Its in moments like these that I really appreciate non corporate social media. Everywhere outside the fediverse all I see is people freaking out, acting like this is the first shooting to ever happen in the united states. Even supposed leftists are just like “I don’t agree with the man but no one deserves to get killed over their beliefs”.
They seem to have forgotten that people get killed over way dumber shit all the time. Personally I care about all the other shootings a lot more than this one. Especially the school shooting in Colorado that happened the same afternoon, which is being mostly ignored.
There are even lots of comments that condemn anyone making light of his death, or even just making comments about his politics. This dissent they condemn is almost nowhere to be found though, because algorithms bury it all straight to the bottom. The only opinion allowed to be seen is “I’m horrified look at me”.
Coming back to a place where a real discussion can be had makes me realize just how important this project really is. We need more spaces that we truly own.
I keep seeing this post go around on “leftist” Instagram pages saying “gun violence doesn’t care about ideology”. It’s objectively true when it’s talking about innocent children killed in Gaza or a school shooting, but pretending Charlie Kirk is an innocent bystander is so disrespectful. This was a dude who said black people were better as slaves. If he hadn’t been spouting that bullshit he wouldn’t have met this end.
I wish I could chalk it up to just corporate owned platforms, but I feel a lot of it is a lot of people who say they are leftists not understanding where we’re at or who we was.
Sure. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve it. In a just world he would be tried and hanged. Unfortunately we do not live in a just world. Best we get is “those who live by the sword will die by the sword.”
Even supposed leftists are just like “I don’t agree with the man but no one deserves to get killed over their beliefs”.
Because corporate social media usually disallows VPNS/Tor and people who use those are probably not using any anonyminization. Its a very bad idea to say “LOL DESERVED IT” since the feds can break down your door.
This why why every left-of-center politician “condemns” it, even if deep inside, they are secretly celebrating it.
This is mentioned in DeathNote (I’m not glorifying any of the characters btw), Light said that in real life, people would always condemn extrajudicial killings because its a social norm/expectation to condem it, but if given anonymity (and without the censorship, of course), they would reveal their true feelings. Hence, Lemmy (for the left), 4chan (for the right). Reddit censored all those comments, which is why you don’t see them.
IRL, admitting to enjoying a someone’s death (excluding enemy combatants) could land you in involuntary commitment, lands you on top of government watchlists, they could send their goons to harass you. That’s why you should never admit to it when on a non-anoynous account, and never say that IRL.
It’s hard to celebrate knowing that this only will radicalize the fascist fuckwits. I too relvel in the irony of this guys own words, but the crackdown that is going to follow upon people on the left side of extreme right, on transgenders and on the unfortunate I mourn more than anything today.
This dumb fuck is going to be a martyr for dumb fucks and I already hate it.
Personally I doubt most of these people are genuinely worried about being harassed by the state for publicizing those beliefs. In some cases maybe they should be worried, but in reality I think most of them are more concerned with social pressures.
If you voice those opinions, hordes of people will attack you for it. And that’s a product of both wide spread conservatism influencing real peoples view of the situation, and social media platforms actively crushing dissent and pushing the narrative that aligns with their interests.
In all likelihood my comments, despite being made with no vpn or tor, will never result in any action taken against me. That’s simply because I don’t pose any material threat to the state or its power. America maintains its illusion of freedom by explicitly allowing dissent, as long as it doesn’t have teeth. I am simply not worth the trouble.
This why why every left-of-center politician “condemns” it, even if deep inside, they are secretly celebrating it.
I think the vast majority of them actually do condemn it, but it’s the real reason that’s bad: The lives of the elites themselves are not supposed to be in play when they get the regular people to kill each other.
Its in moments like these that I really appreciate non corporate social media. Everywhere outside the fediverse all I see is people freaking out, acting like this is the first shooting to ever happen in the united states. Even supposed leftists are just like “I don’t agree with the man but no one deserves to get killed over their beliefs”.
