Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.

It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.

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    Gee, almost as if Russian propaganda is working.

    Before the Civil War one politician opined that if a war started you’d be able to mop up all the blood spilled with one handkerchief.

    Anyone who thinks a new fight will be any easier has probably never been in a real fight.

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      I don’t think people realize that if a new US civil war kicked off the lines wouldn’t be as clear as north vs south. this would be state vs state, city vs city, neighbor vs neighbor. you could draw lines in your god damn sub division/street.

      And if it were alliances between states it would be a god damn logistical nightmare. Imagine California being allied with New York for example. or Hell Minnesota being allied with like Arizona or whatever. how do you move supplies, troops, and what have you between allied states when you got a shit ton of hostiles between the two.

      Add to the fact that unlike the first civil war you now have US military bases all over the world. what happens when you got folks within the SAME base in the middle of Germany that suddenly don’t “agree” with each other?

      Cluster fuck is an understatement.

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        It’s also why we need to avoid violence and make the regime stumble into itself.

        Which is why Chinese and Russia propaganda is attempting to stoke the fire (remember, they eliminated their opposition, so they don’t have the same experience inciting violence and they think they do).

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        There’d also be a shit-ton of drone warfare. Thousands will die without ever seeing their killers face. It’s also entirely possible AI will be bombing people and you’ll basically be killed by an algorithm.

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          Lets also not forget cyberwarfare, ranging from external to internal sources, ranging from doxxing people to invented news events with AI gen/manipulated images/audio/video, all the way up to knocking out public infrastructure, locking down hardware of local gov / businesses / banks with ransomware, etc.

          Random, unofficial people are capable of either most or all of that.

          Oh and of course if shit really kicks off, other countries will probably do the CIA’s signature move of funding arming and training various groups of people.

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          If you think this, you should talk to your average republican voter. They will suck that orange cock until every bit of their wealth and ability to afford food is gone, and blame whoever fox news points a finger at that day.

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        I saw one dream map where Canada drops two tentacles; one reaches down through the West all the way to San Diego, and the Eastern one reaches just north of Washington.

        Humor aside, I agree with your take. A war of assassins and terrorists on both sides.

        I’ll add one more note. Back in the day, the Irish Republican Army was the most feared underground in the world. They only had a handful of soldiers, but a superb organization. If a shooter was supposed to kill someone in Geneva, he’d have three or four cars waiting when he got to the airport, and each driver would know five places the shooter could stay. He’d have a choice of getaway drivers and extra safe houses and docotrs on tap.

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          How do you still manage that in the current (and worsening) surveillance state? I mean Luigi showed its possible for a lone wolf but I have to question being able to organize without being known. If you are caught organizing an antifa org then you’re also uber boned.

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            My point was that the next war won’t look anything like the last one.

            Anyone who thinks that some molotov cocktails they made is going to bring down the system has another think coming.

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        or Hell Minnesota being allied with like Arizona or whatever.

        Isn’t Hell in Michigan?

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        Let’s turn it around.

        I say violence won’t work.

        Please explain in detail how you see the conflict going. I mean, I’m certain that the same people who couldn’t get past the DNC to get Bernie nominated will have no problem facing off against “military contractors” hired by the billionaire class.

        Details, please.

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          Your point is valid.

          It probably looks like a dystopian novel surveillance state, with drones watching you every time you leave your house (or not). All internet and phone communication would be monitored. And anyone caught saying things the government doesn’t like would suffer consequences.

          With individual events prompting it and happening occasionally regardless of the surveillance state.

          It’d look a lot more like the Irish than the Civil War. It’d be a country of everyone living in fear.

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            Sadly, the best defense we have is the fact that Trump is an idiot surrounded by dolts.

            A competent leader would have locked everything down years ago.

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          Violence works, otherwise there wouldn’t be any. We’ve put up a whole system of laws and police and investigators and courts and prisons in order to provide an alternative to violence. And even then, that system is itself backed up with a real threat of violence as well as its occasional localized deployment.

