• Geobloke@aussie.zone
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    Of course, controlling women is easy for these people. But guns create profit and heavens forbid the government was to step between a poor humble manufacturer like H&K (market cap 1.8B euros) And its precious euros?

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      Note the subtle bait-and-switch between the post and the study. The post says “firearms violence” but the study says firearms deaths. The post says “among children” but the study says “among children and adolescents” which they choose to include 19-year-olds.

      This study jumped on a particularly unusual year and was very careful to bucket the demographics and causes of death to produce a desired impression that is not consistent with reality.

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        Nice catch. This was all one big psyop.

        /s

        and was very careful to bucket the demographics and causes of death to produce a desired impression that is not consistent with reality.

        How different from reality? I’m not gonna put a huge difference in effort vs #1 and #2 causes of death. I think car centrism and gun violence are both pretty bad. The study changed my views from not thinking gun violence even on the radar for top causes of death of kids to now seeing it as one of the major causes.

        Also that first paragraph of critique is pretty nitpicky.

        Children -> Children and adolescents

        Deaths by gun violence -> firearm deaths

        This IS subtle lmao. Most people I talk to would not consider those different in casual conversation, and the first part comes from a meme.

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      You see, that’s because there are no good kids with guns. It takes only one good kid with a gun to prevent a shooting by no good kid has a gun so no shootings get prevented.

      And because we live in a world where satire has become almost indistinguishable from reality, this is obviously satire.

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      But when someone says the word children what age range do you think?

      The study categorizes them as 1-19 years old. An 18-19 year old can buy a firearm legally on their own, as well as cigarettes(recently changed to 21), cars, an apartment etc.

      I mean come on at the end of that age range they could have joined the military at age 17, did basic training and had two years of active service in.

      Now don’t get me wrong I don’t want kids (or anyone) to get gunned down in schools, malls, or be lost to suicide. But I feel like if you’re going to yell from the hills that guns are THE leading cause of death of children the stats shouldn’t also include those legally seen as military age adults.

      Maybe I’m wrong though, I plan to dig through the sources a bit later

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        Isn’t the stat usually about “school-aged children”? So that would include people up to 18, and in some cases 19 years old, no?

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        I looked into this a little bit and you have to remove babies in order for gun violence to be highest. So then gun violence is the highest from 1-17 some years, but other years needs to include 18 or 19 year olds in order to be highest.

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          Furthermore, the most often quoted study on this back in covid times (which I’m pretty sure is the one above) was only conducted in 5 or 6 cities; iirc NYC, CHI, LA, BAL, PHI, and maybe HOU(?). Cities known for their gang and drug problems which exacerbate the issue in those areas and inflate the numbers. Including ages 13-19 covers like, most of that gang activity, they recruit as young as elementary school using the kids as runners first and ramping up the violence around those ages. A common trope is that anyone in that life is lucky to make it to 21yo.

          Not to mention, was there anything going on during 2020 when the study was conducted that would possibly alter the true highest cause, car accidents? Maybe something like a global pandemic forcing lockdowns and zoom school meaning kids were in cars less and therefore in car accidents less? Lol something tells me that may have skewed the numbers.

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            I mean I care less about it being #1 than the fact that its so prevalent.

            Just because it falls to #2 doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter anymore lol.

            We still have WAY more gun deaths than your average country and it is enough to be one of the major causes of death of children here. It is enough that some years it becomes the #1 cause of death for children. Thats the take away for me. Especially when you compare to other countries.

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              Well sure but the gang/drug activity that causes the abject most of it isn’t exactly done by 13-17yo kids with legally acquired handguns. Them having the guns is illegal, the guns are usually stolen and passed around, they’re using them to protect themselves from the other dudes nearby who want to steal the territory they use to sell illegal drugs, often someone gets shot in these disputes, and then the gang avenges that dead member, the rivals avenge that avenging, and before you know it some neighborhoods have been on that cycle since the 80s to the point where nobody who was there when it started was even alive but the war continues. Simply making guns “harder to get” doesn’t help, they’re already getting them illegally and won’t be going through the proper channels no matter how hard you make them. Tinfoil hat time: There’s even been suspiscion that the government is even supplying them in some instances (which if you’re aware of Operation Wide Receiver and Operation Fast and Furious, and the accusations they did the same with crack in the 80s with the whole Iran Contra thing, etc, isn’t that hard to believe). Beyond that there’s already over 600,000,000 guns in ~45% of the populations hands that aren’t going anywhere, even if we stopped selling guns tomorrow and stopped the feds from gifting them in hairbrained schemes, all of those would still be here and could still be stolen, used, and sold to a cousin across the country for $150 to be used and moved again, nothing changes except now people who would do it legal now can’t.

