I wrote in this post that I’m uncomfortaple to argue “genetical[ly] or genealogical[ly]” why people “belong” in some place or another. I think that’s ethno-nationalist reasoning and a “weapon of the enemy” reasoning applies. Even if it’s in favour of Palestinians.

But apparently, that’s “settler-colonialist apologism” for dessalines. Ethno-nationalism is ok if it’s targeting “the right” people, I guess. /s

I think the reasoning of the comment removal is bollocks. Just because I don’t want to argue why someone “belongs” someplace because of their genes, I’m not all of a sudden in favour of settler-colonialism.

  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
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    23 days ago

    exactly the main justification of Zionists forcing a state on the local Palestinians population.

    IDK. That’s at least not the full story, since one main reason that Israel exists is the holocaust. But I don’t want to argue over those details.

    Many Zionists claim that they had has the right to create an ethnostate because of 2000 years old Jewish kingdom and continuous presence in the land while at the same time saying Palestinians are just Arab colonizers that should be transferred to other Arab countries while Israel take all the historical Palestine

    Just because zionists argue with bullshit doesn’t make it any better if you use that bullshit argumentation the other way around. Critizise the bullshit by pointing out that it is in fact bullshit. Not by steeping to the bullshitter’s level.

    • mrdown@lemmy.world
      163·
      23 days ago

      IDK. That’s at least not the full story, since one main reason that Israel exists is the holocaust. But I don’t want to argue over those details.

      Please educate yourself before spewing BS like that. There was no holocaust in 1896 when Herzl talked about forcing a state own Palestinians the local population or during the Belfour declaration . Even if it was true that it was because of the holocaust it’s still BS because a genocide committing by German do not justify stealing lands from people who has nothing to do with the holocust

      Just because Zionists argue with bullshit doesn’t make it any better if you use that bullshit argumentation the other way around. Criticize the bullshit by pointing out that it is in fact bullshit. Not by steeping to the bullshitter’s level.

      It’s not BS to say that Palestinians the local population who are also descendent of the Canaanites and never left that land in response to Zionists advocating that all Palestinians should be kicked out because they claim that they Arab colonizers

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
        67·
        23 days ago

        Please educate yourself before spewing BS like that. There was no holocaust in 1896 when Herzl talked about forcing a state own Palestinians the local population or during the Belfour declaration .

        Israel wasn’t established until 1948. Herzl also proposed Argentinia. The Holocaust was the main trigger that led the UN to greenlight the project Israel.

        Even if it was true that it was because of the holocaust it’s still BS because a genocide committing by German do not justify stealing lands from people who has nothing to do with the holocust

        International politics rarely/never happens because of notionsof justice or fairness, but always out of expedience of the actors involved. It was expedient for the west to establish Israel. Especially for post-war Germany. Look up what Adenauer said about Israel.

        It’s not BS to say that Palestinians the local population who are also descendent of the Canaanites and never left that land in response to Zionists advocating that all Palestinians should be kicked out because they claim that they Arab colonizers

        Where in that argument does genetics come into play?

        • mrdown@lemmy.world
          93·
          23 days ago

          Israel wasn’t established until 1948. Herzl also proposed Argentinia. The Holocaust was the main trigger that led the UN to greenlight the project Israel.

          Why do you keep embarrassing yourself? Herzl ended up picking Palestine in the end. Herzl is referred as the spiritual father of the Jewish State in Israel declaration of independence.

          International politics rarely/never happens because of notions of justice or fairness, but always out of expedience of the actors involved. It was expedient for the west to establish Israel. Especially for post-war Germany. Look up what Adenauer said about Israel.

          This is besides the point. The point is that the justification to steal land for people who had nothing to do with the holocaust is the biggest BS you can spew

          UN decision was based on the reality on the ground in palestine and not the holocust. UN support had zero effect on preventing the creation of israel and helping it creation

          Where in that argument does genetics come into play?

          Genetics provide information’s about a population indigeneity