They seem to have forgotten that people get killed over way dumber shit all the time. Personally I care about all the other shootings a lot more than this one. Especially the school shooting in Colorado that happened the same afternoon, which is being mostly ignored.
There are even lots of comments that condemn anyone making light of his death, or even just making comments about his politics. This dissent they condemn is almost nowhere to be found though, because algorithms bury it all straight to the bottom. The only opinion allowed to be seen is “I’m horrified look at me”.
Coming back to a place where a real discussion can be had makes me realize just how important this project really is. We need more spaces that we truly own.
I keep seeing this post go around on “leftist” Instagram pages saying “gun violence doesn’t care about ideology”. It’s objectively true when it’s talking about innocent children killed in Gaza or a school shooting, but pretending Charlie Kirk is an innocent bystander is so disrespectful. This was a dude who said black people were better as slaves. If he hadn’t been spouting that bullshit he wouldn’t have met this end.
I wish I could chalk it up to just corporate owned platforms, but I feel a lot of it is a lot of people who say they are leftists not understanding where we’re at or who we was.
I don’t believe it was deserved, but it wasn’t surprising and I’m certainly not upset it happened. He lived by the gun and died by the gun.
Of course it was deserved. We hanged people at Nuremberg for doing the exact same thing Kirk spent his whole life doing.
Yes, after the Nuremberg Trials. We didn’t just execute them without due process.
Sure. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve it. In a just world he would be tried and hanged. Unfortunately we do not live in a just world. Best we get is “those who live by the sword will die by the sword.”
Well, “deserve” is highly subjective. More than likely I would agree with some interpretations and not with others.
All of these people have rapist mentalities. They deserve it
Because corporate social media usually disallows VPNS/Tor and people who use those are probably not using any anonyminization. Its a very bad idea to say “LOL DESERVED IT” since the feds can break down your door.
This why why every left-of-center politician “condemns” it, even if deep inside, they are secretly celebrating it.
This is mentioned in DeathNote (I’m not glorifying any of the characters btw), Light said that in real life, people would always condemn extrajudicial killings because its a social norm/expectation to condem it, but if given anonymity (and without the censorship, of course), they would reveal their true feelings. Hence, Lemmy (for the left), 4chan (for the right). Reddit censored all those comments, which is why you don’t see them.
IRL, admitting to enjoying a someone’s death (excluding enemy combatants) could land you in involuntary commitment, lands you on top of government watchlists, they could send their goons to harass you. That’s why you should never admit to it when on a non-anoynous account, and never say that IRL.
It’s hard to celebrate knowing that this only will radicalize the fascist fuckwits. I too relvel in the irony of this guys own words, but the crackdown that is going to follow upon people on the left side of extreme right, on transgenders and on the unfortunate I mourn more than anything today.
This dumb fuck is going to be a martyr for dumb fucks and I already hate it.
Personally I doubt most of these people are genuinely worried about being harassed by the state for publicizing those beliefs. In some cases maybe they should be worried, but in reality I think most of them are more concerned with social pressures.
If you voice those opinions, hordes of people will attack you for it. And that’s a product of both wide spread conservatism influencing real peoples view of the situation, and social media platforms actively crushing dissent and pushing the narrative that aligns with their interests.
In all likelihood my comments, despite being made with no vpn or tor, will never result in any action taken against me. That’s simply because I don’t pose any material threat to the state or its power. America maintains its illusion of freedom by explicitly allowing dissent, as long as it doesn’t have teeth. I am simply not worth the trouble.
I think the vast majority of them actually do condemn it, but it’s the real reason that’s bad: The lives of the elites themselves are not supposed to be in play when they get the regular people to kill each other.
let’s not forget that light was a psychopath
Psychopaths sometimes utter words that turns out to be right
its stunning how different the conversations are here as opposed to reddit where everything is so damn censored and controlled.
It feels nice to be able to authentically respond without getting banned for some random bullshit.
Totally. Fb is an absolutely cesspool right now as is reddit.