          Yesterday’s “pep rally” where none of the military leaders dragged in had anything good to say about it suggests that there is not the overwhelming military support that Trump wants there to be. There are plenty of examples of far less powerful local forces successfully standing up to superpowers. Afghanistan is one. Wallachia is another.

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          I can’t remember… Historically how has fascism been defeated? It’s right there, but for the life of me I can’t recall. Can you help?

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            I don’t remember, how many countries in Europe installed Fascist governments after Lenin came in?

            I can cherry pick historical facts too.

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              Cherry picked? A world war is a cherry picked fact? Well now we know your delusions aren’t limited to present issues.

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          I mean, I dread whatever violence is upcoming. But the reality is liberation has never happened with solely nonviolent means. Even King and Ghandi were buttressed by groups that used a variety of tactics, including violence, to force the state to come to the table with them.

          This isn’t to advocate indiscriminate or senseless violence, but if your resistance group is nonviolent, and condemn any violence by other resistance groups, they have severely limited the range of tactics acceptable for use, and cede the power of justified violence to those in power only.

          There’s a good book called “How Nonviolence Protects the State” that goes into depth on this, you should check it out.

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          Hi, my name is ICE, off to a death camp for you, according to me and my paramilitary goon squad who broke into your house/apartment at 3 am.

          Don’t bother arguing, that’s what the gag and spit hood are for.

          Violence is already here.

          Thoughts and prayers are not an effective defense.

          I would suggest either hiding, very, very well, which is probably impossible for most social media addicts who’ve publicized half of their existence, and for morons who think that their VPN isn’t keeping logs that can all be subpoenaed by the government…

          Or maybe some kind of actual local community organizing, involving you know, actually speaking with your neighbors in meatspace, getting to know them, forming at bare minimum a plan for how to deal with say, food shortage, brown out/black out, etc.

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            And what’s the plan?

            Going to start shooting Federal officers in the street?

            Here’s what happens; Federal government shuts down the power to the whole city. Mobilizes the National Guard. Brings in overseas ‘military contractors’ like after Katrina.

            Meanwhile, the 0.001% is at its beach house on Bali.

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              That all happens if you do nothing as well.

              Infact it literally already is happening, half of what you describe as a potential reaction.

              I am not going to give you the plan on an unsecured, publically accessible communication platform, you are a moron for asking for that.

              I, personally, am crippled, and plan to do nothing and remain as close to an unthreatening digital ghost as possible.

              That might, might actually work for me, because I am white, and have never registered as any kind of party affiliated voter, have never given my biometric data to any company or device for any reason, haven’t been on an air flight in 20 years, don’t have any social presence beyond this here psuedonomyous account.

              Maybe you could start your plan with learning some basic opsec.

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          I’m pretty sure we all agree that violence is a bad solution. The problem is we’re all out of good ones. What are the alternatives at this point?

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            Society upholding its part of the social bargain. Making these people feel afraid to express such opinions anymore. Without that long term, even physical violence will only buy temporary change. These people will always return if given the opportunity. And for generations Americans have been taught to tolerate intolerance.

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              I don’t see how we would make them afraid without any implied threat of violence though. Apart from that, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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                Through a threat of non-physical violence. Cutting them off from society. The reason we’re now debating about actual physical violence, about actually killing people. Is because society as a whole failed utterly to do that.

                The last time this happened, the Civil War. Sherman was stopped much too early. As well as reconstruction. The fact that Confederate leadership was just allowed to surrender then allowed back into society with very little reprocussion. Not even to have all their property confiscated to repay for the damage they’d done. Let alone be exiled from the United States itself completely. That open sore was allowed to fester and become celebrated.

                All of which served as an inspiration and a blueprint to the first wave of fascists in the early 20th century. It was all open and tolerated by society. That’s why it returned.

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          So what did Occupy Wall Street accomplish? What about the March for our Lives protests? What about the BLM riots? What did Bernie Sanders winning every single county in the 2016 WV Democrat Primary accomplish?