Third Wave is skankalicious. I have a comp called Skankaholics Unanimous, it’s gotta ve my all-time fave album of Ska. Seriously get a copy from Discogs.com if you can. Buford O’Sullivan “I Gotta Do It Someday” is the closing song, man do I love it.
… What kind of ska are we talking about? Because I’ve learned that Americans seem to have a very different idea of ska.
Because the actual ska is the kind of music you’d do classy dance to… But what you guys call ska is something I’d expect to hear from a drunken crowd in a pub.
We call a few different styles ska. Original ska is closer to reggae, then there’s second wave, which picked up the tempo, and then there’s 3rd wave or punk ska, which the other responder is referencing. That’s pop punk with upstrokes and horns, and fedoras, like this.
It was a huge musical fad in the late 90’s, early 00’s, along with Swing, which was a similar modern hybrid style.
HERE I AM, DOING EVERYTHING I CAN…
I also want to tear the system down when I see what capitalism in the US did to mozzarella
Where’s my fellow Streetlight Manifesto fans at? That’s the good shit right there. Beautifully written songs played by incredibly talented musicians.
And yes, technically they’re not ska and Tomas Kalnoky will tell you as such, but they might as well be. Especially in the earlier albums.
I was just looking for Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution last week, and was very confused when I found Streetlight with the same songs, but way faster than I remembered. I knew Bandits was the guys from Catch 22, but I never knew of Streetlight Manifesto, or don’t remember being aware.
Love a bit of Streetlight but the release of Keasby Nights as Catch 22 was better IMO
That’s understandable, it’s got a rougher and less polished sound that gives more classic ska punk vibes. Personally I think some songs are better on the Streetlight version (Walking Away in particular) but the Catch version has plenty to offer on its own.
Yeh I think it is that rougher sound that appeals to me.
Thanks for posting the comment though as I hadn’t listened to that album in fucking years but straight away after replying slapped on the Catch version and had a great time!
Not sure. It’s hard to spot them. I just get dizzy when I think of all the ways they’re trying to hide their maladies.
There was a major line-up here a few weeks ago: Planet Smashers, Streetlight Manifesto and The Interrupters.
Crazy good show. If only for memories
Tomas would tell you if he ever talked. I once spoke with one of the bands they toured with. He said that in 6 months he’d heard him say maybe 6 words. Dude shows up to sound check then vanishes into the city until curtains.
This isn’t funny and I’ll tell you why. Have you ever been close to tragedy? Or been close to folks who have? Have you ever felt a pain so powerful, so heavy you collapse? No? Well, I’ve never had to knock on wood, but I know someone who has. Which makes me wonder if I could. It makes me wonder if I’ve never had to knock on wood, and I’m glad I haven’t yet. Because I’m sure it isn’t good. That’s the impression that I get.
Yes agreed. Don’t Speak, I say. I know just what you’re saying, so please stop explaining.
Should have read before posting same song. Great minds wired alike
You know, I think we’ll be good friends. I say, let’s have ourselves a beer.
I said, Don’t you drink that bear tonight. She said, but I can’t work in fast food all my life.
And because of that, she has a girlfriend now.
Seriously? Come on, Eileen!
She does? I heard she’s a hater, a manipulator and a psycho life invader. A real beast from Hell, man.
I see you like gambling on upvotes or downvotes. From me, you get an upvote!
Bravo sir.
Ska generally means 3rd wave, and Ive no idea how those first two waves really releate to 3rd wave, but yea punk and reggae are like very different siblings of the same family.
But yea black and white checkered vans, skanking, all that stuff. Its just punk rock with a horn section. And yea, some is more pop/mainstream than other, but its the same with punk or any genre thats been around for more than 15 minutes.
Dont get me wrond, the joke is still accurate.
You don’t see how? It takes the horns and basic upstroke pattern and speeds it up like tenfold.
This song is a bit more 2nd wave.
The relate via Two-Tone
Aren’t you describing ska-punk? I thought ska was a spinoff of reggae. (It sure sounds like reggae to my ignorant ears.)
Reggae comes from Ska as I recall. The Wailer’s early work is Ska.
What you are calling ska punk, old heads used to tell me thats 3rd wave ska. The reggae spin off, they claimed, was 1st and 2nd wave. I dont know for sure, and Iv seen contradicting things online since. I never really got it.