              We’d need to address the problems at the root to solve anything, more opportunities for lower income people that don’t involve the life, social programs and such, deal with the wealth inequality, and the general hopelessness which helps make gangs an attractive “solution” (it isn’t one but it looks like it might be before they join) to the problem (and all that would likely help mass/school shootings too), and the controversial one: make drugs somewhat legal to use/buy and undercut their sales, sell pure safe® stuff at a good price and something like safe injection sites and encourage AA/NA or equivalent. Sure, all of that sounds harder than getting rid of the guns (tbh I’d argue it’s easier actually, both are hard as fuck though), but it still needs to be done to solve anything.

              “Making guns harder to buy” in theory is good too, but often falls apart with “how specifically.” Often suggested or even implemented ideas boil down to meaningless feature bans, as if it’s impossible to shoot someone with a fixed stock instead of an adjustable. Those will never accomplish anything besides securing votes from people who know little enough about it to believe they’re effective while not actually solving anything so you can run on the same platform next election. Other common ideas are often too easy to abuse. “Mental health checks” are in this category, how long before that gets turned around on trans people? Turns out, before we even have it for cis people lol. Thankfully gun rights groups (namely FPC and oddly the NRA, and the SRA followed later) spoke out against this and I think it won’t happen. Safe storage is cool to a point, but people still need to be able to access one quickly in case of a break in and as anyone who watches LPL knows the quick access safes are a joke. Other forms of making them harder to buy, so far, have been historically racially motivated and used as such. North Carolina recently repealed one such 104 year old Jim Crow era law requiring one to apply for a permit (granted by the Sheriff) to buy a handgun, turns out 60% of denials were to black people. Carry permits in that state and others are still used in a similar way, while being harder to deny in shall issue states they put more stringent requirements that are often overpoliced in marginalized black neighborhoods like conviction for possession of drugs (including marijuana) within X years (typically 3-5). Furthermore, with the overpolicing of those neighborhoods and the tendency to over charge black men for crimes, any laws criminalizing possession or carry of firearms disproportionately affects them, basically, laws are enforced harder and more often in Watts than Beverly Hills and this is no exception.

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    Honestly, with firearm related accidental deaths being a cause here a change us americans could push for is proper gun safes and security. Just like how we should secure harsh cleaning chemicals, pharmacuticals, and sharp objects.

    More adolecents should be trained on firearm safety, maybe even like how STI campaigns are run in order to counteract the “sex appeal” that is pushed in our media as well.

    Unfortunetly I don’t see either totally addressing deaths of despair, it could buy the kid more time if copuled with added safty measures (i.e. a childs safty cap isnt going to stop a teen from opening it). This also applies to interteen violence that drives the number.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10249597/

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    If they took away everyone’s guns, they would remove any justification they have to using theirs on you

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      Cops down under still have guns and use them occasionally. Don’t give these cunts any ideas. We need a way to defend ourselves.

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        People have preached gun control for decades to deaf ears of government here in the USA. The morons in charge today are too dumb to change that

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    Well no, they are focused on pushing a bs supplement they financially benefit from.

    You can’t really tell what came first, the love of money or the love of dead mothers & children.
    (Either way they support & actively maintain it tho.)

    Like with racism towards black folk (of which early start of that particular version isn’t even fully USA based, but the forcefully mixed nationalities under one coloured word is most dominant there).
    The financial/power/greed component of oppressing a minority is just so strong that one true racist might ask themselves if the extreme racism is even truly racist for the right reasons. (sarcasm!!!)

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    It’s not even like you need to ban guns, you can still hunt or shoot targets with a shotgun or nonautomatic rifle, but what you can’t do is spray into a crowd or pull out concealed pistol and shoot someone.

    The cops get less antsy as they’ll be able to see if you have a gun, mass shootings go down as you can’t shoot as fast and people have longer to cover/disperse, and yet you can still do the vast majority of legitimate things with them.

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      Automatic riles are already illegal under the NFA, with only 1980’s and older examples allowed for sale at all with extensive background testing and $200 tax stamps. Since the supply of old automatic guns is small, they cost tens of thousands of dollars and as such just aren’t used in crimes.

      Cops don’t get less antsy when they know you have a gun, they get more antsy. It’s because of “us vs. them” warrior cop culture that tells cops everyone not a cop can and will kill them, and that they need to fight to survive every day. It’s dangerous bullshit.

      Also, concealed carry for self defense is also a significant legitimate thing people do with guns, you are just characterizing hunting and target shooting as the only “legitimate” things to do with guns.

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      Matricide -> A mother being killed by her own children.

      Maternal death -> A woman dying due to pregnancy or giving birth.

      I guess the post meant ‘Homicide is the leading cause of death in pregnant woman.’