So, I made the same post of a Variety article covering how basically the entirety of US news agencies are refusing to comply with new Pentagon press standards, I posted this to multiple World/Global news comms on multiple instances…
… and my post to World News on lemmy.world, with ~200 upvotes in ~6 hours, 20 comments, was locked and removed with reason “Internal US News”, at midnight my local time…
https://lemmy.world/post/37359472
(removed)
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55525545
(local mirror of same post)
… apparently the lemmy.world World News editorial team doesn’t think it rises to the level of generally relevant to the entire world that basically all US media outlets (with the single exception of OAN, the most MAGA-culty news outlet) are unifying in a collective refusal to comply with the Trump Admin’s new military reporting standards.
No other World/Global News comm on any other instance that I made this same post to acted similarly.
lemmy.zip Global News:
https://lemmy.zip/post/50994380
beehaw.org World News:
https://beehaw.org/post/22673636
(my internet is shitting itself right now and I can’t load beehaw, will try to update later)
EDIT: internet’s back up, link updated
lemmy.ml World News:
https://lemmy.ml/post/37548697
… the meta-irony of this is physically painful to me.
Sure would be neat if the lemmy.world admins followed through on their recent pledge to reevaluate the staffing of their mod teams.
YDI. Read the page rules. You’re not guaranteed your post just because others allow it.
On Reddit, a more accurate name for /r/worldnews would be “Non-US News”. It iirc came about because /r/news was flooded with random US news no one outside the US cared about, so /r/worldnews was meant to be the place for news from or directly concerning other countries besides the US.
Considering the rule of no internal US news, I assume lemmy.world’s version of the community is an extension of the subreddit, culturally. They do allow some US news, but from what I can tell, it’s only ones which directly concern another country or the citizen of another country.
The issue here is it does appear to be something world news worthy as it’s an announcement all news agencies will stop getting to interact with Pentagon news briefings.
World totally doesn’t need to know anything about the largest military in the world
Idk this post kind of annoys me making an issue out of nothing. it is not obviously world news you can easily argue for both
Though it pains me a little to back up Jordan here, YDI. The community rule is pretty clear and there’s plenty of alternative news comms to post to.
Kill 8-30 million people; at least one will have been an asshole who had it coming.
PTB
I do think this is world news. The US military is the largest in the world, like it or not. Reporters have kept leaders accountable in the past. Without accountability, the US military can more easily meddle with foreign countries and claim false results, changing the global geopolitical landscape using their lies.
Exactly, thank you.
Yeah, as you say, like it or not, the US Military is huge, and everyhere, its… quite obvious that this whole story is relevant to basically the entire world.
Would someone wanting to avoid US specific news want to see this article?
There are other communities to post it to, like !politics
Maybe have a comm for non-US news then? Major US news is world news, as US is part of the world.
Afaik the community in question is a non-U.S. news community. Its rule 1 is literally no US news.
Probably not, but that doesn’t make it not world news.
I agree. As a EU-external European, this seems like very relevant news to me.
Now will full support and backing of the admins to be as shit as he wants!
Enforcing rule #1 of a community, crazy right?
You are the worst.
Tell me this… You run a community which specifically disallows US news.
Someone posts US news to it.
It gets reported.
As a mod, what do YOU do? Just curious.
I wouldn’t make such a rule in a community named ‘world news’ because the rule is stupid.
If I moderated a community called World New Except the USA then I would make rulings based on whether the news impacts places outside the USA.
Then I would learn about the terminology of other governments instead of banning people for using the word ‘government’ properly in the context of their country like an insufferable jackass.
All that requires more than the two brain cells you apparently use.
Funny thing, I didn’t make that rule, nor did I make the community.
I’m OK with it though because it’s nice having at least one forum that isn’t “Trump does something stupid” 24/7.
We should stop posting there
I don’t see how that news would NOT be US internal news. Mods are just enforcing the rules.
YDI.
No other World/Global News comm on any other instance that I made this same post to acted similarly.
