhead to harass countries in the Middle East? The genocide would stop immediately without american support.
I do know that. And I oppose it. And I wish it had been on the ballot, but both sides support the Israeli genocide so I had to cast a vote batted on other issues. But of course, there are other issues, and if Trump has been staunchly pro-Gaza I still would not have supported him.
So you’re saying that if trump hypothetically wanted to *stop committing genocide for whatever reason, you wouldn’t have voted for that?
Too many other bad policies. Gaza isn’t the only issue. If he did oppose the genocide, I would only conclude it was for nefarious purposes. Trump has only ever had a single policy I’ve ever agreed with, foreign or domestic, then he changed his mind.
Mask off moment for the genocidal fascist
The administration stays the same despite the figureheads changing.
I can vote, and I can agitate for change for the better, which is what I said in my very first post. We are betraying the diversity and inclusion that is central to the things that made this nation better.
Voting has no tangible impact on the fact that whatever figurehead you elect will serve the same capitalist system and will continue to enact the same overall agenda of american imperialist domination by any means necessary, including genocide. Your rights as a worker will still be slowly eroded and your country will still fall apart as your ruling class strips it for parts. Wake up. Your nation was never great, never inclusive, always a white supremacist shit hole, every victory of civil rights and minority rights has been against the best efforts of your civil societies. It’s over.
It’s not over until we stop fighting. You have a very defeatist attitude.
If you love America, and you think voting will be able to “fix” it, you have always already been defeated. That’s what we are trying to tell you. Your idealism of “America” is not real. And you being proud of that ideal in spite of all the very real death, exploitation, destruction in service of capitalism that “America” exists to maintain is you defeating yourself publicly.
No you don’t get it. It’s over for any delusions about america being a force for good or for the possibility that faith in its institutions can ever lead to positive change for humanity. America has always been a genocidal shit hole. End of.
That’s a reflection of American global power. Any nation with our power would be harmful to the rest of the world. We shouldn’t be a sole superpower. Not should anyone else, ideally.
If Cuba had your power the world would be a much better place.
No it wouldn’t. The USSR after 1945 helped countries free themselves from the under the boot of imperialism. China hasn’t been at war since 1975, and is helping build up countries. Just because america is imperialist doesn’t mean every country would be.
The USSR were not good guys. China suppresses and murders their own citizens. They aren’t good guys. I feel like you’re not making a good argument here. But I think you’d be hard pressed to find a country that didn’t exploit its power at the detriment of other nations, and while I’m less confident including their own citizens, no counter examples come to mind.