“leave me alone” is often freeloaders. Like, “I want to benefit from society, from roads and the Internet and medical research and fire departments, but I don’t want to pay my share”. Very few people actually live off the grid
The standard that “you must be in total exhile to not be a freeloader” is clearly totalitarian, because A) if we apply the same absolutism to the other categories we get the idea that the first group must all care absolutely and about the exact right “meaningful” things (which is clearly not true), and that the Shameless group must equally be absolute in their evil, and can have no redeeming facts.
And because B) even using the term “freeloader” is totalitarian.
Not only are their people who societies exist in order to support and have “freeload” on them, such as orphans, the disabled, the elderly, babies, children, the poor and incapable, the uneducated and deprived. The huddled masses.
But also because: everyone makes some contribution. It’s impossible to exist in society and not. Whether it’s artistic, spiritual, intellectual, consumer based, no matter how minor, be it buying shampoo and thus contributing to GDP and taxes, or making someone think via a comment… Or wearing a lovely outfit on the street…
Human existence is a contribution.
So I disagree with your outlook, I think it’s totalitarian, anti-humanist, and ugly. I disagree with anyone who uses terms like loser or “freeloader”, and I concede that even people I strongly disagree with, are still contributing in their small humanistic and social ways (which all people naturally have).
So I’m not sure you understand the meaning of human society. Why it is, and how it inevitably will continue to be. Where ever we are, it is - “freeloaders” most definitely included.
P.S By the way, most poets, artists, actors, and comedians - cultural workers that is to say - are unemployed bums and “freeloaders”. There is no humanity without them. Stop demonizing the poor and people who just want to be left alone.
You misunderstood what I meant, so I must have communicated badly.
I meant, people who often say “leave me alone” are “libertarian” types who want to benefit from society without contributing as they’re able (with money or labor). Think of the kind of guy who says “leave me alone! I don’t want to pay taxes for some school. I don’t even have kids.” They benefit from public education, but they don’t see it that way, and they’d rather keep that 20% of their paycheck than have a fire department. I wouldn’t call a baby a “freeloader” because they’re not really capable of doing much. It’s when people can contribute but selfishly and self-destructively choose not to that I’m scornful.
In other words, when someone says their politics are “leave me alone” I am very suspicious of their understanding of society. They want the privileges of society without the obligations, typically.
don’t come up to my table when I am studying, snatch what I am working on and run away…
don’t bang/kick on my door when you only intend to run away…
don’t steal stuff from my bag/locker/whatever container legally marked as mine…
don’t, when you randomly see me walking on the road, minding my own business, come and beat me up or try to frame me for some random crime that you made up…
… just to then say, “oh! I’m just trying to make friends”.
If that is how you (whoever that is) make friends, leave me alone. I don’t want to be made into your “friend”.
I don’t think I’ve encountered any of those behaviors, except maybe rarely in like middle school. Those are not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace.
not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace
Of course they aren’t.
But you require that kind of experience to create a person that would go “leave me alone” with the pitiful tone of someone who has had to decrease their expectations from life more than what is commonplace.
And of course, even for a middle-schooler, that won’t be enough.
On top of that you will require that whenever they were to try to complain to the teacher about it, they then would have to be told off instead of being helped. Because you are “not supposed to study in the study room during the afternoon rest time”, even though you will not get to sleep either, because others are wrestling around in the dormitory.
That’s fair, sorry I assumed the worst from the language I used. Weathy Libertarian Freeloaders …i suppose I understand the term being applied to them.
Selfish nihilists is what I call them, values-free economic nihilists.
“leave me alone” is often freeloaders. Like, “I want to benefit from society, from roads and the Internet and medical research and fire departments, but I don’t want to pay my share”. Very few people actually live off the grid
The standard that “you must be in total exhile to not be a freeloader” is clearly totalitarian, because A) if we apply the same absolutism to the other categories we get the idea that the first group must all care absolutely and about the exact right “meaningful” things (which is clearly not true), and that the Shameless group must equally be absolute in their evil, and can have no redeeming facts.
And because B) even using the term “freeloader” is totalitarian.
Not only are their people who societies exist in order to support and have “freeload” on them, such as orphans, the disabled, the elderly, babies, children, the poor and incapable, the uneducated and deprived. The huddled masses.
But also because: everyone makes some contribution. It’s impossible to exist in society and not. Whether it’s artistic, spiritual, intellectual, consumer based, no matter how minor, be it buying shampoo and thus contributing to GDP and taxes, or making someone think via a comment… Or wearing a lovely outfit on the street…
Human existence is a contribution.
So I disagree with your outlook, I think it’s totalitarian, anti-humanist, and ugly. I disagree with anyone who uses terms like loser or “freeloader”, and I concede that even people I strongly disagree with, are still contributing in their small humanistic and social ways (which all people naturally have).
So I’m not sure you understand the meaning of human society. Why it is, and how it inevitably will continue to be. Where ever we are, it is - “freeloaders” most definitely included.
P.S By the way, most poets, artists, actors, and comedians - cultural workers that is to say - are unemployed bums and “freeloaders”. There is no humanity without them. Stop demonizing the poor and people who just want to be left alone.
You misunderstood what I meant, so I must have communicated badly.
I meant, people who often say “leave me alone” are “libertarian” types who want to benefit from society without contributing as they’re able (with money or labor). Think of the kind of guy who says “leave me alone! I don’t want to pay taxes for some school. I don’t even have kids.” They benefit from public education, but they don’t see it that way, and they’d rather keep that 20% of their paycheck than have a fire department. I wouldn’t call a baby a “freeloader” because they’re not really capable of doing much. It’s when people can contribute but selfishly and self-destructively choose not to that I’m scornful.
In other words, when someone says their politics are “leave me alone” I am very suspicious of their understanding of society. They want the privileges of society without the obligations, typically.
When I say “leave me alone”, I mean:
… just to then say, “oh! I’m just trying to make friends”.
If that is how you (whoever that is) make friends, leave me alone. I don’t want to be made into your “friend”.
I don’t think I’ve encountered any of those behaviors, except maybe rarely in like middle school. Those are not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace.
Then check your privilege before judging those who experience this kind of stuff.
Of course they aren’t.
But you require that kind of experience to create a person that would go “leave me alone” with the pitiful tone of someone who has had to decrease their expectations from life more than what is commonplace.
And of course, even for a middle-schooler, that won’t be enough.
On top of that you will require that whenever they were to try to complain to the teacher about it, they then would have to be told off instead of being helped. Because you are “not supposed to study in the study room during the afternoon rest time”, even though you will not get to sleep either, because others are wrestling around in the dormitory.
That’s fair, sorry I assumed the worst from the language I used. Weathy Libertarian Freeloaders …i suppose I understand the term being applied to them.
Selfish nihilists is what I call them, values-free economic nihilists.