Because they don’t have a rule against US internal news.
Once upon a time, I was an actual copy editor and worked in an actual news room, that printed actual physical papers.
I would, and back a while ago, did argue that something like this is so potentially impactful to the entire world, that it is in fact ‘world news’, as in, news that is generally quite important to readers from anywhere, that is shaping or may shape the course of world history.
‘US Internal News’ is not defined or explained at all within the rules, beyond just literally that phrase.
By the logic of ‘it happens entirely within the US, so its internal US News’… a US Presidential election outcome is not world news, 9/11 (as it happened in real time) would not be world news, a theoretical military coup/counter coup in the US would not be world news.
This is a dumb way to try to draw this totally arbitrary and editorial line.
Rules can in fact be stupid themselves.
I again emphasize that this in a unique editorial decision, made by almost certainly one particular mod who is currently facing many calls to resign or be removed from being a lemmy.world World News mod, by at least one other former lemmy.world mod, for being capricious, petty and arbitrary.
I would, and back a while ago, did argue that something like this is so potentially impactful to the entire world, that it is in fact ‘world news’, as in, news that is generally quite important to readers from anywhere, that is shaping or may shape the course of world history.
Fair, but I would disagree.
‘US Internal News’ is not defined or explained at all within the rules, beyond just literally that phrase.
I don’t think that’s a problem. Just use your best judgment. If the mod disagrees, they’ll remove the post and we can all move on, no harm done.
By the logic of ‘it happens entirely within the US, so its internal US News’… a US Presidential election outcome is not world news, 9/11 (as it happened in real time) would not be world news, a theoretical military coup/counter coup in the US would not be world news.
Some US department making rules for journalist isn’t a presidential election or 9/11 … ridiculous comparison.
This is a dumb way to try to drawn this totally arbitrary and editorial line.
Sure. I personally think the rule is stupid and a community named “world news” shouldn’t exclude a part of the world. But that’s not how lemmy works.
If the people running this community want to have that rule they can and they can enforce it as they see fit. And removing this particular post is, in my opinion, way within a reasonable interpretation of that rule. So there is no power tripping.
… No harm done?
That post, the discussion was active and lively, many people wanted to see this, talk about it, upvoted it pretty darn fast, and then… removed, gone.
At least one commenter in that thread said that they hoped the overly stringent restrictions on what counts as a valid news source in that comm would be relaxed and not lead to the post being removed… ah, but, got removed for another reason I guess.
I don’t think that’s a problem. Just use your best judgment. If the mod disagrees, they’ll remove the post and we can all move on, no harm done.
Sorry no.
World News on lemmy.world is the largest and most active lemmy news community, full stop.
It having dumb rules that are enforced arbitrarily by a controversial power tripping mod who is very often featured in this comm for a variety of indefensible bullshit is a big deal, in almost exactly the same way that journalists being restricted from reporting on government agencies/activities is.
Some US department making rules for journalist isn’t a presidential election or 9/11 … ridiculous comparison.
Ok and here is where I just laugh at you.
Its not some random department.
It is the fucking Pentagon, the Department of
DefenseWar.The organization that controls the most wide reaching military on the planet, with over 120 bases in I think we are up to almost 50 different countries now.
If the Pentagon changes its rules to say ‘you can only report what clears 100% through us’, then thats almost 50 different countries that now lose a whole lot of journalistic access to what is going on or likely to go on in their country.
Beyond that, it also might be nice for say, Venzuelans, to be able to access US journos who have access to the Pentagon, to see if maybe their fishing boats are still gonna keep being blown up for no reason, or if the US is just gonna invade their whole country.
You… apparently do not have this… context in mind, when you act like there is no comparison to the other examples I gave, where you are here acting like literally the largest comm on lemmy is… just some little niche community?
As I already said, I think the rule is dumb as well. But a dumb rule existing isn’t mods power tripping. This is just us not liking a rule.