Reggae is a spinoff of the original ska, which itself is a very Caribbean style coming from Calypso and jumpblues. Look for Desmond Dekker or Toots & the Maytals for some typical examples.
Today’s ska is closer to punk rock with a sprinkle of horns.
Yeah, and that’s slightly different than dubstep-ska. That’s where you drop the beat then pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.
People need to spend more time on [email protected] … third- and second- wave ska is ok, but there’s nothing quite like first-wave…
No reason to stop at first wave. Keep going further back to mento!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3FjfiFQdA&list=RDQMpu7ij0zC8kU&start_radio=1
Pickituppickituppickituppickituuuuupp!
As a ska enthusiast myself, I wish I could say this isn’t absolutely true.
The best Ska song is still “Ska Sucks” by Propagandi.
Haven’t listened to that since radio wazee was a thing. I know they had other streams but I probably listened to their Punk stream more than anything else. I miss a lot of the old traditional streaming radio websites. Used to be my favorite way of discovering new music. Winamp’s library window had a built-in stream list, probably populated by anyone running their Shoutcast server, that made “stations” easy to find). I think Digitally Imported and SomaFM are probably two of longest running web radio stations that are still going. So many others have disappeared over the years.
The fact that people only know third wave ska makes me sad. There’s so much more to it.
https://youtu.be/lLLL1KxpYMA?t=12
I don’t know which wave Madness is, I know it’s before pop ska, and it fucking rocks.
If you wanna get really old ska check out Toots & The Maytals. They did a ton of songs like “54-46 was my number” that turned into ska standards
If you want to go back even further I recommend
And
Prince Buster who is the grandaddy of the genre
He wrote that song that Madness covers.
And don’t get me started on rock steady.
oh yeah, that song is familiar. Not sure why you didn’t link to it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGPpYJOFH4
Obviously I’m more into Madness since I’m a complexity and speed addict, but it’s still a great source to place my example, and as a part of the history of the genre.
Id love to know what songs youre thinking of when you sat Madness embodies speed and complexity, because i love madness but id never use either of those words to describe them. Maaaayyybe complexity if youre judging by the times and on a sliding scale, but speed i dont get at all.
“I’m more into madness” = I prefer madness over Toots & The Maytals because they are more complex and faster.
Yeah, they’re not Archspire, but they’re fast enough for more mainstream music.
Also, it’s fairly sophisitcated, they have dimished scale and some kind of arabian sounding mode in the song I linked, and the tempo is in the high 100s. (turns out it’s 150+ but fucking whatever , feels fast, and changes)
I cant follow the links you posted because youtube is down according to invidious. I didnt mean anything by it though, i was genuinely just curious because i do have quite a few madness songs saved but none of them are especially fast or complex by modern standards so i was wondering if i was missing out on something in their catalogue or if you just meant in comparison to other similar genre artists that came before them.
Does “complexity and speed” mean shred guitarists?
No it means things faster than uptempo and non major minor tonality and non even rhythm.
Just so happens that shred has all those, and I make excuses for things like bach
So who’s your fav? I was a big fan of Satriani and Tony McAlpine 35 years ago.
Obviously Mike Lerner of Behold the Arctopus, hence having Skullgrid as my name. I wrote a LONG ASS post about my favourite shred guitarists that have excellent phrasing , where it’s not just a zillion notes a second, but they still do play a zillion notes a second here :
https://lemmy.world/post/32373621/18016464
I will post again in a few days with my favourite “fast as fuck” shredders that have no concept of phrasing for you.
Second, the wave in Britain (madness, specials, selector, bad manners, etc.)
Don’t gatekeep, spread the more! Be the change you want to see.
Pressure Drop by Toots & the Maytals
Poor me by Desmond Dekker
They’re generally slower than 3rd wave, got a much more chill vibe.
There’s a local ska band just like this. I consider it more like reggae. I prefer the punk energy and fast jangly chords of third wave, but this is still enjoyable.
I grew up with third wave ska, but can’t really get into second and first wave.
I like the speed of thirdwave ska that doesn’t seem to be there from previous waves.
I don’t know where English Beat falls in that, but there’s definitely some good skanking at their shows.
Ska peaked with Skibidi tbh.
One of the better jokes in Renfield.
I love that this turned into a broader discussion of ska. How about some Ghost Town? https://youtu.be/LrZAtp157KI
This also explains the hypeman constantly hopping around.
Channeling that cheesey excitement.