And not sure what the size of the community matters. In fact, have you considered that it maybe got so big because it’s the only one not full of US internal news? Some people might really like that.
It having dumb rules that are enforced arbitrarily by a controversial power tripping mod who is very often featured in this comm for a variety of indefensible bullshit is a big deal
I don’t see it as big of a deal (other communities exist). But if you want to discuss the merit of the rule or the individual conduct of the moderators, that feels more like it should be a meta-post in the community itself.
This post here is about whether or not this specific mod action was warranted. And I still think it absolutely was.
The organization that controls the most wide reaching military on the planet, with over 120 bases in I think we are up to almost 50 different countries now.
Yes, everybody is aware how big and important America is. And yes, the current administration is speedrunning the one remaining superpower towards fascism, which is bad for all of the world. By that logic almost everything this administration does would be “world news”. But that’s obviously a silly way to look at it.
This post here is about whether or not this specific mod action was warranted. And I still think it absolutely was.
Its my post.
You don’t get to piegon-hole frame my post.
This comm often serves as a place for such meta discussion, we can talk about related multiple things at the same time.
Or, well, maybe we can’t, I guess, if you are apparently in charge of conversation framing here.
Anyway…
As I already said, I think the rule is dumb as well. But a dumb rule existing isn’t mods power tripping. This is just us not liking a rule.
… who do you think writes the rules?
Are… are you serious right now?
Its the mods, in case you need a direct answer to that.
And not sure what the size of the community matters. In fact, have you considered that it maybe got so big because it’s the only one not full of US internal news? Some people might really like that.
Yeah its for US based normie reddit refugees that by default land on lemmy.world, who want a US news vs not US dichotomy, its not actually primarily intended to have an actual global perspective, its intended to have a US centric, non-US News differentiation, because the vast majority of the lemmy.world user base is from the US, and that’s whose being catered to.
This is an editorial approach that centers the US as the default given, and works from there.
It is not an editorial approach that attempts to consider what global or worldwide audiences from anywhere would find noteworthy and important.
Yes, everybody is aware how big and important America is. And yes, the current administration is speedrunning the one remaining superpower towards fascism, which is bad for all of the world. By that logic almost everything this administration does would be “world news”. But that’s obviously a silly way to look at it.
Again, cool, neat rhetotical device, but we are not talking about anything the admin does, we are talking about things that do obviously have a direct impact on other countries, via, you know, aforementioned literally physically present military assets in up to 50 other countries, and how any one is to have any idea what they may or may not be doing.
… You sure do seem to talk and argue just like jordan, anyone ever said that to you before?
As I already said, I think the rule is dumb as well. But a dumb rule existing isn’t mods power tripping.
This is just us not liking a rule.
… who is us?
Who… what group are you referring to here?
They are inconsistant with the rules
What you expect jl to remember rules???
Apparently you don’t know JordanLund. If you did, you could base this entirely on your opinion of him and not at all on the facts themselves.
If you did, you could base this entirely on your opinion of him and not at all on the facts themselves.
Great advice right here. Who needs facts if you have opinions!
Still is a rule 1 violation and you’re still using your .world account. You’re not concerned their selectively mute admins enable him?
hes going to threaten some of them by pulling thier broadcasting licenses/reporting license.
Rule 1: Not US Internal News.
So - The US government placing restrictions on US media is pretty much the exact definition of internal US news.
I mean, it’s right there, and I told you where you COULD post it. Namely [email protected] and [email protected]
Allowing US News in [email protected] would rapidly become all Trump all the time.
The whole point of World is to have a non-US centric zone.
Pete Hegseth‘s Defense Department has threatened to revoke press credentials of news organization that do not agree to restrictive new coverage rules — and says it may bar journalists who don’t agree to abide by the rules from physical access to the Pentagon’s ground
Weird how that threat isn’t only to US media but all media.
Media attempting to access US resources in the US.
The example was of us media boycotting but the Pentagon is requiring it for any media agency
